Are you ready for NEXT GEN?

There won't be a true next-gen ever again at least not when it comes to Sony and Microsoft consoles.

ps4.5 and xbone.5counts and current. Therefore this thread is just a yes or no question

I would defenitely be up for a next gen console for apps like the hololens from microsoft.

Hell no. I want real xbox2s and PS5s in a few years and they need to be more that 4 times the power of current gen. 8x power or so would let them do 4K well.

14 Tflop APUs isn't going to be feasible in a home console until like 2019 - 2020. I don't want to wait that long for improved hardware. I'll be just satisfied with the rumored PS4 Neo and Xbox Scorpio specs.

I'm ready for a bacon double cheeseburger and a fat glass of water.

6 TFLOPS is 4.55X over Xbox One's 1.32 TFLOPS.

8X over 1.32 TFLOPS yields 10.56 TFLOPS.

This. It looks like we're moving past this generational reset we've seen in the past.

As for whether I'm on board with these upgraded consoles (Neo/Scorpio), as long as original owners don't get shafted and all my current games carry over to future consoles (which is what MS/Spencer have been saying with the UWP), then I'm ok with it.

I'm not really into the idea of having upgraded versions just for better performances and I don't consider them next gen to be honest.

At this point, you may as well buy a PC and upgrade that instead...

Neo is upgraded console but Scorpion is new console. 4 time more powerful than Xbox One. Next gen begins in 2017

Last gen was way too long, it felt like it would never end. I like the idea of console upgrades and it only costs about the same as a decent GPU upgrade. I don't know why MS would release a completely new console next year though, they must not be happy with the One.

Scorpio is similar to NEO's ZEN Lite LP with Polaris 10 36 CU combo, but with higher clock speed.

For example

Scorpio's Polaris 10 36 at 1266 Mhz = 5.83 TFLOPS. 1300 Mhz clock speed is 6 TFLOPS

NEO's Polaris 10 36 at 911 Mhz = 4.19 TFLOPS.

Microsoft's Scorpio could have higher TDP handling than PS4 style smaller box.

It's most likely that MS and Sony has similar 8 core ZEN Lite LP + Polaris 10 combo offerings from AMD. It's up to MS and Sony to set the TDP limits and cooling solutions for their box.

We dont even truly know what the ps4.5 or the Xone equivalent is, yet there are people thinking this is the end of console gens? Lol, this board really cracks me up with its amount of raw stupidity.

No, they are both going to be iterative consoles, Scorpio will just be a little more powerful than the Neo. Xbox Scropio will be 100% BC with original XB1 games and Microsoft won't stop supporting the OG XB1 anytime soon. I can guarantee you that the Scorpio won't get exclusives that XB1 owners won't be able to play.

Please watch this video.

Do you think Microsoft could aim for a TDP of 160 - 170 watts max while also making the Scorpio slightly smaller than the OG XB1? I know Microsoft was being extra cautious with the XB1's form factor as the PS4 proves you can have a console smaller while being more powerful.

its to early to say if I'm ready i'll let you know in a 2 years lol

@emgesp: Yep, well said.

@emgesp: Well the OG fat ps3 used up to 200w, so it's definitely possible

Without 32MB ESRAM and with XBO's chip size budget, XBO could have 28 CU GPU. XBO has the larger SoC when compared to PS4's SoC.

Th next round doesn't have GDDR5 capacity road map issue, hence Microsoft can allocate most of SoC's chip budget on GPU.

Xbox 360 Launch edition's power consumption reached 170 watts.

Phil Spencer wants a large performance jump over XBO and 6 TFLOPS seems to fit that vision.

7870's cooling solution

Xbox One's cooling solution

PS4's cooling solution is similar to a typical GPU reference cooler.

If they drop esram then would they have to use HBM in its place? How would they manage 100% BC with older XB1 titles without a memory frame buffer?

Not buying another ps4 for framerates, but I don't have an xone... So if I choose to get one, if indeed if is more powerful, I'll now play everything multiplat on an xone, which I had not planned on...

Thank you Sony?

I'm not sure. I'm interested in seeing what Neo and Scopio are going to offer, but I'll need to wait till after E3 to be able to say if I want it.

Its going to offer a superior experience with all future games when they get released. If Scorpio specs are indeed legit then all those 900p XB1 games would hit 1080p on the Scorpio with ease.

HBM is not built on the main SoC, hence it doesn't affect SoC's yield percentage.

Smaller chip has better chip yields.

Polaris 10 (GPU, MCH) = 232 mm^2

Summit Ridge (8 core ZEN, NB, SB, MCH) = 122 mm^2

SoC total size: 354 mm^2

Xbox One's SoC total size: 363 mm^2

There's a possibility that Scorpio's setup would be DDR4 and HBM combo.

Scorpio's version would be the lower cost version e.g. 8 core ZEN Lite LP + Polaris 10 combo.

Workstation/Server APU version is a monster i.e. 16 ZEN cores + Greenland(aka Vega)

SK Hynix's GDDR5 vs HBM vs HBM2 side by side comparison

@emgesp: Well yeah, I know that. But if they're just going to run the same games, I'm not sure if I care enough to upgrade. Sony and MS need to sell me on them.

I think it all comes down to the price to performance ratio. I mean if you can sell your current gen PS4 and get like $200 credit to put towards the Neo which most likely will cost $399.99 tops I think it'd be worth it for a 2.3x bump in power.

I'm so exited, I just can't hide it, I'm about to lose control and I think I like it. lol :P

Yes as long as it's 100% X1 BC, bring it on baby !!

Agreed.

I think this is the hardest console upgrade choice we've ever been given. From what we "know" of the two, Scorpio is likely better than Neo, but we know Neo will share our current PS4 games.

We can assume that Scorpio will also share X1 and possibly even 360 games, given the lengths they've gone to get BC on X1, especially given Phil's past talks on the subject, but unlike Neo, we can't say for certain.

On the other hand, X1 has the flaw of now releasing all it's games on PC, so the question then becomes, if interested in the Scorpio, would you be better off just spending that same money on upgrading your PC? Could you get a PC with the same or better specs of a Scorpio for the same price? (I'm not up to date on PC parts pricing, but 6 Terraflops sounds like it could be expensive)

Same with Neo, is it really worth upgrading from the PS4, instead of upgrading a PC for the same price, you can still play the small handfull of PS exclusives on the PS4, but you can also then get all PC exclusives and have the best versions of most multiplats.

Both Sony and MS absolutely have to get the pricing right with these, or they'll risk annoying too many people and sending them over to PC.

This is why I'm a pc gamer. All these new consoles and suddenly ur old games don't work on the new one and digital games down tranfer. I'm glad i got out of that mess after i made the mistake of buying over $200 in digital games on the ps3 to realize the ps4 supports none or it and i lost all that money. No mas.

No way! Not for another 7 years at least.

Nope, going to stay with the PS4 for a while.

I am ready for next gen! Bring on NX, Neo and Scorpio. Gen 9, I will own you.

Next gen can kiss my ass.

Ummm, these new consoles will be able to play OG PS4/XB1 games and your digital purchases will be carried over. Did you not research these upgrades at all before posting that comment?

This gen has barely started lol, MS, Sony, Nintendo really milking the shit out of consolites.

2019 should be next gen for real upgraded hardware. maybe 2018 at the earliest. A slim model is fine for now but not a new gen.

No

I see no reason why the hell Sony and Microsoft can't squeeze another 2-3 years out of the current gen systems (Nintendo has already gone the way of the dodo bird as far as I'm concerned, especially with the shitastic rumors that are running rampant about the NX).

Naughty Dog just showed what the PS4 is capable of in terms of graphical prowess, so I'm not understanding why in the hell visuals would be some sort of issue. And I've never been a big proponent of gimmicky shit like motion sensored gaming or the premise of virtual reality...so what's the deal here?

@emgesp: doesn't help my situation with the ps3 to ps4 loss i dealt with lol. Also, how do u know for a fact whats sony and Microsoft are gonna release. Who knows officially what is gonna come out. No one. Thats who. Are u basing ur research on Internet rumors? Shame on you lol. I base my shit on facts not Internet rumors.

@emgesp: also, does that mean the Neo will play all my old ps3, ps2, and ps1 titles too? Cuz that's what I'm getting at. Tired of buying a new console and leaving all my old ones behind. Hence why i say I'm a pc gamer. Not only do i play current games, but my catalog goes all the way back to dos games. Then to fill in my console needs i have emulators for nes, snes, sega genesis, gameboy advanced, ps1, ps2, ps3, gsmecube, and the wii.....oh and a bunch of arcade gsmes too. Console just can't conpare to this.

yes I'm ready for next gen consoles.