Are you surprised that LBP isnt selling like it should?

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#1 Lionslove360
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Fable 2 is killing LBP in sales. Why do you think Fable 2 is selling at basically a 4-1 compared to LBP? Also I know its not official, but you know this is where the numbers are going. Why do you think LBP which is a great game isnt selling that well?
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#2 Broman6015
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LBP's launch was messed up. Most people couldn't find the game until the 28th, where as Fable 2 came out when it was supposed to on the 21st.
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#3 Lionslove360
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LBP's launch was messed up. Most people couldn't find the game until the 28th, where as Fable 2 came out when it was supposed to on the 21st.Broman6015

thats a good point. Didnt think of that.

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#4 too_much_eslim
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lol at you thinking LBP would sell more than Fable 2 or even being comparable. the first Fable sold close to 3 million. Did you really think a new ip like LBP stood a chance against it. Then you have take in consideration of the messed up launch. Game is going to bomb hard. Once Resistance 2 and Gears 2 come out nobody is even going to think of LBP anymore.
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#5 ULTIMATEZWARRIO
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Fable is proven so there is no surprise there, but LBP, i know the reason why i didn't get it is because 1. no one could tell me what the point of the game was until the reviews came out, and when i asked people, they would just say it is fun (this is pre-release). 2. it just seems not too complicated (as in, i feel as though gameplay would be easy all the time)
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#6 lightlink7
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LBP's launch was messed up. Most people couldn't find the game until the 28th, where as Fable 2 came out when it was supposed to on the 21st.Broman6015

This and maybe because of the fact its not being advertised properly, I'm in the UK and I've seen no form of advertisement at all for LBP.

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#7 Eltroz
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I am not shocked at all. They will look at it and while sackboy is cute he is also kiddy looking. There will be the type of people that hang on websites like this that will know what the game is like but in the scope of things that is a small number compared to the amount of people that buy games.
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#8 delta3074
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LBP's launch was messed up. Most people couldn't find the game until the 28th, where as Fable 2 came out when it was supposed to on the 21st.Broman6015
fable 2 was released on the 24th, but, i myself am suprised lbp is not selling as well as fable 2, i'm playing fable 2 and its good but nothing spectacular
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#9 CreepyBacon
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Because your average joe does not care about creating levels.

Why people thought this would appeal to casuals, all cause it's got some stupid potato sack man on it i don't know. There casual, not completely stupid.

Where as flip the coin you have Fable 2, EXTREMELY easy to get to grips on, VERY simple, hell even the magic doesn't have Mana, you can just spam it. It's designed for the casual RPG player and it sucks in the "hardcore" as well, it was always going to happen it's just to many people in here fool themselves into thinking SW = Real life.

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#10 AdmiralDan
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The game just doesn't appeal to that many people. For all the talk about it being the new casual game, I know I don't waat to play any 2d side scroller that doesn't have a plumber in it any more, and only that is for nostalgic reasons. There are much more fun gametypes and experiences to have instead of playing through a 2d God of War level as Sackboy Kratos.

EDIT: especially when your Sackboy CANNOT attack at all. What a lame design desicion.

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#11 TBoogy
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Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.
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#12 Lidve
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Planescape Torment

Grim Fandango etc.

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Games that are awesome and considered one of best games ever made - yet they dont sell well

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#14 Fawlcon_Pawnch
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Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.TBoogy

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

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#15 BioShockOwnz
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It truly saddens me. We need LBP to do well. It's nice to get new & fresh IP's so well created, so if this bombs, it'll hurt the industry a little bit, imho. Although, I'm glad Fable 2's doing well. I just wish LBP could pick up in sales.
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#16 Fawlcon_Pawnch
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Planescape Torment

Grim Fandango etc.

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Games that are awesome and considered one of best games ever made - yet they dont sell well

Lidve

I just installed Grim Fandango yesterday :D

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#17 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.Fawlcon_Pawnch

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

SO every platformer is expected to sell as well as Mario? I mean are you really listening to your yourself. Name another platformer over the past 5 years that sold 1-2 million copies
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#18 Shafftehr
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This is how a cutesey niche game that's a new IP on a self-styled "hardcore" console should sell. Both Viva Pinatas were excellent, but they weren't record breakers... LBP never had a chance to sell in the same ballpark as a game like Fable - good game or no, it's just a poor fit for a blockbuster.
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#19 hopesfall2own
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copy paste from earlier post by me:

No one on these boards seemed to come to terms that people outside of gaming forums had no interest or little knowledge about LBP, no one listened. Sony's commercials didnt tell what the game was about, so people outside of the niche market ignored it. Pretty obvious it was going to end up this way.
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#20 too_much_eslim
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It truly saddens me. We need LBP to do well. It's nice to get new & fresh IP's so well created, so if this bombs, it'll hurt the industry a little bit, imho. Although, I'm glad Fable 2's doing well. I just wish LBP could pick up in sales.BioShockOwnz
SHould blames all those casual owners that have a wii and also blame Sony for losing that casual market. Also messing up the launch was a big thing too.
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#21 TBoogy
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[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.Fawlcon_Pawnch

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

Nintendo fans are a different breed.
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#22 Eltroz
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[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.Fawlcon_Pawnch

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

HUGE difference.

1- Mario is a icon in games. Sackboy is not.It will be harder to sell a unknown that looks like a cute kiddy stuffed animal then Mario where everyone knows about.

2-Wii is more the family console where those games work better. PS3 will have a more hardcore gamer crowd overall. Much harder to sell a unknown cute sackboy on a PS3 i think.

I agree when Nintendo's Reggie said LBP would have done better on the Wii. Since the crowd would fit better.

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#23 Fawlcon_Pawnch
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[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.too_much_eslim

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

SO every platformer is expected to sell as well as Mario? I mean are you really listening to your yourself. Name another platformer over the past 5 years that sold 1-2 million copies

He said "doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore."

Do i need to explain my post?

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#24 Lionslove360
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I can honestly say Im very surprised, but in reading what all of you well informed gamers have said, I have to agree. Its a great game, and I love Fable 2 as well, but just am really surprised.

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#26 dr-venkman
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The game's only been out for 3 days. And my local EB was sold out when I picked mine up (I had a preorder) There is a slight possibility that people are jumping the gun here when saying it's a sales flop when it really hasn't had time to sell (Again, 3 days) Xmas hasn't even arrived yet either. Still, doesn't mean it's going to eventually sell.
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#27 Fawlcon_Pawnch
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[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.TBoogy

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

Nintendo fans are a different breed.

Its wasnt just Nintendo fans buying Mario Galaxy

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#28 JediRiff
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I hate to say it, but you might see Fable 2's numbers dipping ALOT here soon.... if they dont get a patch out and fix some major, major problems. It will not be going back in my Xbox until they do, because I dont want it crashing another console on me. Yep, you heard me right.
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#29 Lionslove360
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The game's only been out for 3 days. And my local EB was sold out when I picked mine up (I had a preorder) There is a slight possibility that people are jumping the gun here when saying it's a sales flop when it really hasn't had time to sell (Again, 3 days) Xmas hasn't even arrived yet either. Still, doesn't mean it's going to eventually sell. dr-venkman

I think it will sell, but I do think its going to be less than expected. Shame really.

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#30 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.Fawlcon_Pawnch

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

SO every platformer is expected to sell as well as Mario? I mean are you really listening to your yourself. Name another platformer over the past 5 years that sold 1-2 million copies

He said "doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore."

Do i need to explain my post?

so one popular game sells well that means the genre is popular? Do you seriously not understand.
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#31 Stoner-Pimp
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TBH i'm not surprized at all, after playing the game a lot over a 2 week peroid (UK tour) it's just a decent game and not a system seller/super popular type game like a lot of people were making it out to be, it just won't appeal to a massive user base IMO, it is a shame though as even though i don't have a PS3 i still feel it is a decent (not fantastic) game.
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#32 Fawlcon_Pawnch
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[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.too_much_eslim

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

SO every platformer is expected to sell as well as Mario? I mean are you really listening to your yourself. Name another platformer over the past 5 years that sold 1-2 million copies

He said "doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore."

Do i need to explain my post?

so one popular game sells well that means the genre is popular? Do you seriously not understand.

Who said it was popular? I used Galaxy as an example that people do want platformers but the genre has been, in general, so uninspiring over the last years that most devs dont have ambition when making them.

If good platformers start rolling out with proper budget, ambition and advertisement (like Galaxy) people will buy.

With that said, i think LBP wasnt advertised properly, its a new IP and it needed a much more agressive marketing strategy behind it, with Sackboy toys and all.

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#33 Thrice_III
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I think this is the type of game that won't explode in sales at the start, merely because an advertising campaign will have a hard time selling the game, apart from showing Sackboy doing cute things.

Word of mouth will spread the sales of this game. I don't expect this game to have any record breaking weeks but it should sell pretty well over a longer period of time as more people try it and get addicted to it. (because it is a wonderful game)

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#34 dr-venkman
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[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]Some of us tried to warn you this would happen. doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore. and the "creating" part is not interesting to everyone. it will not be a big seller.too_much_eslim

6.10 million seller Mario Galaxy says hi.

SO every platformer is expected to sell as well as Mario? I mean are you really listening to your yourself. Name another platformer over the past 5 years that sold 1-2 million copies

He said "doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore."

Do i need to explain my post?

so one popular game sells well that means the genre is popular? Do you seriously not understand.

From reading the above posts, I'm quite sure you're the one not understanding here.
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#35 SexySasquatch11
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The games a physics engine wrapped around a level editor. Nothing amazing to me, but I'll wait till I play it before passing my judgement.

P.S. I don't think "casuals" like to sit for hours creating complex levels.

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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] SO every platformer is expected to sell as well as Mario? I mean are you really listening to your yourself. Name another platformer over the past 5 years that sold 1-2 million copiesdr-venkman

He said "doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore."

Do i need to explain my post?

so one popular game sells well that means the genre is popular? Do you seriously not understand.

From reading the above posts, I'm quite sure you're the one not understanding here.

Dude its mario. everyone knows about mario. Mario on the box sells games. Mario selling isn't surprising. what the guy said was right. it doesn't matter how good the platformer is it isn't going to sell. Obviously unless mario is on the box.
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[QUOTE="Broman6015"]LBP's launch was messed up. Most people couldn't find the game until the 28th, where as Fable 2 came out when it was supposed to on the 21st.AvIdGaMeR444

Damage control. Do you really think Halo 3 wouldn't have sold as well if the launch was messed up and postponed 1 week? People would be mad about it, sure. But it certainly wouldn't make people skip out on the game as a result.

And so what if Fable 2 came out first? It is on a different platform altogether. Notice how Halo 3 didn't affect Mario Kart Wii sales at all even though they basically arrived within a couple of days of one another.

Actually, this thread is the real damage control. Fable 2 flopped, while LBP didn't (On GS of course) All this thread is trying to do is shine a light on Fable 2's sales while putting down LBP's. They're comparing a open world RPG to a 3 hour platformer, in which it's lasting power is user created content. Keyword here being lasting power. Whether it will last has yet to be seen.
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#38 Robio_basic
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LBP was never going to be a milliion seller. As several others have stated, platformers just don't bring down the house like they once did unless the word Mario appears in the title. The level creator aspect is only going to appeal to a niche audience. Just look at Blastwork's numbers. Even at $20 or whatever it is now, it's not grabbing too much attention and there wasn't a review written that didn't praise the level creator/trader. The vast majority of gamers like to play games, not make them.

Anyway, it will do respectable all the same. My bet is it'll break half a millon copies world-wide, but not much more.

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#39 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]

He said "doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore."

Do i need to explain my post?

Fawlcon_Pawnch

so one popular game sells well that means the genre is popular? Do you seriously not understand.

Who said it was popular? I used Galaxy as an example that people do want platformers but the genre has been, in general, so uninspiring over the last years that most devs dont have ambition when making them.

If good platformers start rolling out with proper budget, ambition and advertisement (like Galaxy) people will buy.

With that said, i think LBP wasnt advertised properly, its a new IP and it needed a much more agressive marketing strategy behind it, with Sackboy toys and all.

Um that is what Sony has been doing. So ..... anyway I have see lots of commercials for LBP. SO they have been advertising it. Sony said so them selsves they were putting a lot of focus on LBP.

LBP had more commercials then SMG and has the bigger budget. The thing SMG has over LBP is mario. Guarantee you if Nintendo had this game they would have called it Mario's Big Planet.

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#40 dr-venkman
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[QUOTE="dr-venkman"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"] SO every platformer is expected to sell as well as Mario? I mean are you really listening to your yourself. Name another platformer over the past 5 years that sold 1-2 million copiestoo_much_eslim

He said "doesnt matter how good a platformer it is; the genre is not that popular anymore."

Do i need to explain my post?

so one popular game sells well that means the genre is popular? Do you seriously not understand.

From reading the above posts, I'm quite sure you're the one not understanding here.

Dude its mario. everyone knows about mario. Mario on the box sells games. Mario selling isn't surprising. what the guy said was right. it doesn't matter how good the platformer is it isn't going to sell. Obviously unless mario is on the box.

The original poster shouldn't have made his post in regard to all platformers. But he did, and that includes Mario. How can there be an argument over this? Saying it''s going to sell regardless because it has Mario in it is not fact. It is speculation. It's like me saying "football games sell terrible." Then you say "uh, Madden!" and I respond "Of course Madden is going to sell. It's because it has Madden written on it!" You can't exclude a game just because it's a popular character. And that is what you're trying to do.
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#41 nervmeister
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lol at you thinking LBP would sell more than Fable 2 or even being comparable. the first Fable sold close to 3 million. Did you really think a new ip like LBP stood a chance against it. Then you have take in consideration of the messed up launch. Game is going to bomb hard. Once Resistance 2 and Gears 2 come out nobody is even going to think of LBP anymore.too_much_eslim
Sony's advertising campaign suggests otherwise.
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#42 dreman999
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Listen, Platformer can sell and it's not a dieing genre, it just that no one has any preferenceof a platformer until they play it. Look at the Mario and Sonic series, the first time I play their game were ether in a toy store or a friends house and it got me wanting their games when I was little. Even last year during Christmas, You could not go to an electronic store or Game Stop with out a Wii with Mario Galaxy on. Now look at LBP, which has no adverting, and the only way to play was ether through the Beta or buying the game. Now, We all know how many ps3's are around, so how would releasing a Beta on a systemno one has in going to get more people to by the system the game it's on? Sony need to put up a demo to play at stores, to let people play it and to know it exorcists.
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#43 dreman999
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]lol at you thinking LBP would sell more than Fable 2 or even being comparable. the first Fable sold close to 3 million. Did you really think a new ip like LBP stood a chance against it. Then you have take in consideration of the messed up launch. Game is going to bomb hard. Once Resistance 2 and Gears 2 come out nobody is even going to think of LBP anymore.nervmeister
Sony's advertising campaign suggests otherwise.

Wait, WHAT?

What adverting campaign?

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#44 EVOLV3
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Your basing these assumptions off of 1 week sales in Japan alone... :roll:
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#45 out0v0rder
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...Sackboy CANNOT attack at all. What a lame design desicion. AdmiralDan
wrong, you can punch other sackboys.
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#46 hopesfall2own
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Didn't cows think LBP would blow out Banjo too? lol..shouldn't be hard to beat these numbers :lol: Even one point cows compared LBP's sales potential to gears! hello i am masterchief lololololol ..what a joke :lol:
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#47 Leo-Magic
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Its casual game though.

it will sale millions if its on the Wii.

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#48 nervmeister
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]lol at you thinking LBP would sell more than Fable 2 or even being comparable. the first Fable sold close to 3 million. Did you really think a new ip like LBP stood a chance against it. Then you have take in consideration of the messed up launch. Game is going to bomb hard. Once Resistance 2 and Gears 2 come out nobody is even going to think of LBP anymore.dreman999

Sony's advertising campaign suggests otherwise.

Wait, WHAT?

What adverting campaign?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/42181.htmlhttp://www.gametrailers.com/player/42180.htmlhttp://www.gametrailers.com/player/41552.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j-xXS841zAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ytFUsWmHschttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATnpmQwghRA
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#49 BeanTownBrown86
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im not surprised at all

i think it will be one of those games that just sells at a consistent rate, gradually over time the community will grow obviously but for now people are just guna have to wait

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#50 blackace
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Fable 2 is killing LBP in sales. Why do you think Fable 2 is selling at basically a 4-1 compared to LBP? Also I know its not official, but you know this is where the numbers are going. Why do you think LBP which is a great game isnt selling that well?Lionslove360

LBP was released on 10/25 and there were some stores like Wal-Mart that released it early. Still, the game really hasn't had a full week of sales yet that has been counted. Once the stats come out next week, we will know for sure how well this game has sold. I don't think it'll sell 1 million in it's first official week like Fable 2 did. I think it would sell at least 500K though.