As PC improvements become more expensive and slows to a crawl; consoles to become more attractive?

PC will always rape consoles. For those who care about quality and want the best, PC is the only option. Consoles are secondary platforms for exclusives. I don't even consider the idea of having a console as a primary platform. Way too limiting and half-ass.

@BassMan: Typically I laugh at individuals who cannot come up with a better word than "rape" to describe said difference. I hope you are young and naive.

I don't have the time or interest to invest in a moderate to high-end PC so why would I. If a PS5/Xbox4 can offer Zen2 8c16t, 12-14tflop GPU, 16-24GB ram, SSD, UHD BD, 8K, and ray-tracing for $499 why would anyone bother with a pc.

Consoles haven't been sexy since the Mega-Drive.

Typically laugh at people who genuinely take system wars to heart and go to platform centric websites just to spam that shit on comments

No, there's always ways around it. They are having trouble with clock speeds, so they add more cores. While it has slowed down now, it's not forever.

Not much sure on these but I heard computers can have a paradigm shift with graphene and/or quantum computers?

@rzxv04: I know little about it, from what I understand they use Graphene to convert light into an electrical signal. It's theoretical possible to have it semiconductors down to 1.7nm compared to the current 7nm, which means we could see insane clock speeds. It's the next step before we just use pure light. I've read how they can get photons to act like protons/neutrons and electrons, but the energy needed was to much for use besides in a laboratory (for now).

@nfamouslegend: Laugh all you want. I really don't give a fuk. I say what I want and have never been known to be politically correct.

BassMan is the real MVP

Also, it seems like we're getting close that special time again for console fanboys to get insecure about PC at seems. Comparing the "power" of each other's favorite piece of plastic.

I don’t even see the need for PC anymore now that we’re seeing upgraded models of consoles and if the rumours are true, we’ll see them again next gen. Back in the day the differences were staggering, but now the lines have blurred that unless you’re a phile, you won’t see a difference. Certainly not a major difference to justify the high cost of pc gaming and the tweaking you have to do.

Basically, you only focus just 2 things, power & price, but nothing else. Me however, I focus on everything with lower prices on games, free online, open-house vs close house is very important to me on a PC. If I were you, I listen to @BassMan cause he's totally right about consoles.

I use my PC for more then just gaming in higher qualities and if you don't have the time to invest PC, then go buy pre-builds, that's what their build for.

@Sevenizz: The upgraded consoles were still shit.

Mighty X1X 4K BC GP MonsterBox is the only way to go.

It's good to be MasterRace. :P

@Juub1990: While I’m not sure how the ps4 pro stacks up to pc, the X1X has been praised as a great pc alternative so no, not ‘shit’.

@Sevenizz: Don’t care who praised it as a great PC alternative because almost nobody got an Xbox One X to replace their PC. It’s still a piece of crap that forces you to play at 30fps.

As the past few generations have shown, new consoles will be mid-high range PC hardware. They certainly won't have the best damn hardware PC's have available, thus they won't be capable of what the best damn PC's are capable of. It will be the same as the last few generations. Nothing for PC gaming will change.

All of these spec talks for PS5 are "up to" It's not going to do all of that at once. You're not getting 8K raytracing graphics in 60fps. It will be capable of 8K, meaning you could probably run the home screen at 8K and stream certain videos at 8K assuming your internet connection is fast enough. Gaming will likely be 1080p with raytracing, maybe 60fps, but I have my doubts. If we're lucky, they'll allow console gamers to toggle some things off. So you'll choose what you want, 4K/30fps no raytracing. 1080p/60fps no raytracing. 1080p/30fps with raytracing. That would be my guess. Some indie titles with very little in the way of graphics, or maybe some older games remastered could be 8K. But I doubt 8K will come into play much if at all.

Console manufacturers love to hype their consoles with a lot of buzzwords and half-truths. I'm certain the PS5 will be more powerful than the PS4, but I don't believe for a second that it will be the second-coming of gaming they're billing it as. When a high-end PC GPU alone costs $500+, you're not going to get an amazing gaming machine for something selling (at a profit) for $300-500 for the entire machine. Unless they are willing to bleed money like they did for most of the 360/PS3 generation, but it's doubtful both Sony/MS will go through that again. Either way, I'll get a PS5 at a later date for exclusive games only.

@Juub1990: And oh yea, another reason the avoid pc gaming. The community. Thanks for the reminder.

@Sevenizz: Lol because the console community is so much better. Get a clue.

@davillain-: PC. PC is more than adequate for any work I need to do. Not everyone is a graphic designer/developer.

You're confidence relying on upgrading consoles every 2 years will betray you.

Except with a fraction of the games, genres, controls, mods and the ability to multitask... and cheaper games.

Yea, such a good replacement! the worst console of this generation.

PC gaming is dead...

Unless you love indie games and dating sims. Go download steam then.

@davillain-: Based on what I've learned about the PS5 specs by the time it comes out in the next year or two its GPU will be be on the mid range side. Even the mid gen console upgrades were on par with mid range PC hardware at the time of release. Pretty much all anyone that has built a gaming PC in the last 4-5 years has to do is upgrade to a new GPU and add more RAM if they only have 8GB.

I like how he's relying on upgraded consoles in the first place. Already tells you that he isn't confident the new consoles will even rival high end PCs on launch. I also find funny that for decades console gamers have talked only needing one system and no upgrades and being able to upgrade on PC was a downside now here they are anticipating upgraded consoles.

Yep just look at them talking about how it makes PC gaming pointless because the power gap is now smaller. If that were the case PC gaming wouldn't be getting bigger and bigger every year. There are many other reasons and benefits to play on PC besides graphics even then the gap between PC and consoles will start growing again as new hardware comes out every year over course the generation. It seems they never learn. Are you ready to see a bunch of tech illiterate people now tell you how you're wrong about how powerful their console is and how tech buzzwords like GDDR6 or Navi now suddenly makes it the most powerful console ever and once devs magically optimize for it they beat PC hardware 4 times more powerful than it?

It is quite funny that console gamers always saw upgrading as a downside, and now they are anticipating and hoping for mid-gen upgrades. It's almost like they didn't know what they were talking about before they actually experienced it; but who does that? Certainly they don't downplay something before experiencing it, right?

It will be the same as it has always been: consoles will be the cheap option for casuals, while PC is for the passionate enthusiast.

Some people like the Toyota Corolla, some people want a six-cylinder Mustang, while others want a Corvette. There's nothing wrong with any of those cars until you start thinking something is wrong with any of those cars. Just STFU and let people enjoy what they want while secretly thinking they're dumb for spending more on a better experience, you petty shits.

And upgrading PC is a choice after all. You only upgrade when you think you need to, if your PC is doing what exactly as you wanted to, then it's doing it's job. The purpose of a console is to not worry stuff like that but look at where we are now, console gamers didn't need to upgrade from PS4/Xbox One to PS4 Pro/Xbox One X but they did it anyway. I for one never need upgrading to the Pro cause I only use PS4 for exclusives. I also find it funny console gamers still gotta pay online gaming while PC still remains free online which is the best thing on PC, power is a subjective.

The good news is that unlike cars consoles and PC for gaming are becoming less differential with each gen. Next gen is going to make the difference between the two platforms smaller than ever before.

With every new gen comes the console fanboys expecting consoles that are $2k super pc's for $400. No wonder you people are so easy to milk for cash.

There will always be a hardware gap between PCs and consoles for the very simple reason that consoles must lock their tech in for the life of the system whereas PCs can be upgraded piecemeal as new components are released.

I will be honest: I won't be happy no matter how close they get until there are more cross-platform titles. There is absolutely zero reason why I should not be playing the Division 2 on my PC with my friends on their x-boxes and playstations.

In fact, the closer they get in hardware and capability, the more upset I get about it. It's just marketing at this point, marketing and maintaining whatever petty exclusivity edge you might have. Which isn't really an edge at all, just a cudgel to be held over people's heads.

Literally the opposite of this thread is actually happening... The consoles lack of high end hardware and the locked performance and lack of higher refresh rates is what has created the high amount of NEW YOUNG gamer's and streamers leaning more towards PC's than consoles than ever before.

Also price, you console gamer's need to understand price is only a concern for consoles because a high proportion of console gamer's is parents buying them for children, adults spend $5-600 on a new phone a year and $150 on a pair of trainers without a breaking a sweat. The price argument is literally only valid on forums in the real world no one really cares if they are into gaming they will buy a $600 PS5 if it happened.

People thought PC gaming would die when in reality consoles are on life support with products like Stadia on the horizon the conventional console will go the way of the dodo. PC gaming on the other hand will always have a market because they same benefits apply compared to a streaming console i.e. performance and customisation.

I find it funny how delusional console gamer's are, its like your oblivious to the fact that consoles are marketed towards parents buying it for pre-teens I mean the last truly dominating console won because of Wii sports.

I can see a future where the last true gamer's all lean towards PC and the consoles are streaming services filled with reboots and cash grabs with no soul with in the next 2-3 generations.

@rzxv04 Only a person that doesn’t understand technology could say such a thing. Gaming is the only hobby where people can consume the medium without having a damn clue how any of it works. And the “journalist” in the hobby are no better. It’s all baffling to me.

Cool. Thanks for the short explanation. I sadly don't fully understand the value of getting photons to act as either among the three. Something about photons that can have no mass opposed to electrons?

yes PCs will always "rape"consoles, but thats only if you spend $1500 on your PC.

I spend a lot more than $1500, but I am an enthusiast and do not expect many to spend similar. You don't need to spend $1500 to get something that is superior to consoles. If you buy a cheap console, it will be shit. If you buy a cheap PC, it will also be shit. You get what you pay for. Each person can spend for their own needs or budget on PC. They are not limited to shit hardware like on consoles.

And you only get the X1X if you buy the X1X... Your logic is flawed. You get what you pay for when it comes to performance and visuals in gaming and that includes consoles. When the PS4 and X1X Launched a PC's with HD 7850/7870 would match them which where $500-600 PC's and now the X1X and PS4 Pro can be matched by $450-550 PC's (RX 570 for pro - 1660 for x1x)

Make no mistake a PS5 will run not much better than the specifications below:

A PS5 will be a $800 PC performance from 2019 and the console is coming what 2020-2021?... Its great for price to performance as usual but since console took the path of X86 they are out dated the moment they hit the selves due to TDP, Price and manufacturing time.

Lets put it in another way everyone's is hyped for Navi right?... Well its GCN based, its not new tech at all now guess what AMD will launch after?... On their road map its called Next Gen so by the time the PS5 is 2 years old their will be hardware out drastically faster on PC sure it comes with a price but nothing will change, consoles will always loose and to match them you don't NEED 1500 PC's.

Yeah I don't understand it either lol.

I just hope we do get that breakthrough and prices don't jack up too much. Thanks for sharing.

@rzxv04: no problem. Expect a huge price jump. Graphene is $100 a gram, copper on the other hand is around $8 a kilo. The technology is pretty much here but the cost isn't.

I'm very curious to know, who claimed that the Xbox ONE X and PC are close to each other? Because you clearly don't understand the massive difference between a high end gaming PC and an Xbox ONE X.

You don't actually know that, you are just talking out of your hole, stop talking about things you don't know kid.

I feel like PC gaming is in a very good place atm, ports are way better then they used to be. Plus everything is basically plug n play these days

Consoles have lost a lot of what them special I think. Constant updates, mandatory game installs, midgen upgrades.

the power gap between consoles and high end PCS will narrow considerably going forward compared to previous generations. performance increases are smaller and take much longer than ever on both the cpu and gpu front. we are also nearly at the end of silicon shrinkage. whether or not this translates to consoles taking a bigger % of the market i dont know

Someone already linked you the difference between X1X Division 2 and PC version. That's not even mentioning how much better lighting is with ray tracing, and how much it absolutely destroys the console versions. It's your choice to stay willfully ignorant.

If only the majority of gamers cared about the marginal differences in graphics between platforms.

If I have to take a guess, it was probably Ron who made that claimed Xbox One X will be on par with GTX 1070 and that's were this whole claimed being closer to PC started from and alot of Xbox fans believe him.

He mentioned graphics. I don't care what the majority care about.