As a sheep, I thank you MS........for helping put the Wii ON TOP this gen

360 and PS3 share a lot in common; ie, the same games, high end graphics and pricetags. MS pretty much walked in and cut Sony's marketshare in half, stole many of their third party exclusives (GTA, DMC 4 and counting)... and now niether brand is left with any real differentiation.... while Nintendo offers something different and is getting all of the glory.

Sony and MS are so busy fighting for scraps in the remaining console market that they lost sight of Nintendo who just walked in and stole the next gen prize without even breaking a sweat by expanding the market.

Of course, MS doesnt actually have a chance to win this generation (how can you without Japan or Europe lol), but they've helped take enough away from Sony to leave the door wide open for Nintendo... and the Wii's success just means a hell of a lot more games for us sheep once 3rd parties are finished playing catch up.

Thanks :)  

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS.  The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past.  Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii.  Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

 But the novetly will only get it so far.  It needs some games and needs them badly.

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS.  The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past.  Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii.  Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

 But the novetly will only get it so far.  It needs some games and needs them badly.

sonicare

exactly, sheep got owned on the second post

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS. The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past. Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii. Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

But the novetly will only get it so far. It needs some games and needs them badly.

sonicare

I agree on some parts. The Wii is after a different market than the 360 and PS3, so it would have sold what it has sold whether there were 360s and PS3s or not, wouldn't have mattered. I don't agree with the whole lack of games bit, because it's not a "hardcore" system, and just because it doesn't have games you think it should have doesn't mean it doesn't have games geared toward it's target market, which it does.

The Wii will sell well, and the 360 and PS3 will sell well comparatively, because in all honesty, they are after different things.  Touting the Wii as the winner of the next-gen is really quite pointless, because basically they are saying, "Ha!  We're selling our product to people that had no intention of EVER buying your product, therefore we are better than you!"

The 360 and PS3 are not after the non-gamer, they're after the gamer. 

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS.  The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past.  Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii.  Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

 But the novetly will only get it so far.  It needs some games and needs them badly.

sonicare

I hate to break it to you, but these games all... SELL... and this is in the Wii's supposed drought.  

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS.  The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past.  Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii.  Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

 But the novetly will only get it so far.  It needs some games and needs them badly.

sonicare

As a logical sheep, I will not argue with this post. Right now the Wii is lacking in the games department for serious great titles, however I believe that this year is going to be big for it, as well as the PS3 and 360 which will have their big titles as well, there is no denying that fact.

Microsoft just called,

They said, "You are welcome"

Edit: Now go and enjoy your Last-Gen hardware with yo bad self.  :-)

That's a log of talk for a console that basically has no software to speak of.....after seeing the resident evil game going to the Wii will be a rail light gun game.........I'm not too excited about their prospects.

Basically the Wii has brought in new gamers, that is true.  What it has not done is convince most of the gaming world (pre-X360/PS3/Wii) that motion sensing gaming can cover up the fact the games will be of significant lower graphic quality, smaller in scope (not huge worlds you'll see in Halo or even Lair), and deficient in online play (as far as I can see anyways).

Wii is great.....for a party.  I've said this before and I'll keep saying it, it's not that the Wii is a fad.....it's just the people playing it are not the type to 1) spend money like normal gamers 2) spend the majority of free time playing games

Wii will stick around for this generation but don't ever convince yourself it's the same audience the PS3/X360 is going after.  Even if Wii had TWICE the player base, I'll bet X360 or PS3 players spend three times the money on software, accessories, ect.... than someone playing the Wii.  That's who nintendo has targeted IMO, the less than casual gamer willing to spend a hour or two a week when they have friends over to play Wii Sports or Mario Party.  If they are going to play a serious game, trust me it'll be for X360 or PS3.

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles.

Games like Strikers and Big Brain are all well and good, and will probably sell pretty well. It still doesn't change the fact that Wii will have the slowest stream of new releases out of any current system.

And just like GameCube, most of the games worth playing are Nintendo titles.

Don't get me wrong, I've had Wii since launch and have had some good times with it, but the software support is sketchy at best and it takes a back seat to every other platform I play games on, 360, PS2, DS and even PSP.

Wii is selling well now, but so did GameCube in it's first year. I think we'll be hitting the saturation point soon, and the hardware sales will plateau.

Quite simply, software sells consoles. If you're a parent of, or a 12 year old kid, Wii's library will do you just fine. 

If you're looking for games with substance, any sort of online that can handle more than 4 players, downloadable content, demos, original downloadable games or something that runs in HD...Wii is simply not a good choice as your main console.

Microsoft should thank Nintendo for essentially forcing me to buy a 360 for my hardcore gaming needs :P 

 

Wii will stick around for this generation but don't ever convince yourself it's the same audience the PS3/X360 is going after.  Even if Wii had TWICE the player base, I'll bet X360 or PS3 players spend three times the money on software, accessories, ect.... than someone playing the Wii.  darthogre

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS.  The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past.  Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii.  Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

 But the novetly will only get it so far.  It needs some games and needs them badly.

sonicare

wii is $50 cheaper than xbox360 :|

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS. The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past. Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii. Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

But the novetly will only get it so far. It needs some games and needs them badly.

rykaziel

I agree on some parts. The Wii is after a different market than the 360 and PS3, so it would have sold what it has sold whether there were 360s and PS3s or not, wouldn't have mattered. I don't agree with the whole lack of games bit, because it's not a "hardcore" system, and just because it doesn't have games you think it should have doesn't mean it doesn't have games geared toward it's target market, which it does.

The Wii will sell well, and the 360 and PS3 will sell well comparatively, because in all honesty, they are after different things.  Touting the Wii as the winner of the next-gen is really quite pointless, because basically they are saying, "Ha!  We're selling our product to people that had no intention of EVER buying your product, therefore we are better than you!"

The 360 and PS3 are not after the non-gamer, they're after the gamer. 

Damage control. Nintendo unveiled its strategy way before the Wii launched but people were saying that it was a gimmick and that is was going to flop harder than the GC.

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles.

Games like Strikers and Big Brain are all well and good, and will probably sell pretty well. It still doesn't change the fact that Wii will have the slowest stream of new releases out of any current system.

And just like GameCube, most of the games worth playing are Nintendo titles.

Don't get me wrong, I've had Wii since launch and have had some good times with it, but the software support is sketchy at best and it takes a back seat to every other platform I play games on, 360, PS2, DS and even PSP.

Wii is selling well now, but so did GameCube in it's first year. I think we'll be hitting the saturation point soon, and the hardware sales will plateau.

Quite simply, software sells consoles. If you're a parent of, or a 12 year old kid, Wii's library will do you just fine. 

If you're looking for games with substance, any sort of online that can handle more than 4 players, downloadable content, demos, original downloadable games or something that runs in HD...Wii is simply not a good choice as your main console.

Microsoft should thank Nintendo for essentially forcing me to buy a 360 for my hardcore gaming needs :P 

bryehngeocef

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles.

Games like Strikers and Big Brain are all well and good, and will probably sell pretty well. It still doesn't change the fact that Wii will have the slowest stream of new releases out of any current system.

And just like GameCube, most of the games worth playing are Nintendo titles.

Don't get me wrong, I've had Wii since launch and have had some good times with it, but the software support is sketchy at best and it takes a back seat to every other platform I play games on, 360, PS2, DS and even PSP.

Wii is selling well now, but so did GameCube in it's first year. I think we'll be hitting the saturation point soon, and the hardware sales will plateau.

Quite simply, software sells consoles. If you're a parent of, or a 12 year old kid, Wii's library will do you just fine. 

If you're looking for games with substance, any sort of online that can handle more than 4 players, downloadable content, demos, original downloadable games or something that runs in HD...Wii is simply not a good choice as your main console.

Microsoft should thank Nintendo for essentially forcing me to buy a 360 for my hardcore gaming needs :P 

bryehngeocef

GC maybe sold well compared to its competitors at that time but compared to the Wii it sold like crap.

"Even if Wii had TWICE the player base, I'll bet X360 or PS3 players spend three times the money on software, accessories, ect.... than someone playing the Wii."

The Wii's attach rate (games sold per unit of hardware sold) is way higher than the PS3, and roughly the same as the 360 was after 5 months. You lose.

[QUOTE="bryehngeocef"]

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles.

Games like Strikers and Big Brain are all well and good, and will probably sell pretty well. It still doesn't change the fact that Wii will have the slowest stream of new releases out of any current system.

And just like GameCube, most of the games worth playing are Nintendo titles.

Don't get me wrong, I've had Wii since launch and have had some good times with it, but the software support is sketchy at best and it takes a back seat to every other platform I play games on, 360, PS2, DS and even PSP.

Wii is selling well now, but so did GameCube in it's first year. I think we'll be hitting the saturation point soon, and the hardware sales will plateau.

Quite simply, software sells consoles. If you're a parent of, or a 12 year old kid, Wii's library will do you just fine.

If you're looking for games with substance, any sort of online that can handle more than 4 players, downloadable content, demos, original downloadable games or something that runs in HD...Wii is simply not a good choice as your main console.

Microsoft should thank Nintendo for essentially forcing me to buy a 360 for my hardcore gaming needs :P

jedigemini

Thing is, sales numbers really don't matter to someone that just wants to play games, and I think you missed the point.

Wii will hit what is known as the "Saturation Point" in economics. The point where everyone that wanted one (Zelda fans) will have it. After that, when people start to realize what they're missing they'll start turning to another console and Wii's numbers will drop off. 

I've bought 2 Wii units myself (One USA, one JPN), and still found the need to get a 360.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="bryehngeocef"]

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles.

Games like Strikers and Big Brain are all well and good, and will probably sell pretty well. It still doesn't change the fact that Wii will have the slowest stream of new releases out of any current system.

And just like GameCube, most of the games worth playing are Nintendo titles.

Don't get me wrong, I've had Wii since launch and have had some good times with it, but the software support is sketchy at best and it takes a back seat to every other platform I play games on, 360, PS2, DS and even PSP.

Wii is selling well now, but so did GameCube in it's first year. I think we'll be hitting the saturation point soon, and the hardware sales will plateau.

Quite simply, software sells consoles. If you're a parent of, or a 12 year old kid, Wii's library will do you just fine.

If you're looking for games with substance, any sort of online that can handle more than 4 players, downloadable content, demos, original downloadable games or something that runs in HD...Wii is simply not a good choice as your main console.

Microsoft should thank Nintendo for essentially forcing me to buy a 360 for my hardcore gaming needs :P

bryehngeocef

Thing is, sales numbers really don't matter to someone that just wants to play games, and I think you missed the point.

Wii will hit what is known as the "Saturation Point" in economics. The point where everyone that wanted one (Zelda fans) will have it. After that, when people start to realize what they're missing they'll start turning to another console and Wii's numbers will drop off. 

I've bought 2 Wii units myself (One USA, one JPN), and still found the need to get a 360.

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles. 

bryehngeocef

hahaha.  That's almost comical considering the Godfather and Madden are both better on the Wii.

[QUOTE="bryehngeocef"]

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles. 

TimeToPartyHard

hahaha.  That's almost comical considering the Godfather and Madden are both better on the Wii.

wow 2 games out of.. how many that were multiplat?

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="bryehngeocef"]

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles.

Games like Strikers and Big Brain are all well and good, and will probably sell pretty well. It still doesn't change the fact that Wii will have the slowest stream of new releases out of any current system.

And just like GameCube, most of the games worth playing are Nintendo titles.

Don't get me wrong, I've had Wii since launch and have had some good times with it, but the software support is sketchy at best and it takes a back seat to every other platform I play games on, 360, PS2, DS and even PSP.

Wii is selling well now, but so did GameCube in it's first year. I think we'll be hitting the saturation point soon, and the hardware sales will plateau.

Quite simply, software sells consoles. If you're a parent of, or a 12 year old kid, Wii's library will do you just fine.

If you're looking for games with substance, any sort of online that can handle more than 4 players, downloadable content, demos, original downloadable games or something that runs in HD...Wii is simply not a good choice as your main console.

Microsoft should thank Nintendo for essentially forcing me to buy a 360 for my hardcore gaming needs :P

bryehngeocef

Thing is, sales numbers really don't matter to someone that just wants to play games, and I think you missed the point.

Wii will hit what is known as the "Saturation Point" in economics. The point where everyone that wanted one (Zelda fans) will have it. After that, when people start to realize what they're missing they'll start turning to another console and Wii's numbers will drop off. 

I've bought 2 Wii units myself (One USA, one JPN), and still found the need to get a 360.

so while releases may be slow right now, when the Wii reaches this saturation point you speak of (which is questionable in this case as the market of non-gamers the Wii is penetrating is nearly 100 percent larger than the existing consumer base) then a steady flow of 3rd party releases will hit the console giving it nearly the same ammount of multi-plats featured on the other consoles, along with a tonne of third party exclusives and spin-offs given the uniqueness of the Wii controller, and the incredible strength of Nintendo's first party bombshells which come in the way of class franchises (Mario, Zelda ect.) and non-games like Brainage and Wii Health.

Meh. I'm happy for Nintendo, but for the most part their library is shallow as hell.

So far like the Gamecube, the only titles worth buying are the Nintendo titles, as the third party titles are not that great. No, I don't want to play the Godfather or Resident Evil with tacked on Wii controls.

I want a full featured Wii game built from the ground up that isn't a collection of minigames and taking advantage of the promise that Nintendo showed in it's promo clips. To me the software library is more important than anything. And right now I'm not impressed. I will happily play Super Paper Mario, but they can take all of those ports and shove it. They don't do the system any justice, I don't care how many units they move.

I'm not bashing Nintendo, but selling consoles is only half of the equation, you must have compelling content to put in the console. While I have seen plenty of games I know I will have fun playing, not many outside of Nintendo IP's look like they could capture my interest for very long.

Meh. I'm happy for Nintendo, but for the most part their library is shallow as hell.

So far like the Gamecube, the only titles worth buying are the Nintendo titles, as the third party titles are not that great. No, I don't want to play the Godfather or Resident Evil with tacked on Wii controls.

I want a full featured Wii game built from the ground up that isn't a collection of minigames and taking advantage of the promise that Nintendo showed in it's promo clips. To me the software library is more important than anything. And right now I'm not impressed. I will happily play Super Paper Mario, but they can take all of those ports and shove it. They don't do the system any justice, I don't care how many units they move.

I'm not bashing Nintendo, but selling consoles is only half of the equation, you must have compelling content to put in the console. While I have seen plenty of games I know I will have fun playing, not many outside of Nintendo IP's look like they could capture my interest for very long.

heretrix

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS. The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past. Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii. Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

But the novetly will only get it so far. It needs some games and needs them badly.

sonicare

I own a Wii.. and it lost its novelty FAST.. I know a lot of people that are the same as me.. but too late Nintendo already got the sales 

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

The wii would have been as successful with or without MS.  The reason it is selling well is because it offers novelty - it's bringing in a segment of the market that was untapped in the past.  Lots of people that haven't gamed before are getting the wii.  Also the fact that it's close to 200$ cheaper than the 360 and moreso than the ps3 helps.

 But the novetly will only get it so far.  It needs some games and needs them badly.

afdevil24

wii is $50 cheaper than xbox360 :|

Wii - 250$

Xbox 360 premium - 400$

Xbox 360 elite - 480$

No one gets the core.

:| x 100

I'm not bashing Nintendo, but selling consoles is only half of the equation, you must have compelling content to put in the console. While I have seen plenty of games I know I will have fun playing, not many outside of Nintendo IP's look like they could capture my interest for very long.

heretrix

Exactly. The third-parties can shovel out tons of PS2 and downgraded 360 ports, and most will be as much worth playing as Far Cry, Splintter Cell or Chicken Little. Same game as on another system, but worse and $20 more expensive.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="bryehngeocef"]

Wii needs more games, plain and simple. Anything multi-plat (Godfather, Spider-Man 3, etc) is far better on one of the Next-Gen consoles.

Games like Strikers and Big Brain are all well and good, and will probably sell pretty well. It still doesn't change the fact that Wii will have the slowest stream of new releases out of any current system.

And just like GameCube, most of the games worth playing are Nintendo titles.

Don't get me wrong, I've had Wii since launch and have had some good times with it, but the software support is sketchy at best and it takes a back seat to every other platform I play games on, 360, PS2, DS and even PSP.

Wii is selling well now, but so did GameCube in it's first year. I think we'll be hitting the saturation point soon, and the hardware sales will plateau.

Quite simply, software sells consoles. If you're a parent of, or a 12 year old kid, Wii's library will do you just fine.

If you're looking for games with substance, any sort of online that can handle more than 4 players, downloadable content, demos, original downloadable games or something that runs in HD...Wii is simply not a good choice as your main console.

Microsoft should thank Nintendo for essentially forcing me to buy a 360 for my hardcore gaming needs :P

bryehngeocef

Thing is, sales numbers really don't matter to someone that just wants to play games, and I think you missed the point.

Wii will hit what is known as the "Saturation Point" in economics. The point where everyone that wanted one (Zelda fans) will have it. After that, when people start to realize what they're missing they'll start turning to another console and Wii's numbers will drop off.

I've bought 2 Wii units myself (One USA, one JPN), and still found the need to get a 360.

You're assuming that everyone who bought a Wii did so only because of Zelda.  That's why your argument is complete crap.

Damage control. Nintendo unveiled its strategy way before the Wii launched but people were saying that it was a gimmick and that is was going to flop harder than the GC.

Hir0_N

Who said it was a gimmick? GAMERS did who were going to buy the PS3 or 360. Analysts didn't see it selling well because the GAMING community, the audience that was NOT the primary target audience, didn't hold it in high regard. The Nintendo faithfuls all got one, and are still trying to get one, while the target market for the Wii (non-gamers) are eating it up.

Nintendo is a smart company. They know that they cannot compete in a hardware war. Nintendo does not have the media connections that Sony has, nor the financial clout of Microsoft and their non-gaming related software talent, in order to create a platform that can take on MS and Sony in terms of being a media hub, hardware extraordinaire.

Don't delude yourself into thinking the Wii is made for the hardcore gamer. They simplified EVERYTHING about their platform, made it extremely friendly to newcomers, and if there is one aspect of gamers, the MAJORITY (emphasis on MAJORITY, i.e. this may statement may not appply to YOU) want more complex, more online, they want MORE, while Nintendo has done everything possible to simplify the gaming experience.

The Wii will be a very successful console. The 360 and PS3 will also be very successful consoles, because they're not competing for the same market. Plain and simple.

When I start to see games like Halo 3, Mass Effect, Forza 2, PGR 4, Overlord, Fable 2,  Blue Dragon, C & C Tiberium Wars, UT 3, GTA IV, Assassins Creed, DMC 4, MGS 4, FF XIII, Lair, Killzone 2, GT 5, Ratchet and Clank PS3, Jak and Daxter PS3, StarWars Force Unleashed and others on the Wii, then Ill buy in!!! The sheep really need to understand that the Wii is everyones "other" console and nobody's only console!!! It is a novelty, a fad! It has cute party type games and a unique control scheme. Sure it'll have the Mario's, the Zelda's and the Metroid Primes, but from my view point thus far, the Wii has a whole lotta CRAP!!! I mean C'mon....Cooking Mama??? Really?? Seriously??? Of course, I'm also over the age of 10, so maybe the thought of Paper Mario just doesnt appeal to someone who has been gaming since the Atari 2600!!!!kungfuchaos

The utter ignorance of your post isnt going to warrant a response... as for the Wii fad excuse, I look forward to you and fanboys like you being shoocked and dissapointed every single month that the Wii crushed your console in sales until reality eventually begins to set in

Microsoft just called,

They said, "You are welcome"

 

Edit: Now go and enjoy your Last-Gen hardware with yo bad self. :-)

billing

Yeah I will enjoy it with all the other ones who were lucky to find one. Also enjoy playing on your last gen console, this gen started with Wii and PS3 and the motion sensing while 360 (Xbox with better graphics) is now left in the past gen and is being outsold by PS2. 

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Meh. I'm happy for Nintendo, but for the most part their library is shallow as hell.

So far like the Gamecube, the only titles worth buying are the Nintendo titles, as the third party titles are not that great. No, I don't want to play the Godfather or Resident Evil with tacked on Wii controls.

I want a full featured Wii game built from the ground up that isn't a collection of minigames and taking advantage of the promise that Nintendo showed in it's promo clips. To me the software library is more important than anything. And right now I'm not impressed. I will happily play Super Paper Mario, but they can take all of those ports and shove it. They don't do the system any justice, I don't care how many units they move.

I'm not bashing Nintendo, but selling consoles is only half of the equation, you must have compelling content to put in the console. While I have seen plenty of games I know I will have fun playing, not many outside of Nintendo IP's look like they could capture my interest for very long.

jedigemini

360 and PS3 share a lot in common; ie, the same games, high end graphics and pricetags. MS pretty much walked in and cut Sony's marketshare in half, stole many of their third party exclusives (GTA, DMC 4 and counting)... and now niether brand is left with any real differentiation.... while Nintendo offers something different and is getting all of the glory.

Sony and MS are so busy fighting for scraps in the remaining console market that they lost sight of Nintendo who just walked in and stole the next gen prize without even breaking a sweat by expanding the market.

Of course, MS doesnt actually have a chance to win this generation (how can you without Japan or Europe lol), but they've helped take enough away from Sony to leave the door wide open for Nintendo... and the Wii's success just means a hell of a lot more games for us sheep once 3rd parties are finished playing catch up.

Thanks :)

jedigemini

Well I have a Wii, and I will say this about it. It is fun, but it is not the only system I would own. The 360 and PS3 will offer a superior experience. The Wii has it's place, but when it comes to some serious gaming, that is not it.

360 and PS3 share a lot in common; ie, the same games, high end graphics and pricetags. MS pretty much walked in and cut Sony's marketshare in half, stole many of their third party exclusives (GTA, DMC 4 and counting)... and now niether brand is left with any real differentiation.... while Nintendo offers something different and is getting all of the glory.

Sony and MS are so busy fighting for scraps in the remaining console market that they lost sight of Nintendo who just walked in and stole the next gen prize without even breaking a sweat by expanding the market.

Of course, MS doesnt actually have a chance to win this generation (how can you without Japan or Europe lol), but they've helped take enough away from Sony to leave the door wide open for Nintendo... and the Wii's success just means a hell of a lot more games for us sheep once 3rd parties are finished playing catch up.

Thanks :)

jedigemini

Keep dreaming, delusional Sheep :lol:

Fanboyism at its lowest :lol: 

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

360 and PS3 share a lot in common; ie, the same games, high end graphics and pricetags. MS pretty much walked in and cut Sony's marketshare in half, stole many of their third party exclusives (GTA, DMC 4 and counting)... and now niether brand is left with any real differentiation.... while Nintendo offers something different and is getting all of the glory.

Sony and MS are so busy fighting for scraps in the remaining console market that they lost sight of Nintendo who just walked in and stole the next gen prize without even breaking a sweat by expanding the market.

Of course, MS doesnt actually have a chance to win this generation (how can you without Japan or Europe lol), but they've helped take enough away from Sony to leave the door wide open for Nintendo... and the Wii's success just means a hell of a lot more games for us sheep once 3rd parties are finished playing catch up.

Thanks :)

KingsofQueens

Keep dreaming, delusional Sheep :lol:

Fanboyism at its lowest :lol:

Its not delusion, Many companies have recently starting to put efforts into pumping out Wii titles BECAUSE IT IS THE TOP SELLER and we should see results in about a year. Do you not read the freaking news?

This is just like the PS2 even though the Xbox and GCN had better hardware and graphics PS2 got the majority of the games because it was the top seller.  

[QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

360 and PS3 share a lot in common; ie, the same games, high end graphics and pricetags. MS pretty much walked in and cut Sony's marketshare in half, stole many of their third party exclusives (GTA, DMC 4 and counting)... and now niether brand is left with any real differentiation.... while Nintendo offers something different and is getting all of the glory.

Sony and MS are so busy fighting for scraps in the remaining console market that they lost sight of Nintendo who just walked in and stole the next gen prize without even breaking a sweat by expanding the market.

Of course, MS doesnt actually have a chance to win this generation (how can you without Japan or Europe lol), but they've helped take enough away from Sony to leave the door wide open for Nintendo... and the Wii's success just means a hell of a lot more games for us sheep once 3rd parties are finished playing catch up.

Thanks :)

superkoolstud

Keep dreaming, delusional Sheep :lol:

Fanboyism at its lowest :lol:

Its not delusion, Many companies have recently starting to put efforts into pumping out Wii titles BECAUSE IT IS THE TOP SELLER and we should see results in about a year. Do you not read the freaking news?

This is just like the PS2 even though the Xbox and GCN had better hardware and graphics PS2 got the majority of the games because it was the top seller.

Xbox and GC had better hardware...but NOT SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER. RE4 for PS2 is proven of that. GoW2 is proven of that.

Difference between PS2 and Wii is simple: Wii is more targeted for family entertainment, everyone is welcome. This has been Nintendo's staple since day one, with FAMIcom or FAMILY COMPUTER. To this day, every gamer has read about Nintendo's concept of kid-friendly games and family oriented games. Which is why many non-gaming casuals are flocking to the Wii because of it's image, not just its simplicity and fun factor its creating. And Which is why only some serious gamers and casual gamers are flocking to Wii. 

PS2 has been a machine known to have violent theme games as well as games for everyone, but clearly with titles like DMC, Twisted Metal Black, MGS2, FF series, R&C etc, they were all geared towards well informed gamers, not just the Gaming Casuals (the ones who know some info about games) as oppose to the Non-Gaming Casuals (Wii's expanded market, who know nothing about gaming at all, includes Grandparents, uncles, Parents, non gamers, etc).

There's NO guarantee the majority of the gaming casuals & serious gamers will accept or buy the games that will be on Wii since most don't care about 3rd party games on any Nintendo consoles (since N64) in the first place.  

I said all this yesterday, but Sheep don't seem to understand this (I had to differentiate Non-gaming Casual vs Gaming Casuals). 

[QUOTE="superkoolstud"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

360 and PS3 share a lot in common; ie, the same games, high end graphics and pricetags. MS pretty much walked in and cut Sony's marketshare in half, stole many of their third party exclusives (GTA, DMC 4 and counting)... and now niether brand is left with any real differentiation.... while Nintendo offers something different and is getting all of the glory.

Sony and MS are so busy fighting for scraps in the remaining console market that they lost sight of Nintendo who just walked in and stole the next gen prize without even breaking a sweat by expanding the market.

Of course, MS doesnt actually have a chance to win this generation (how can you without Japan or Europe lol), but they've helped take enough away from Sony to leave the door wide open for Nintendo... and the Wii's success just means a hell of a lot more games for us sheep once 3rd parties are finished playing catch up.

Thanks :)

M8ingSeezun

Keep dreaming, delusional Sheep :lol:

Fanboyism at its lowest :lol:

Its not delusion, Many companies have recently starting to put efforts into pumping out Wii titles BECAUSE IT IS THE TOP SELLER and we should see results in about a year. Do you not read the freaking news?

This is just like the PS2 even though the Xbox and GCN had better hardware and graphics PS2 got the majority of the games because it was the top seller.

Xbox and GC had better hardware...but NOT SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER. RE4 for PS2 is proven of that. GoW2 is proven of that.

Difference between PS2 and Wii is simple: Wii is more targeted for family entertainment, everyone is welcome. This has been Nintendo's staple since day one, with FAMIcom or FAMILY COMPUTER. To this day, every gamer has read about Nintendo's concept of kid-friendly games and family oriented games. Which is why many non-gaming casuals are flocking to the Wii because of it's image, not just its simplicity and fun factor its creating. And Which is why only some serious gamers and casual gamers are flocking to Wii.

PS2 has been a machine known to have violent theme games as well as games for everyone, but clearly with titles like DMC, Twisted Metal Black, MGS2, FF series, R&C etc, they were all geared towards well informed gamers, not just the Gaming Casuals (the ones who know some info about games) as oppose to the Non-Gaming Casuals (Wii's expanded market, who know nothing about gaming at all, includes Grandparents, uncles, Parents, non gamers, etc).

There's NO guarantee the majority of the gaming casuals & serious gamers will accept or buy the games that will be on Wii since most don't care about 3rd party games on any Nintendo consoles (since N64) in the first place.

I said all this yesterday, but Sheep don't seem to understand this (I had to differentiate Non-gaming Casual vs Gaming Casuals).

 What you don't realize is its the 3rd party dev who decides which system is kiddy and which is for the core. They make this decision by releasing games. GCN didn't have very many violent games and got the kiddy image because of it, it was also last place in sales. The goal of a dev is to sell as many copies of a game as possible and during the last gen it didn't make sense to release games for GCN.  This has all changed, now Wii is #1and at its current rate will surpass the 360's install base. Deevs realize this now and have come to the conclusion that if they don't make their games for Wii then they won't make much money. Hence the recent announcements of new violent games like Scarface World is Yours, Manhunt 2 and RE:UC. At first alot of ports will be released bcause it is the fastest way to get games out,Soon though more new titles will be announce. 

Nintendo is going to prevail over Microsoft as it has already prevailed over Sony twice.  

[QUOTE="superkoolstud"][QUOTE="KingsofQueens"][QUOTE="jedigemini"]

360 and PS3 share a lot in common; ie, the same games, high end graphics and pricetags. MS pretty much walked in and cut Sony's marketshare in half, stole many of their third party exclusives (GTA, DMC 4 and counting)... and now niether brand is left with any real differentiation.... while Nintendo offers something different and is getting all of the glory.

Sony and MS are so busy fighting for scraps in the remaining console market that they lost sight of Nintendo who just walked in and stole the next gen prize without even breaking a sweat by expanding the market.

Of course, MS doesnt actually have a chance to win this generation (how can you without Japan or Europe lol), but they've helped take enough away from Sony to leave the door wide open for Nintendo... and the Wii's success just means a hell of a lot more games for us sheep once 3rd parties are finished playing catch up.

Thanks :)

M8ingSeezun

Keep dreaming, delusional Sheep :lol:

Fanboyism at its lowest :lol:

Its not delusion, Many companies have recently starting to put efforts into pumping out Wii titles BECAUSE IT IS THE TOP SELLER and we should see results in about a year. Do you not read the freaking news?

This is just like the PS2 even though the Xbox and GCN had better hardware and graphics PS2 got the majority of the games because it was the top seller.

Xbox and GC had better hardware...but NOT SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER. RE4 for PS2 is proven of that. GoW2 is proven of that.

Difference between PS2 and Wii is simple: Wii is more targeted for family entertainment, everyone is welcome. This has been Nintendo's staple since day one, with FAMIcom or FAMILY COMPUTER. To this day, every gamer has read about Nintendo's concept of kid-friendly games and family oriented games. Which is why many non-gaming casuals are flocking to the Wii because of it's image, not just its simplicity and fun factor its creating. And Which is why only some serious gamers and casual gamers are flocking to Wii.

PS2 has been a machine known to have violent theme games as well as games for everyone, but clearly with titles like DMC, Twisted Metal Black, MGS2, FF series, R&C etc, they were all geared towards well informed gamers, not just the Gaming Casuals (the ones who know some info about games) as oppose to the Non-Gaming Casuals (Wii's expanded market, who know nothing about gaming at all, includes Grandparents, uncles, Parents, non gamers, etc).

There's NO guarantee the majority of the gaming casuals & serious gamers will accept or buy the games that will be on Wii since most don't care about 3rd party games on any Nintendo consoles (since N64) in the first place.

I said all this yesterday, but Sheep don't seem to understand this (I had to differentiate Non-gaming Casual vs Gaming Casuals).

 What you don't realize is its the 3rd party dev who decides which system is kiddy and which is for the core. They make this decision by releasing games. GCN didn't have very many violent games and got the kiddy image because of it, it was also last place in sales. The goal of a dev is to sell as many copies of a game as possible and during the last gen it didn't make sense to release games for GCN.  This has all changed, now Wii is #1and at its current rate will surpass the 360's install base. Deevs realize this now and have come to the conclusion that if they don't make their games for Wii then they won't make much money. Hence the recent announcements of new violent games like Scarface World is Yours, Manhunt 2 and RE:UC. At first alot of ports will be released bcause it is the fastest way to get games out,Soon though more new titles will be announce. 

Nintendo is going to prevail over Microsoft as it has already prevailed over Sony twice.  

I agree with TC. Sony sales would've been unprecedented if it was the only player in the high end console market. This could lead to Nintendo not having this wide sales advantage it has over Sony right now.

Also, high profile developers (like EA) wouldn't have pulled resources from PS3 development to work on Wii games if it weren't for this large gap in sales between the two consoles.

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

360 and PS3 share a lot in common; ie, the same games, high end graphics and pricetags. MS pretty much walked in and cut Sony's marketshare in half, stole many of their third party exclusives (GTA, DMC 4 and counting)... and now niether brand is left with any real differentiation.... while Nintendo offers something different and is getting all of the glory.

Sony and MS are so busy fighting for scraps in the remaining console market that they lost sight of Nintendo who just walked in and stole the next gen prize without even breaking a sweat by expanding the market.

Of course, MS doesnt actually have a chance to win this generation (how can you without Japan or Europe lol), but they've helped take enough away from Sony to leave the door wide open for Nintendo... and the Wii's success just means a hell of a lot more games for us sheep once 3rd parties are finished playing catch up.

Thanks :)

KingsofQueens

Keep dreaming, delusional Sheep :lol:

Fanboyism at its lowest :lol: