Asking 360 fans a series of questions.

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off?

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you?

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok? 

6. How many of you actually played a PS3?

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right?

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing? 

2. I don't see how the PS3 is a better machine for displaying your media on your home entertainment center. It plays Blu-Ray dvd's out of the box, which is why you're paying that extra money. But as a multimedia device, at this time I believe the 360 to be superior. Heck, you can take full advantage of the 360's multimedia abilities while playing a game. Custom soundtracks.

6. I have played a PS3, no worries.

sorry but no one cares about hidef formats, if they did dvd sales wouldnt be good, so who wants to replace all the dvd's they just compiled for a format that should have waited a little longer

and who really needs all the extra crap just to play good games

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

shungokustasu

Are you serious? I think you take this too serious. I don't consider anyone my enemy just because they like something that is different than me. You should really stop and take a look at yourself. You may find some of the same things in yourself that you profess to hate about others. Just a thought.

Your mistake is that you're letting the fanboys get to you, or you're legitimately trying to understand their reasoning, of which there isn't any.  Just ignore them.  The only reason I have a 360 and not a PS3 is because of game preference, and just because I like everything about it more.  Not that it's "better".  It's just better for me.

rykaziel

I agree for the most part, especially regarding the games. But I stand by my point that the PS3 isn't the multimedia monster it was played out to be.

who needs blu ray or hddvd when you can download hi def movies and tv shows on the 360?cwalters

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

shungokustasu

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

Waitstation 3 because cows are still waiting for a very good exclusive game.

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off?

Paying 200 for bluray, no thanks, I don't like getting forced to purchase the bluray format.

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you?

I do not apply for this question.

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

PS3 will not fail, but at this point in time it deserves to.

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok? 

I never really praise those 360 games, those PS3 games are nothing to brag about either.

6. How many of you actually played a PS3?

Yes at a friends house.

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right?

Mass effect, Oblivion, are both done on 9GB and are huge, and disc swapping is not a big deal.

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing?

PS3 is expensive, they are forcing you bluray, and no real games appeal to me from it, oh and online is important to me and PS3's online is nowhere near 360's live. 

shungokustasu

[QUOTE="cwalters"]who needs blu ray or hddvd when you can download hi def movies and tv shows on the 360?smokeydabear076

no you dont, and no one else does either

Enemies? Wow, some people take this way too seriously :P

1.PS fans are just waiting longer than everyone else is. Down in 360 land, people are enjoying AAA-exclusives and a huge number of great games, while the ps3 doesn't have many games out right now.

2. For $200 extra, you're getting a media center. However, people buy the 360 to play games, not always to watch movies and play music and other things. For someone who already has a high-class DVD or HD movie player, the extra $200 really isn't worth it.

3. Honestly, I think the jrpg-factor was blown way out of proportion. Personally, the only JRPG I've liked is the FF-series, and I can enjoy most of those games on the ps2. The jrpgs are merely a plus in the very promising game library of the 360. If all I wanted in a next gen console were jrpgs, I would probably have chosen a ps3.

4. The gamecube and xbox didn't have a chance with the ps2 last gen. If sony fails this gen, they will hopefully rethink their marketing and give the ps4 something that the ps2 had loads of: good games.

5. This probably has to do with GS scores. Also, the fact that ps fans hyped those games as AAA just ruined the want for those games. Just think of Fable. It was a decent rpg, but it only got an 8.6, so people went around saying it was the worst game ever.

6. I've played the ps3. In fact, a few of my friends own ps3's.

7. RE4 was on multiple discs and it's still one of the best games ever. Believe me, if the need ever comes, devs will know how to deal with less disc space.

8. Microsoft is racking up exclusives for their two awesome platforms: the pc and the 360. However, sony is losing exclusives by the bucket. The games that I'd want a ps3 for (devil may cry, assassin's creed, etc.) are mostly coming to the 360 now. However, the games I'd want for the 360 (mass effect, gears of war, bioshock, etc.) aren't moving to the ps3 anytime soon. Also, I think xbox live is one of the best unified online systems out there, and the ps3 just can;t compete as well with their free online. If sony were to offer a paying service with dedicated servers, it might be worth checking out. Other than that, the points you mentioned are definitely in both consoles.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="cwalters"]who needs blu ray or hddvd when you can download hi def movies and tv shows on the 360?cwalters

no you dont, and no one else does either

[QUOTE="cwalters"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="cwalters"]who needs blu ray or hddvd when you can download hi def movies and tv shows on the 360?smokeydabear076

no you dont, and no one else does either

nope, cuz in 2 years they ll release a green ray or something else so everyone will just stick with dvd

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="cwalters"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="cwalters"]who needs blu ray or hddvd when you can download hi def movies and tv shows on the 360?cwalters

no you dont, and no one else does either

nope, cuz in 2 years they ll release a green ray or something else so everyone will just stick with dvd

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

I don't use it but I know why it's used. Yes I am waiting for great games. But I'm also playing great games. Not saying you're not.

 

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off? I believe it's a rip-off because I have no use for most of what the PS3 offers other than the games. I thought $400 was a bit too much but I couldn't wait. The 360 had games I wanted to play.

 

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you? I am not a huge Jrpg fan but I don't hate the genre. I had all systems last-gen and just went with the best games for me not taking genre into consideration.

 

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

High price tag. But I don't tink it's gonna fail.

 

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok? To be honest, Tekken DR is the only game I would buy on that list of PS3 games. CoD 2 and Dead Rising are buys IMO.

 

6. How many of you actually played a PS3? I have but I have yet to play Resistance which is the assumed Killer-App.

 

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right? It's working so far. And Compression technology will continue to get better.

 

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing?  I'm only a follower of MS because that's what a Lemming is in SW. Really I just want the best games. IMO 360 has that with great online. PS3 and Wii does not interest me. Simple as that.

shungokustasu

nope, cuz in 2 years they ll release a green ray or something else so everyone will just stick with dvd

cwalters

For a new format to succeed, one of two things needs to happen. Either they price needs to be the same (or go down *gasp* ), or they need to change the way the media looks. If Blu-Ray wasn't a "DVD lookin' thingy" and was a small cube, the size of dice, that was translucent and blue, it would be selling like hot cakes.

You don't think the change from VHS to DVD was partly due to the media's appearence? Of course it was. The average consumer isn't as educated on these types of things. To grandma, Blu-Ray looks like a more expensive "DVD".

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

We had good games almost from launch. From COD2 to PGR3 and PDZ. Greater games are what we are waiting for.

 

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off?

Pushing format into people is never cool. Sony LOVES that from UMD to Memory Sticks. Why, just so they can force you into something. If HD-DVD fails, MS will launch a Blue Ray player for the 360, if Blue ray fails.... I am paying extra for something I dont really need.

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you?

JRPGs - As of right now the Blue Dragon is > anything the PS3 has.

 

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

PS3 won't fail. They just have TONS of fanboys who buy anything with a Playstation tag attached to it. PSP included.

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok?

Motorstorm was hyped as AAA goodness and COWs actually compare R:FOM to GEOW. These games are ok, but thats what they are OK.

6. How many of you actually played a PS3?

Played it, its an OK machine, but for U$600 seems a bit much right now.

 

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right?

True. More space is always better. But at what cost. Developers can probaly squeeze everything on a DVD-9 disk nowadays. Blue ray will pave way for buggy unoptimized gaming. Vanguard anyone?

 

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing?

No PSN is not Xbox Live. Not even close. It may be in the future. It is just that Sony promissed 4D, theraflop goodness which we are just not seeing.

It is 2007 and you have a racer without split screen racing? C'mon....

shungokustasu

[QUOTE="cwalters"]

nope, cuz in 2 years they ll release a green ray or something else so everyone will just stick with dvd

musicalmac

For a new format to succeed, one of two things needs to happen. Either they price needs to be the same (or go down *gasp* ), or they need to change the way the media looks. If Blu-Ray wasn't a "DVD lookin' thingy" and was a small cube, the size of dice, that was translucent and blue, it would be selling like hot cakes.

You don't think the change from VHS to DVD was partly due to the media's appearence? Of course it was. The average consumer isn't as educated on these types of things. To grandma, Blu-Ray looks like a more expensive "DVD".

This is a very good point.  The jump from tape to CD was a lot like VHS to DVD.  The media physically looked completely different.  It looked futuristic, looked expensive, looked cool.  

Blu-ray and HD-DVD's look exactly the same.  To an uninformed consumer, there really isn't that much of a difference, and some people CAN'T tell the difference between the video quality of the two, so it becomes even more meaningless to them. 

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

But the PS3 launch was about as bad as the GameCubes. Resistence was the only "killer app" then, and it hasn't really gained another one since. Hence, PS3 owners are "waiting" for the next big title.

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off?

The PS3 is worth the money... if you're looking for a big multimedia hub. But for those who don't care about Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, the PS3 is a rip-off for just a gaming machine. Want a Blu-Ray player? Great. Get a PS3. Dont care about HD movies? Then why spend $200 on something that does you no good?

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you?

Blue Dragon and Eternal Sonata are both looking real good. They could be a change in direction on the JRPG front. Not to mention I beat Enchanted Arms about 6 months before the PS3 got it.

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

 It ISN'T evident that it won't go the way of other dead consoles? Lackluster sales, poor games catalog, and 3rd party exclusives leaving Sony aren't exactly touting Sony's dominance this gen. Cross that with the ever-popular $600 US price tag and a next-gen media player that probably won't be anything but a niche item (algon with HD-DVD) and they're not exactly inspiring confidence.

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok?

Because most of those games have a counterpart on the 360. Racers and sports games are a dime a dozen. Virtual Figter will be out in a month or two, and R:FOM by is countered be Gears. The question is "Why would a person strictly interested in gaming want to spend $200 US more to play pretty much the same games? Most people in ANY country don't have the disposable income to afford BOTH the 360 and PS3.

6. How many of you actually played a PS3?

I can't speak for the others, but I have, and it's hasn't impressed me yet. The games just aren't there and graphics aren't the most important thing to me. Neither is it's multimedia package for that matter.

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right?

Blu-Ray is NOT NEEDED FOR GAMING. Whether it's creating better compression or *gasp* getting off my lazy butt for 5 seconds to change a disc, Blu-Ray doesn't offer ANYTHING to a gamer (with exception to slightly better load times in most instances, but if load times were THAT important we'de either still be using carts, or the GameCube would have RULED last gen).Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are REALLY nice for movies and TV shows, but no real reason for it's use in games.

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing?

"Great 3rd party support" is the only thing you mention that has a REAL draw to ALL people who play games. Most people don't have HD TVs yet. Many people don't like playing online, and if they don't dig online play, they don't care about the community.

It all boils down to games and price. GameCube had the price but few games. That's why it failied. PS2 had both, that's why it won. Wii HAS both, that's why it's doing so well, and why most people predict it's continued success.

The 360 has a full year's worth of games more than the PS3 does, and it has them at a price tag $200 US less than Sony. Not to mention a LOT of PS3 "exclusives" aren't so exclusive anymore. So the argument comes to, price and exclusives. Sony has a BIG price and lacking/losing exclusives while the 360 has a price people are getting comfortable with and gaining games daily.

My solution? Wii + DS + 360 = I've got more games than I know what to do with. And it cost me $750. 3 great systems for a little more than the price of 1 great system. But that was my coice. People need to make their own.

shungokustasu

I know all of my points are arguable to preference, but those are answers. Oh, and I'm not a lemming. 

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]

[QUOTE="cwalters"]

nope, cuz in 2 years they ll release a green ray or something else so everyone will just stick with dvd

rykaziel

For a new format to succeed, one of two things needs to happen. Either they price needs to be the same (or go down *gasp* ), or they need to change the way the media looks. If Blu-Ray wasn't a "DVD lookin' thingy" and was a small cube, the size of dice, that was translucent and blue, it would be selling like hot cakes.

You don't think the change from VHS to DVD was partly due to the media's appearence? Of course it was. The average consumer isn't as educated on these types of things. To grandma, Blu-Ray looks like a more expensive "DVD".

This is a very good point.  The jump from tape to CD was a lot like VHS to DVD.  The media physically looked completely different.  It looked futuristic, looked expensive, looked cool.  

Blu-ray and HD-DVD's look exactly the same.  To an uninformed consumer, there really isn't that much of a difference, and some people CAN'T tell the difference between the video quality of the two, so it becomes even more meaningless to them. 

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

You wait for anything good in life, but the 360 now has Gears of War, Lost Planet, Condemned, FEAR, Oblivion, Prey, Quake IV, Crackdown, Saint's Row, Dead Rising, WWE SVR 07, Viva Pinata, Kameo, PDZ, PGR3, DOA4, GH2, and Forza 2 (very soon) all on one console. Sure these aren't all great games, but they are good enough to warrant a purchase.

 

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off?

I think the PS3 is a great console and that is why I own one, but thanks to XBL, the Blu-ray drive is actually out of date. Digital distribution is the future, and XBL allows you to download HD movies and shows. PS3 has the better CPU, and the 360 has the better GPU. It's a win-win and lose-lose situation here.

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you?

I would have to say you are wrong here. Lost Planet, Dead Rising, DMC4, Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery, and much more is on the way from Japanese devs. :)

 

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

I think the PS3 will succeed, and could very well outsell the 360 in years to come.

 

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok? 

Those are great 360 games, but the only good PS3 games you listed were VF5, Motorstorm, and Resistance. Tiger Woods....hardly! The 360 has it too.

 

6. How many of you actually played a PS3?

Look at the sig, and my past posts.

 

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right?

Blu-ray will help, but it isn't needed. You can always use multiple discs if you must. I have no problem with it.

 

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing? 

I like both consoles. but I can't say the same for you after you said the PS3 has more Japanese support then the 360. I have yet to see that. Most of the Japanese games I want to play are coming to the 360.

shungokustasu

Codename33 "4. The gamecube and xbox didn't have a chance with the ps2 last gen. If sony fails this gen, they will hopefully rethink their marketing and give the ps4 something that the ps2 had loads of: good games."

 I think we're all forgetting a little thing - the PS3 has been out for 6 months!!!  Let's give it a little while before you start writing off the games.

Think about it this way - PS2 was released in 2000. Seven years later, it's still got classic, highly-rated exclusives coming out.  FF series for one, God of War 1 and 2. 

 How bout you give the PS3 a chance to get its feet wet? 

And if you're going to say anything about the wii, first answer how many adult exclusives does it have that are highly rated?

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

Yeah but the lemmings actually have games to play while they wait not to mention superior multiplat versions barring a few exceptions.

 

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off?

I can't speak for anyone else but myself but I play video games my computer is all the multimedia I will ever need.

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you?

The 360 has more JRPG's right now and coming out if you hadn't noticed.

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

Its not going to fail I agree with this.

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok?

Tiger Woods is on 360, Tekken DR is okay but lemmings have DOA4 (online), lemmings are getting VF5 and also still have DOA4 (online) RFOM is good but lemmings have GeOW, and Motorstorm come on, like Crackdown those games aren't anything special. All those games you listed for 360 aren't on PS3 and are AA.

6. How many of you actually played a PS3?

I've played it I own it. Truthfully even if you haven't most of the games are on 360 at this point and time anyways.

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right?

Use 2 DVD's then. There goes your arguement about it not being needed. But what about open free roaming you say? Oh wait that was still done in FFVII with disc swapping. Blu-Ray is a luxary not a need period. If Blu-Ray was needed then the PC would be using it. Wait the PC has a standard HDD you say? So does PS3. So in the end even PS3 doesn't need Blu-Ray.

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing?

Its not doing them as well. Nobody needs two systems that are trying to achieve the same goal. Microsoft came out first and his the better games at this time. The PS3 can't simply offer the same thing and expect to win seeing as how its $200 more expensive. It needs to offer something better which isn't on the 360.

shungokustasu

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

A:  because now that the ps3 has failed to live up to the hype the excuses consisted of "just wait"... people don't want to pay $600 to wait for something that may or may not live up to the hype.

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off?

A:  yes. The 360's interface is better, IPTV coming to it, downloadable movies, and a music visualizer to name a few.... i don't see a movie player as a "multi media" machine simply because it plays movies...

 

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you?

A:  because there are no jrpg games worth the extra $200 needed to play on a ps3.

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

A: The ps3 has failed to penetrate 2% of their last gen marketbase.  Not good. Failure? not yet... but it sure looks like it's coming...

 

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok? 

A: the enjoyment of a particular game is subjective depending on the player.  So we depend on review scores. And the scores of 360 games are consistently higher. 

6. How many of you actually played a PS3?

A: Briefly.  I would have been impressed if it was $299... Not impressed at $600...

 

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right?

A: Sony never said bluray was needed for gaming. 

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing? 

A; It's not that we hate the ps3 for doing the same thing, it's just that the ps3 hasn't lived up to the level of the 360 for those features, all while sony publicly mocked MS for attempting these things in the past. 

my two...:)

shungokustasu

I'm going to say this in all honesty - I agree with you for the most part. Some of the things you've said are very true. They are the weaknesses of the 360 and strengths of the ps3, just like the 360 has strengths and ps3 weaknesses. 

As for the games thing, I agree, but that's just fanboy talk.  

"Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies."

That is a pretty pathetic statement and diminshes your entire post. You shouldn't have any enemies here. Just people with opposing points of view.

Get it straight dude.

1. Cows are pretty much responsible for this mantra.  "Wait till the ps3 comes out in march, wait till e3, wait till tgs, wait till the systems released, wait till march again, wait till MGS4 is released."

2. $200 is 4 games or even a whole nother system (wii).  Also most people will admit that $400 for the 360 is pretty steep cash, what do you think is going to happen when you add 1/3 of the price to something that you already consider expensive.

3. Mistwalker.

4. $600, dissapointing sales, and losing support fast.  Sounds like a recipe for failure to me

5. About the only game lemmings hyped to the point of R:FOM and Motorstorm is Blue Dragon which isn't bad just not selling as well as expected (sort of like Okami).  If cows are going to hype games like Motorstorm, and Lair they'd better start making sure these games aren't just sony marketing hype, or they're gonna get made fun of when the game doesn't get AAA.

6. I've got a friend that own one, so I get to play it quite a bit.

7. if you take into account the load speeds blu-ray really don't have any advantage over the 360 except you can fit HD CGI cut scenes which I'm not that impressed w/ anyway.  I'd much rather have real-time renders like gears, and the MGS4 trailer.

8. MS for the most part has actually done something about becoming a media center console, online, and interconectivity.  All I've seen is a couple 1/2 assed features and a bunch of PR from sony.

"Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies."

That is a pretty pathetic statement and diminshes your entire post. You shouldn't have any enemies here. Just people with opposing points of view.

Get it straight dude.

heretrix

Exactly!

First of all, seeing the questions I think you should have put "asking lemmings" in the title, because not all 360 fans are like this.

1. Waitstation is mainly because you wait for something, but when the date finally comes to relieve you from the horror of waiting, you have to wait even more. Examples: getting some good showing of the PS3 (wait for E3 05, wait for E306, wait for launch, wait for 2007 etc.) and waiting for the launch itself.

2. The 200$ extra is put into things us 360 fans think we don't need. We don't desperately need that blu ray drive for example if all those games fit onto a cheap dvd9 drive. Also most of us probably use our PC for multimedia as we have always done, except for the games part.

3. Well, right now the PS3 isn't shining in that department too mind you. Besides the xbox 360 has already got a well reviewed (in japan) jrpg, and lost odyssey is looking good too. Maybe a real jrpg lover just can't miss those games? (not that I'm a jrpg lover).

4. You can't deny it's not looking great for the PS3. Surely the fanbase will pull the PS3 through this hard period, but as a console the PS3 isn't looking attractive at the moment. This may change in the future of course.

5. The PS3 games you mention are good, but just not the big system sellers. If you look at good game, the xbox 360 has quite an arsenal, and the PS3 hasn't got too many good games still to counter it. I'm not saying those x360 games are better than those PS3 games anyways.

6. Didn't play it myself (live in europe, that's mainly why), but I'll take the word from all those reviewers until I've done so.

7. Yes, you can only compress so much, but if a game like oblivion fits very easily on one disc, and mass effect will fit onto it too, and on top of that compression methods will improve over time, I really think it isn't worth the extra money. Maybe there will be some games in the years to come to have multiple discs, but in that case I don't mind changing those discs if it means having to spend 100$ or so less.

8. I look at the best product. IMO right now it's the x360. Also, as both are doing the same things with gaming, why need both? Also much of the disliking towards sony comes from their marketing.

I think that should answer everything right there.

Oh, and by the way, I don't really consider myself a lemming. I'm considering buying a wii too when the next wave of games land, and maybe the PS3 when the price drops significantly. I just always look at my purchase objectively.

good post :)

1. Never heard of that joke b4.

2. yes

3. Get over it, they chose right.

4. It forces you to buy a load of extras and junk you don't need for a crazy price, which you could get in a 360 for much cheaper.

5. Great? I laugh at you.

6. Me, and it failed in comparison to 360.

7.You don't need a load of Disc space as much as blu ray.

8. nope

Oh and I more thing relating to your bluray question. Bluray's and PS3's future are linked, unlike HD-DVD and Xbox. If bluray fails, PS3 fails. However, if HD-DVD fails, xbox still remains.

TC ran away.....

anamnawshad

Tha'ts because, he got:

...and AB_Uppercut helped :lol:

Just want to know some answers to some of my questions about the point of views of the 360 fanbase about this gen war. I like to understand my enemies.

1. Waitstation? Why the joke? PS fans are use to waiting for great games to come, but the good things is they always come. Is not true that you guys waiting for great games too(Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock)?

 

2. Do you really think a system that is $200 less is a better multi-media function? Are you saying that $200 extra we paying we getting ripped-off?

 

3. This is for the Jrpg lovers who bought a 360. Why go with the system with the least Japanese support for the genre you love? Why would you ignore the great Jrpg games that are on the PS3? You do love Jrpgs do you?

 

4. Why would you think PS3 will fail? Isn't already evident that it will not go the way of Dreamcast, Neo-Geo, or 3DO?

 

5. How come you can say great games like PDZ, Kameo, Dead Rising, and Call of Duty 2 are ok, but when a PS3 fan says that we have great games like Tiger Wood, Tekken DR, Virtua Fighter, R:FOM, and Motorstorm those are not ok? 

 

6. How many of you actually played a PS3?

 

7. You saying blu-ray is not need. You do know you can only compress so much right?

 

8. Lastly, You a big supporter of what Microsoft doing with the Xbox360. That means you understand the direction they want to take the Xbox franchise, right? Great 3rd party support, HD gaming, Online gameplay, and Community interactions. If follow all that then why do you dislike the PS3? Is it not doing the same thing? 

shungokustasu

1. I've never made that joke.

2. You are getting great value for your money.  Blu-Ray is expensive.

3. Well, I'm not a JRPG lover.

4. I don't think the PS3 is going to fail, but I'm not a fortune-teller.

5. When did I say that.

6. I played it.

7. I never said that.

8. I don't dislike the PS3.  I plan on getting one if more interesting exclusives release.

I guess this quiz was meant for the fanatic ignorant 360 fanboys.  I'm a fanboy, but I don't hate the PS3 at all. 

everyone knows you're an xbox-hater. You deliberately left the sheep out so that the lemmings would look like the bad guys while the sheep are the ones who bash ps3 the most...SpaceDragonMan

[QUOTE="SpaceDragonMan"]everyone knows you're an xbox-hater. You deliberately left the sheep out so that the lemmings would look like the bad guys while the sheep are the ones who bash ps3 the most...Jandurin

Yes they do.

[QUOTE="SpaceDragonMan"]everyone knows you're an xbox-hater. You deliberately left the sheep out so that the lemmings would look like the bad guys while the sheep are the ones who bash ps3 the most...Jandurin

yes they do. I've mostly seen aggression towards Playstation/Sony by nintendo fanboys. I'm not saying that lemmings don't bash ps3, but sheep do it alot more because they have become arrogant since E3 2006...

TC bailed quicker then a PS3 3rd party dev...DXGreat1_HGL

6) own a ps3 and harly ever play it, its UNDER the shelf of my 360

and the only reaon i got ps3 is cause i won it in a carnival, but the 360 i bought myself:P

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]TC bailed quicker then a PS3 3rd party dev...11Marcel

yeah, but atleast ps3 has some 3rd party support, unlike nintendo 

1) The joke comes from the promised Worldwide launch and the fact that PS3 owners are still waiting for a killer app while the other systems have blown far past the likes of the PS3.

2) At least the 360 and Wii don't force you to pay the 200 for multimedia functions you may or may not want just to play games on their system. And then Sony got rid of the cheaper option.

3) Just because someone loves JRPGs doesn't mean that they are only going to want to play JRPGs. There is such a thing as a gamer who likes different types of games, and it's not like the 360 won't have any to play.

4) How is it evident it won't fail? I think it's far from evident, even more so with the discontinued 20gb in america and the terrible euro sales over the last couple weeks.

5) I'm not going to call those games bad games, but the 360 has ones better than the ones you just named. The PS3 does not.

6) I have. It was fine. I played a 360. It rocked. (played resistance and GoW)

7) Have you not seen the articles and posts showing just how much of a growth games can and will actually have? You think Microsoft would go with DVD-9 if it thought for one minute they wouldn't be able to put games on them in 2009? And even if they can't, no one **** when FFVIII was on what, 3 discs? 4?

8) Great third party support is something the xbox is improving upon. Third party support for the ps3 however, is declining. Also whether it costs money or not, live trumps all other online gaming systems on consoles.