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#1 alv01
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Source (http://blog.kansai.com/jyuuza/769)


Far left circle: Reflection effects missing in PS3 version. Notice how that building disappears.
Top left circle: On the weapon, the dynamic lighting from boosters should be present. Its not.
Middle... middle: The boosters on the PS3 version is essentially a white circle. The 360 has a clear beam-type look
Bottle right leg: Huge AA difference

Also, pay attention to the building to the right: AA nightmare on the PS3 version, but not the 360 version.

*edit* guys, copy image location, and paste into url for bigger picture
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#2 gnutux
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Source (http://blog.kansai.com/jyuuza/769)


Far left circle: Reflection effects missing in PS3 version. Notice how that building disappears.
Top left circle: On the weapon, the dynamic lighting from boosters should be present. Its not.
Middle... middle: The boosters on the PS3 version is essentially a white circle. The 360 has a clear beam-type look
Bottle right leg: Huge AA difference

Also, pay attention to the building to the right: AA nightmare on the PS3 version, but not the 360 version.
alv01
It looks better on the XBOX 360, wow. Can you link us larger images, it looks hard to see the AA difference with small images. gnutux
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#3 alv01
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believe me, i tried looking for them... just nowhere to be found. But the right side AA detriments are pretty obvioious i suppose
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#4 Viviath
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I must appluad you for actually brining proof unlike most people on these boards, and I must concede that you are right, although i find the value of such a comparison on a medoicre series to be dubious at best when it comes to relevance....
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#5 TriangleHard
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I think now that Sony has given out development tools out to developers, those issues should be fixed, especially anti-aliasing.

I don't think it is power of system that gives different results, but structure of it. Developers are having difficult time making games for it that's all.
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#6 console_fanboy
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Can we get over this? We all know by know that the 360 has superior graphics. Proof = multiplats look better on 360, and 360 has better lookin games. /thread
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#7 alv01
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you're right. this game sucks. i dont think anyone really cares for it... im just posting this as a... just cause kinda thing
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#8 Viviath
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[QUOTE="console_fanboy"]Can we get over this? We all know by know that the 360 has superior graphics. Proof = multiplats look better on 360, and 360 has better lookin games. /thread

PS3 is supposedly harder to program for than X360 and its only been out for a couple of months. So although I agree the thread should be /thread, I must disagree with ur points.
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#9 Raidea
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Hmm, seems the multi-platform games are still superior in visuals on the 360.

I wonder when we will see the multi-plats looking the same. My bet is about 6 months time.
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#10 alv01
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Hmm, seems the multi-platform games are still superior in visuals on the 360.

I wonder when we will see the multi-plats looking the same. My bet is about 6 months time.
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But I was under the impression that PS3 was the lead sku for this game, given that it was first announced for PS3...
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#11 Viviath
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[QUOTE="Raidea"]Hmm, seems the multi-platform games are still superior in visuals on the 360.

I wonder when we will see the multi-plats looking the same. My bet is about 6 months time.
alv01


But I was under the impression that PS3 was the lead sku for this game, given that it was first announced for PS3...

im confused with these devs...its like they never talked about UT3 for X360 until recently yet is at the same stage, or ahead of the PS3 version... I dont think the announcement date directly correlates with the programming order.
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The reason the building isnt being reflected is because the camera is at a different angle...
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#13 venture00
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And this is a Ps3 port to the xbox360 and stills looks better than the ps3 version, cows doesnt have excuses now.
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#14 aerziel
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just a question though when did armor core was release for the ps3?
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#15 Harbadakus
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The reason the building isnt being reflected is because the camera is at a different angle...Wasdie
That's right. In fact you can actually see a reflection in the PS3 version window, just from a different building(a low one)
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#16 GermanShepard06
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this game looks horrible, why even show this mess?
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#17 Riverwolf007
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I must appluad you for actually brining proof unlike most people on these boards, and I must concede that you are right, although i find the value of such a comparison on a medoicre series to be dubious at best when it comes to relevance....Viviath
I think the relevance is in what this means for other games. Few of us care about AC4 but the other multi-plats will suffer until the devs figure out how to program for the PS3.
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#18 joeychew
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Both look close...but x360 version looks better overall.
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#19 venture00
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this game looks horrible, why even show this mess?GermanShepard06


i smell horrible damage control lol..
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[QUOTE="console_fanboy"]Can we get over this? We all know by know that the 360 has superior graphics. Proof = multiplats look better on 360, and 360 has better lookin games. /threadViviath
PS3 is supposedly harder to program for than X360 and its only been out for a couple of months. So although I agree the thread should be /thread, I must disagree with ur points.

You guys ok. Just because the system been out for 4 months, does not meen they just got there dev kits.. Dev kits been out since 2005 when the stated in E305 they dished out over 3,000 dev kits.. So they had plenty of time to get it right.

 

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Interesting.

While the reflection on the PS3 version picture is absent by default due to the camera being at a different angle, there's no excuse for the other graphical flaws that aren't present in the Xbox 360 version.

Is this an indicator of things to come? Is the Playstation 3 destined to have inferior graphics for multiplatform games than the Xbox 360? I doubt it. Developers haven't had as much time getting used to the Playstation 3's hardware and its likely due to it being a port of the Xbox 360 version in lead development. (But I would've thought that in this case, since this is a very Japanese franchise) the PS3 would be the lead SKU in development and it would've been ported down to the Xbox 360. Maybe Japan is warming up to the Xbox 360 after all.

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The reason the building isnt being reflected is because the camera is at a different angle...Wasdie

Man, you reached for that one. So what about the Jaggies?

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#23 lukasz_erecinsk
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I have a feeling that the 360 games will look superior for quite a while ..... due to the cheaper technology involved in programming the games
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#24 Tonindo
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OMG! I don't see the difference. And to actually see people being serious about this is hilarious! Who has time to search for differences in games, let alone small ones, like those. Get a life.
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[QUOTE="console_fanboy"]Can we get over this? We all know by know that the 360 has superior graphics. Proof = multiplats look better on 360, and 360 has better lookin games. /threadViviath
PS3 is supposedly harder to program for than X360 and its only been out for a couple of months. So although I agree the thread should be /thread, I must disagree with ur points.

LIKE I SAID. Dev kits have been out since 2005.

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#26 Private_Vegas
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Whatever...... I don't notice that crap when I'm frantically battling for supreme robot domination, like you should be during a game of Armored Core
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#27 venture00
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Interesting.

While the reflection on the PS3 version picture is absent by default due to the camera being at a different angle, there's no excuse for the other graphical flaws that aren't present in the Xbox 360 version.

Is this an indicator of things to come? Is the Playstation 3 destined to have inferior graphics for multiplatform games than the Xbox 360? I doubt it. Developers haven't had as much time getting used to the Playstation 3's hardware and its likely due to it being a port of the Xbox 360 version in lead development. (But I would've thought that in this case, since this is a very Japanese franchise) the PS3 would be the lead SKU in development and it would've been ported down to the Xbox 360. Maybe Japan is warming up to the Xbox 360 after all.

The_Game21x


this is not a port of the xbox360 version, the port its from ps3 to 360.
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#28 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Interesting.

While the reflection on the PS3 version picture is absent by default due to the camera being at a different angle, there's no excuse for the other graphical flaws that aren't present in the Xbox 360 version.

Is this an indicator of things to come? Is the Playstation 3 destined to have inferior graphics for multiplatform games than the Xbox 360? I doubt it. Developers haven't had as much time getting used to the Playstation 3's hardware and its likely due to it being a port of the Xbox 360 version in lead development. (But I would've thought that in this case, since this is a very Japanese franchise) the PS3 would be the lead SKU in development and it would've been ported down to the Xbox 360. Maybe Japan is warming up to the Xbox 360 after all.

venture00



this is not a port of the xbox360 version, the port its from ps3 to 360.

Oh really? if that's the case, then I don't know what to think. Ports usually look worse than the game developed on the lead SKU. 

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#29 aerziel
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[QUOTE="venture00"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Interesting.

While the reflection on the PS3 version picture is absent by default due to the camera being at a different angle, there's no excuse for the other graphical flaws that aren't present in the Xbox 360 version.

Is this an indicator of things to come? Is the Playstation 3 destined to have inferior graphics for multiplatform games than the Xbox 360? I doubt it. Developers haven't had as much time getting used to the Playstation 3's hardware and its likely due to it being a port of the Xbox 360 version in lead development. (But I would've thought that in this case, since this is a very Japanese franchise) the PS3 would be the lead SKU in development and it would've been ported down to the Xbox 360. Maybe Japan is warming up to the Xbox 360 after all.

The_Game21x



this is not a port of the xbox360 version, the port its from ps3 to 360.

Oh really? if that's the case, then I don't know what to think. Ports usually look worse than the game developed on the lead SKU. 

if thats the case it only means like the reasoning for oblivion only its the other way around.
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#30 venture00
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[QUOTE="venture00"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Interesting.

While the reflection on the PS3 version picture is absent by default due to the camera being at a different angle, there's no excuse for the other graphical flaws that aren't present in the Xbox 360 version.

Is this an indicator of things to come? Is the Playstation 3 destined to have inferior graphics for multiplatform games than the Xbox 360? I doubt it. Developers haven't had as much time getting used to the Playstation 3's hardware and its likely due to it being a port of the Xbox 360 version in lead development. (But I would've thought that in this case, since this is a very Japanese franchise) the PS3 would be the lead SKU in development and it would've been ported down to the Xbox 360. Maybe Japan is warming up to the Xbox 360 after all.

The_Game21x



this is not a port of the xbox360 version, the port its from ps3 to 360.

Oh really? if that's the case, then I don't know what to think. Ports usually look worse than the game developed on the lead SKU.



Its not BS it was released in japan December 21, 2006, and the xbox360 version is coming  to japan December 31, 2007.
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#31 Ontain
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[QUOTE="aerziel"] if thats the case it only means like the reasoning for oblivion only its the other way around.

did one Armored Core never get a year of extra development time?
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#32 aerziel
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="aerziel"] if thats the case it only means like the reasoning for oblivion only its the other way around.

did one Armored Core never get a year of extra development time?

to be honest i dont know but the only thing i can think of is whats happening to oblivion.
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Source (http://blog.kansai.com/jyuuza/769)


Far left circle: Reflection effects missing in PS3 version. Notice how that building disappears.
Top left circle: On the weapon, the dynamic lighting from boosters should be present. Its not.
Middle... middle: The boosters on the PS3 version is essentially a white circle. The 360 has a clear beam-type look
Bottle right leg: Huge AA difference

Also, pay attention to the building to the right: AA nightmare on the PS3 version, but not the 360 version.

*edit* guys, copy image location, and paste into url for bigger picture
alv01

Next time reveal your source and don't pass it off as your own research......................................

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/comparing-ac4-for-xbox-360-and-ps3-243722.php

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#34 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="venture00"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Interesting.

While the reflection on the PS3 version picture is absent by default due to the camera being at a different angle, there's no excuse for the other graphical flaws that aren't present in the Xbox 360 version.

Is this an indicator of things to come? Is the Playstation 3 destined to have inferior graphics for multiplatform games than the Xbox 360? I doubt it. Developers haven't had as much time getting used to the Playstation 3's hardware and its likely due to it being a port of the Xbox 360 version in lead development. (But I would've thought that in this case, since this is a very Japanese franchise) the PS3 would be the lead SKU in development and it would've been ported down to the Xbox 360. Maybe Japan is warming up to the Xbox 360 after all.

venture00



this is not a port of the xbox360 version, the port its from ps3 to 360.

Oh really? if that's the case, then I don't know what to think. Ports usually look worse than the game developed on the lead SKU.



Its not BS it was released in japan December 21, 2006, and the xbox360 version is coming  to japan December 31, 2007.

I wasn't saying it was BS or that you were wrong by saying "Oh really?". I was just posing the question.

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so isn't the Ps3 capable of good AA or is this a coincidence?
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[QUOTE="Viviath"][QUOTE="console_fanboy"]Can we get over this? We all know by know that the 360 has superior graphics. Proof = multiplats look better on 360, and 360 has better lookin games. /thread

PS3 is supposedly harder to program for than X360 and its only been out for a couple of months. So although I agree the thread should be /thread, I must disagree with ur points.

Ditto.
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#38 venture00
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[QUOTE="venture00"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="venture00"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Interesting.

While the reflection on the PS3 version picture is absent by default due to the camera being at a different angle, there's no excuse for the other graphical flaws that aren't present in the Xbox 360 version.

Is this an indicator of things to come? Is the Playstation 3 destined to have inferior graphics for multiplatform games than the Xbox 360? I doubt it. Developers haven't had as much time getting used to the Playstation 3's hardware and its likely due to it being a port of the Xbox 360 version in lead development. (But I would've thought that in this case, since this is a very Japanese franchise) the PS3 would be the lead SKU in development and it would've been ported down to the Xbox 360. Maybe Japan is warming up to the Xbox 360 after all.

The_Game21x



this is not a port of the xbox360 version, the port its from ps3 to 360.

Oh really? if that's the case, then I don't know what to think. Ports usually look worse than the game developed on the lead SKU.



Its not BS it was released in japan December 21, 2006, and the xbox360 version is coming to japan December 31, 2007.

I wasn't saying it was BS or that you were wrong by saying "Oh really?". I was just posing the question.



Don't get me wrong i know u were not saying that is BS. but sometimes people asks for proves and i gave one.
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#39 djestar
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Saying that programming for the PS3 is harder is one thing I agree with, however using that as an excuse... how lame. Exactly how much time do PS3 developers need before we can properly do another graphics comparison. I also agree that Sony graphics will only get better with time, although the same can also be said for the 360. As for the choice of game used in the graphics comparison, a game is a game the PS3 version still looks worse in terms of lighting and there are many other multiplat games that can back this up. Anyways we could choose an AAA game to compare however the only AAA next gen games are 360 exclusives.
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this game looks horrible, why even show this mess?GermanShepard06
That's a good point. This game is so bad who cares how much better the graphics look on either system. I'm more interested in a graphic comparison of say Half Life-2, Army of two, Merc 2, Battlefield Bad Company, or heck even a Forza GT5 (even those will ook the same).
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Singing the same ole' tune again? just wait? aren't you sick of waiting? i think cows have been waiting since 2005...Just wait, it's only 1/2 yr delay for a launch, just wait, they didn't get their dev kit fast early enough, just wait, it's been only 4 months....soon, we'll be hearing, "just wait, pos-station 4 is going to RULE!!!"

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I thought this was developed on the PS3 first and then ported over to the 360.
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#43 venture00
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I thought this was developed on the PS3 first and then ported over to the 360.DaysAirlines


yes this a ps3 port to the 360
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Singing the same ole' tune again? just wait? aren't you sick of waiting? i think cows have been waiting since 2005...Just wait, it's only 1/2 yr delay for a launch, just wait, they didn't get their dev kit fast early enough, just wait, it's been only 4 months....soon, we'll be hearing, "just wait, pos-station 4 is going to RULE!!!"

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#45 Impex
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Who cares..? It's Armored Core, a game I could really care less about. It was a good game on the PS1, but it got worse and worse from there. 
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#46 jiggawho2006
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So, when a multi-console game looks better on a xbox 360, it's "who cares?...i don't care less about it." BUT when it looks better on ps3, (Cow's dream every night) it's "OMG ps3 hardware pwns xbox"
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#47 Impex
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So, when a multi-console game looks better on a xbox 360, it's "who cares?...i don't care less about it." BUT when it looks better on ps3, (Cow's dream every night) it's "OMG ps3 hardware pwns xbox"jiggawho2006


I own an Xbox, but this is a comparison about a series that is very inconsistant and completely unappealing to me.
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[QUOTE="console_fanboy"]Can we get over this? We all know by know that the 360 has superior graphics. Proof = multiplats look better on 360, and 360 has better lookin games. /thread



A lot of early PS2/Xbox ports looked nearly identical. And we all know just how much more powerful the Xbox was than the PS3. This proves absolutely nothing. It's a mediocre game with mediocre graphics at best. We've all seen better on the PS3 already. All this shows is that nearly all third party developers have been making games on the 360 for a year+ longer than they have on the PS3 so they design their games from the ground up on the 360 and port them to the PS3 as an afterthought. Give it time.
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#49 killaj2786
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ok.....its all good and dandy that the 360 version is better, but the game itself sucks bad, so even considering a comparison for this game is well.....unneccessary.
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#50 chrisdojo
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proof that ps3 sux.