At this stage any Dev who says PS3 is "too hard" are just talentless d

[QUOTE="Bangerman15"]dont most of the 360 and ps3 multiplats look and run better on the 360 except for dragon age and ff13?? well thats what i always seem to read and see anyways. but really whats the point of ur post, i havent heard any developers say recently that the ps3 is too hard to develop for XDTheSterls

LMAO what? Darksiders is another I can think that was better on the PS3 but most are about equal .

Actually I did research on Darksiders upon its launch... and the 360/PS3 versions were almost identical, however the 360 had better colors & lighting and the PS3 had less screen tearing. And the screen tearing was apparently addressed in a patch after launch... so as it stands 360 >>> PS3 when Darksiders is considered.

Darksiders is a damn good game, that any mature Zelda fan should play. No I didn't just call Zelda kiddy... but it is more kid friendly obviously.

its a fact.. Dice, Infinity Ward, Square and Capcom are top rate 3rd party devs that can develop for the PS3 no problem and have the PS3 versions look and run just as better and in some cases than the 360 version. On top of that all the 1st/2nd party devs that develop games for the PS3 that is unmatched on other consoles in terms of visuals and overall presentation and even gameplay. If this was 2007 i would completly understand devs having a hard time to develop for the PS3. But if after 4 years and you still arent good enough to develop for the PS3 then frankly the game doesnt deserve to be made by such devs for the PS3. the best 3rd party devs in the business like Dice, Infinity ward, Square, Bioware and Capcom can all develop for the PS3 with no problems whatsoever. No excuse why some devs should be scared and/or lazy to develop for the PS3.SocomChris50

Valve is regarded by many, including myself, as one of the most influential, talented, and innovative Developers in the history of Game Developers. It's not that Valve couldn't make a game for PS3 or somehow "lazy" as you put it, but the fact remains, the Source engine(that Valve designed to run all of their games and it's an amazing modular engine) isn't made for the PS3, it's made for PC architecture, in which the 360 shares in commonality for the most part. Sony has a record of lousy 3rd party support in the past(and still to this day by comparison to others), and has a superiority complex that's gotten knocked down a peg or two from the 360 this generation in the console race.

With the Source engine, which is the basis and foundation of Valves games, is not made to work flawlessly with the PS3's hardware, more specifically it's management of RAM. This is NOT Valve's problem, this is Sony's issue for not giving Valve the massive support needed to port the engine correctly and adequately to the PS3's hardware.In reality, this is what it comes down to. Valve doesn't release anything but top quality, much like Blizzard, so as it stands, the way the Source engine relates to the PS3 is unacceptable to what they deem necessary in order to place their name on it. I'd never fault Valve for not wanting to put a game out just to sell copies, when it does not stand up to the Valve name brand. Sony had and has every opportunity to get on board with Valve to work with them, but they have refused to offer the support needed, and because of this, Valve's Gabe Newell spoke out about Sony after their relations went south, and I don't blame them at all. Also, it's not Valve's job to accommodate Sony's controversial hardware decisions.

I love my PS3, but I don't expect every developer to cater to them. The reason why games like Uncharted 2 look and work so great with the PS3 is that it is made with the system's limitations and strength in mind. The same can be said for console multi-platforms, developers develop around the PS3 and 360 in many cases in order to insure proper performance.

Lastly, and most importantly, Valve doesn't need Sony, they have the PC market in concrete, STEAM, plus the lucrative 360 market. If anything, Sony needs Valve(L4D, HL, Portal 2, and numerous future titles). In the future, with the next iteration of the Source engine, look for Sony to work with Valve in a more, should I say, humble manor.

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="akbar13"]

What is with all the new accounts today?

EndorphinMaster

and Kenny

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA

ahh i needed that

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]So Valve is talentless?SocomChris50

[QUOTE="SocomChris50"][QUOTE="alextherussian"]So Valve is talentless?moistsandwich

except L4D series is possibly the most fun I've ever had in a multiplayer game. Half Life = meh though... I'll give you that. So yeah Valve is over-rated, but they are still quite good.

Actually, now that I think about it, they aren't over-rated... Just because I don't like TF2 or HL, doesnt mean that I can't see the quality in the games. They just arent games that particularly am fond of.

Yeah Valve works exclusively asa FPS dev... but all 3 current IP's they have going are very different.

HL - slower paced, story driven shooter

L4D - crazy action packed survivor, team based co-op shooter (vs mode as zombies = AWESOMENESS)

TF2 - fast paced, twitch shooter, team based vs others.

all shooters... all very different and unique.

Wow,people saying Valve are talentless...Wait...:lol:

[QUOTE="Bangerman15"]dont most of the 360 and ps3 multiplats look and run better on the 360 except for dragon age and ff13?? well thats what i always seem to read and see anyways. but really whats the point of ur post, i havent heard any developers say recently that the ps3 is too hard to develop for XDSocomChris50

its a fact.. Dice, Infinity Ward, Square and Capcom are top rate 3rd party devs that can develop for the PS3 no problem and have the PS3 versions look and run just as better and in some cases than the 360 version. On top of that all the 1st/2nd party devs that develop games for the PS3 that is unmatched on other consoles in terms of visuals and overall presentation and even gameplay. If this was 2007 i would completly understand devs having a hard time to develop for the PS3. But if after 4 years and you still arent good enough to develop for the PS3 then frankly the game doesnt deserve to be made by such devs for the PS3. the best 3rd party devs in the business like Dice, Infinity ward, Square, Bioware and Capcom can all develop for the PS3 with no problems whatsoever. No excuse why some devs should be scared and/or lazy to develop for the PS3.SocomChris50

First of all..it's a fact that making games for PS3 is a pain in the butt compared to PC or 360, any dev who says it's not true is simply lying. Now, after 4 years it's not impossible to make great PS3 version, that's true. Still..what if a dev is new to console gaming? If he just started or just switched from PC to console development then there's no 4 years of experience for him and it has nothing to do with him being lazy or not. That's propably why new devs avoid PS3

well either that or they're a pc central dev who only ports to the 360 because they don't have to hire a ps3 dev team just to do a ps3 port

First of all..it's a fact that making games for PS3 is a pain in the butt compared to PC or 360, any dev who says it's not true is simply lying. Now, after 4 years it's not impossible to make great PS3 version, that's true. Still..what if a dev is new to console gaming? If he just started or just switched from PC to console development then there's no 4 years of experience for him and it has nothing to do with him being lazy or not. That's propably why new devs avoid PS3

AdrianWerner

I agree with the TC. Valve is nothing but a one trick pony.

I agree with the TC. Valve is nothing but a one trick pony.

Aku101

Aku, you should really post more often. SW needs you.

Lets get this right shall we?

Valve is overrated. Valve seems to only have the ability to make FPS's, and most of their games are simply glorified mods based off of a 7 year old outdated looking engine that Valves exploits and uses to further exploit its Steam fanbase. As a matter of fact, half the Mods sold with Valves name on it aren't even made by Valve.

Valve's name is largely a hold over from days gone by based off of the Half Life franchise.

Honestly, Valve can keep Left 4 Dead and certainly the money grab one (L4D2).

Valve is overrated developer, and a scheming sham at that.

What is with all the new accounts today?

akbar13

I agree with the TC. Valve is nothing but a one trick pony.

Aku101

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]So Valve is talentless?Iantheone

As a PS3 only owner I have to say that Portal 2 is the one game from Valve I will miss, but it really comes down to who is the bigger loser in not porting it over. I will still have lots of games to play, and won't miss Portal 2 all that much, but Valve will miss out on sales from a very large demographic.

All in all, this boils down to why I think Valve develops for the 360 at all, to mitigate the loss from piracy that occurs on PC. I know there is some piracy on 360, but not nearly as much. I think the job of porting the game to 360 is easy for them, as the 360 has similar architecture and their games run on an ancient engine that even modest PCs can handle, and it's just a way to balance out those piracy losses.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]So Valve is talentless?SocomChris50

I agree with the TC. Valve is nothing but a one trick pony.

Aku101

Holy crap he's back...

Just in time to fill the void in everyone's heart from the recent banning.

Serious question Aku - are you getting HeartGold/SoulSilver :P

I agree with the TC. Valve is nothing but a one trick pony.

Aku101

not worth the effort =/= too hard

seriously its hillarious when people call valve over rated

by most peoples standards every company is over rated and talentless

its a fact.. Dice, Infinity Ward, Square and Capcom are top rate 3rd party devs that can develop for the PS3 no problem and have the PS3 versions look and run just as better and in some cases than the 360 version. On top of that all the 1st/2nd party devs that develop games for the PS3 that is unmatched on other consoles in terms of visuals and overall presentation and even gameplay. If this was 2007 i would completly understand devs having a hard time to develop for the PS3. But if after 4 years and you still arent good enough to develop for the PS3 then frankly the game doesnt deserve to be made by such devs for the PS3. the best 3rd party devs in the business like Dice, Infinity ward, Square, Bioware and Capcom can all develop for the PS3 with no problems whatsoever. No excuse why some devs should be scared and/or lazy to develop for the PS3.SocomChris50

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

I agree with the TC. Valve is nothing but a one trick pony.

EndorphinMaster

Aku, you should really post more often. SW needs you.

agreed the board needs a severe dose of lulz.

Not gonna even use sarcasm, you would not know. There are multiple reasons why PS3 development is too difficult. Budgetary reasons, along with a lack of time for smaller developers is obviously a huge factor. Look at the devs you listed, yeah, that's right. DICE has EA, IW has Activision, Square is huge, Capcom is huge. They can all afford it, and actually need the extra income. Square had multiple issues with PS3, but eventually got it to work. BioWare also had problems, that's just common knowledge. rolo107

So does this mean you are hanging your hat on the "Vavle's too small and lacks resources and doesn't have enough money" routine?

[QUOTE="rolo107"]Not gonna even use sarcasm, you would not know. There are multiple reasons why PS3 development is too difficult. Budgetary reasons, along with a lack of time for smaller developers is obviously a huge factor. Look at the devs you listed, yeah, that's right. DICE has EA, IW has Activision, Square is huge, Capcom is huge. They can all afford it, and actually need the extra income. Square had multiple issues with PS3, but eventually got it to work. BioWare also had problems, that's just common knowledge. Persistantthug

So does this mean you are hanging your hat on the "Vavle's too small and lacks resources and doesn't have enough money" routine?

except thats not the end of that quote its the valve

valve doesnt have the resources to dedicate to a platform its highly unlikely to see a significant return on to make investing those resources in in the first place

learn2business

At this stage any Dev who can't make their own Digital Download Distribution service are talentless and lazy.

The sensitivity levels are at an outrageous high all because a dev won't put games on fanboys favorite piece of plastic.

I recognize this style of writing ...It's definitely Kenny. Plus one of his screennames that got banned had the name Chris in it too. Let me go look it up.

its a fact.. Dice, Infinity Ward, Square and Capcom are top rate 3rd party devs that can develop for the PS3 no problem and have the PS3 versions look and run just as better and in some cases than the 360 version. On top of that all the 1st/2nd party devs that develop games for the PS3 that is unmatched on other consoles in terms of visuals and overall presentation and even gameplay. If this was 2007 i would completly understand devs having a hard time to develop for the PS3. But if after 4 years and you still arent good enough to develop for the PS3 then frankly the game doesnt deserve to be made by such devs for the PS3. the best 3rd party devs in the business like Dice, Infinity ward, Square, Bioware and Capcom can all develop for the PS3 with no problems whatsoever. No excuse why some devs should be scared and/or lazy to develop for the PS3.SocomChris50

lol enjoy paying $60.00 for a 4 hour puzzle gameSocomChris50

[QUOTE="SocomChris50"]lol enjoy paying $60.00 for a 4 hour puzzle gamenethernova

That's why PC gaming is dying. $60 to buy the game or pirate it for free which kills profit. It's a lose lose situation.

except thats not the end of that quote its the valve

valve doesnt have the resources to dedicate to a platform its highly unlikely to see a significant return on to make investing those resources in in the first place

learn2business

washd123

I think its incredibly ironic that you imply I don't know business,

Yet somehow you've neglected to factor in the revenues of selling 1 million games brings to a company....approx 30 million or so in case you didn't know.

As a developer, when you've already spent resources to create and develop a game, it costs pennies on the dollar port a game to another platform, washd123.

And by the way, who told you that Valve doesn't have the resources to make games for the PS3? Who told you Valve was a "small" game developer?

Who told you that Valve couldn't get another company (Like Gearbox did for PS2's Half Life) to port the game if necessary?

Lastly, and perhaps even more enlightening to some....Who told you that EA (A multi billion dollar company) doesn't offer manpower resources to Valve if needed?

washd123, my point isn't to demand anything from Valve on Sony/PS3's behalf, I just want the "Valve's too small and helpless" nonsense, that I've heard dozons of times, to stop. That's all.

HAHAHA THIS THREAD SUCKS

[QUOTE="washd123"]

except thats not the end of that quote its the valve

valve doesnt have the resources to dedicate to a platform its highly unlikely to see a significant return on to make investing those resources in in the first place

learn2business

Persistantthug

I think its incredibly ironic that you imply I don't know business,

Yet somehow you've neglected to factor in the revenues of selling 1 million games brings to a company....approx 30 million or so in case you didn't know.

As a developer, when you've already spent resources to create and develop a game, it costs pennies on the dollar port a game to another platform, washd123.

And by the way, who told you that Valve doesn't have the resources to make games for the PS3? Who told you Valve was a "small" game developer?

Who told you that Valve couldn't get another company (Like Gearbox did for PS2's Half Life) to port the game if necessary?

Lastly, and perhaps even more enlightening to some....Who told you that EA (A multi billion dollar company) doesn't offer manpower resources to Valve if needed?

washd123, my point isn't to demand anything from Valve on Sony/PS3's behalf, I just want the "Valve's too small and helpless" nonsense, that I've heard dozons of times, to stop. That's all.

Valve is a very small developer compared to others, they keep their development teams very small on purpose. And they have been saying for a while now that they are agaist ever otsourcing their IP's.

Valve is not under any obliation to develop for the PS3, get over it.

Valve is a very small developer compared to others, they keep their development teams very small on purpose. And they have been saying for a while now that they are agaist ever otsourcing their IP's.

Valve is not under any obliation to develop for the PS3, get over it.

cobrax25

Valve is not a very small game developer (250 employees) Do you know what a small developer is? A small developer is the likes of SPLASH DAMAGE (60). I thought GEARBOX was small but they are not small anymore (170), but that is still significantly less manpower than Valve. Both are developing for all three HD platforms. The "Valve is small" routine is out of the window.....please stop repeating that, please.

And for the record again, Valve has outsourced both Half Life games to to Playstation and most of their expansions....so if Valve has said they are against it, clearly they've lied, because they've certainly never been above having others do it for them.

As a developer, when youve already spent resources to create and develop a game, it costs pennies on the dollar port a game to another platform, washd123.

Persistantthug

Capcom's Seth Killian laughs at you lol.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]

Valve is a very small developer compared to others, they keep their development teams very small on purpose. And they have been saying for a while now that they are agaist ever otsourcing their IP's.

Valve is not under any obliation to develop for the PS3, get over it.

Persistantthug

Valve is not a very small game developer (250 employees) Do you know what a small developer is? A small developer is the likes of SPLASH DAMAGE (60). I thought GEARBOX was small but they are not small anymore (170), but that is still significantly less manpower than Valve. Both are developing for all three HD platforms. The "Valve is small" routine is out of the window.....please stop repeating that, please.

And for the record again, Valve has outsourced both Half Life games to to Playstation and most of their expansions....so if Valve has said they are against it, clearly they've lied, because they've certainly never been above having others do it for them.

yeah, except your forgetting that in addition to making games, and having several in development at once (in addition to doing updates for all their older games) they also run a massive and very large online gaming service.

and after The Orange box Valve specificlly said they were no longer going to be outsourcing game development.

Capcom's Seth Killian laughs at you lol.

The__Havoc

There's nothing to laugh at.

When it costs a developer 20 million dollars to make a fresh IP, it doesn't cost another 20 million to port it to the PS3.

I hope that is not what you are trying to imply, The__Havoc.

Honestly. Grow up...

yeah, except your forgetting that in addition to making games, and having several in development at once (in addition to doing updates for all their older games) they also run a massive and very large online gaming service.

and after The Orange box Valve specificlly said they were no longer going to be outsourcing game development.

cobrax25

Exactly....in other words...Valve is swimming in money. Thank you for at least acknowleging that.

Also, you might wanna look up CERTAIN AFFINITY.

[QUOTE="rolo107"]Not gonna even use sarcasm, you would not know. There are multiple reasons why PS3 development is too difficult. Budgetary reasons, along with a lack of time for smaller developers is obviously a huge factor. Look at the devs you listed, yeah, that's right. DICE has EA, IW has Activision, Square is huge, Capcom is huge. They can all afford it, and actually need the extra income. Square had multiple issues with PS3, but eventually got it to work. BioWare also had problems, that's just common knowledge. Persistantthug

So does this mean you are hanging your hat on the "Vavle's too small and lacks resources and doesn't have enough money" routine?

Why would Valve staff want to do boring stuff from their own free will? They don't owe you that