ATI's R600 up against the Geforce 8800

the current benchmarks have come out.  the 8800GTX beats it, and not by a tiny amount either.

It could just be bad drivers, but at this point in time the 8800GTX is better. 

It's very dissapointing. I will probably be getting second-generation DX10 cards.TrueReligion_

sadly, me 2

Fake benchmarks. NDA won't be lifted until March 14. Don't expect anything real unless it's from HardOCP, ananadtech, and firingsquad.WhySoCry

Why isn't Dailytech an accurate source? They are featured on Anand, after all... 

It's very dissapointing. I will probably be getting second-generation DX10 cards.TrueReligion_

I think ATI's midline card did do a lot better then the 8800GTS. 

Fake benchmarks. NDA won't be lifted until March 14. Don't expect anything real unless it's from HardOCP, ananadtech, and firingsquad.WhySoCry

March was last month. Your point? 

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Fake benchmarks. NDA won't be lifted until March 14. Don't expect anything real unless it's from HardOCP, ananadtech, and firingsquad.dgsag

Why isn't Dailytech an accurate source? They are featured on Anand, after all...

Haha, ownage. Dailytech is reliable.  

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Fake benchmarks. NDA won't be lifted until March 14. Don't expect anything real unless it's from HardOCP, ananadtech, and firingsquad.dgsag

Why isn't Dailytech an accurate source? They are featured on Anand, after all...

NDA isn't even lifted yet. Any real article would be pulled. 

I wonder if they did the test on Vista or XP?

If this was on Vista...then it would be even more shocking...seeing as how Nvidia current Vista drivers are poor (though granted some PC's dont seem to have any problems with them....Mine seems to run fine under Vista) 

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]Fake benchmarks. NDA won't be lifted until March 14. Don't expect anything real unless it's from HardOCP, ananadtech, and firingsquad.superkoolstud

March was last month. Your point?

May 14** 

the current benchmarks have come out. the 8800GTX beats it, and not by a tiny amount either.

 

It could just be bad drivers, but at this point in time the 8800GTX is better.

cobrax75

Got a link? I have looked at all the major sites and have seen nothing. 

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]

the current benchmarks have come out. the 8800GTX beats it, and not by a tiny amount either.

 

It could just be bad drivers, but at this point in time the 8800GTX is better.

snyper1982

Got a link? I have looked at all the major sites and have seen nothing.

here

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052" title="http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052">http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

if its any consolation.....

ATI's mid line card did beat the 8800GTS. 

SO I read the Daily tech and its a bunch of crap and very innaccurate.

the 8800 they use in the test is overclocked while the R600 is not. Lets wait to see some real tests from a more reliable source. 

I do not see the point in owning an ATI card anymore. Most PC developers are choosing to optimise their games for Nvidia and it would make sense to buy a card that is most supported.foxhound_fox

to be fair....thats the way its always been, Nvidia has always led the market in terms of sales, and a lot of games were made for Nvidia cards first.  But that never stoped ATI from releasing good cards. 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

the current benchmarks have come out. the 8800GTX beats it, and not by a tiny amount either.

 

It could just be bad drivers, but at this point in time the 8800GTX is better.

cobrax75

Got a link? I have looked at all the major sites and have seen nothing.

here

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052" title="http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052">http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

if its any consolation.....

ATI's mid line card did beat the 8800GTS.

So why do no other major hardware sites have it up? I find this extremely suspicious.  

the current benchmarks have come out. the 8800GTX beats it, and not by a tiny amount either.

 

It could just be bad drivers, but at this point in time the 8800GTX is better.

cobrax75

Those benchmarks were done on an old sample of the XTX that was exactly the same as the XT except for slightly faster memory( not needed because 100GBps is enough). The XT is almost as good as the GTX and it will be 150$ cheaper. No real benchmarks for the XTX are out yet.

I do not see the point in owning an ATI card anymore. Most PC developers are choosing to optimise their games for Nvidia and it would make sense to buy a card that is most supported.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="cobrax75"]

the current benchmarks have come out. the 8800GTX beats it, and not by a tiny amount either.

 

It could just be bad drivers, but at this point in time the 8800GTX is better.

snyper1982

Got a link? I have looked at all the major sites and have seen nothing.

here

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052" title="http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052">http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

if its any consolation.....

ATI's mid line card did beat the 8800GTS.

So why do no other major hardware sites have it up? I find this extremely suspicious.

Because the NDA doesnt get lifted untill May 14th. Anybody who signed it and got real production cards wont have reviews untill then. Dailytech is a news site so they dont sign NDA's. They were lucky enough to get their hands on some preproduction cards.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I do not see the point in owning an ATI card anymore. Most PC developers are choosing to optimise their games for Nvidia and it would make sense to buy a card that is most supported.

TOAO_Cyrus

This is completely false. The whole "the way its meant to be played" thing is just marketing. Both ATi and Nvidia adhere the directX standards so they are usually almost exactly the same feature wise. Last gen ATi was faster in most games.

thats not true, their are noticable differences in some games, Particulary in Unreal engine games (epic is sponsered by Nvidia) which in some games, have glitches with ATI cards that cause Shadows to appear big, ditorted, and appear through walls. 

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I do not see the point in owning an ATI card anymore. Most PC developers are choosing to optimise their games for Nvidia and it would make sense to buy a card that is most supported.

cobrax75

This is completely false. The whole "the way its meant to be played" thing is just marketing. Both ATi and Nvidia adhere the directX standards so they are usually almost exactly the same feature wise. Last gen ATi was faster in most games.

thats not true, their are noticable differences in some games, Particulary in Unreal engine games (epic is sponsered by Nvidia) which in some games, have glitches with ATI cards that cause Shadows to appear big, ditorted, and appear through walls.

No, that was driver issues on ATi that have since been fixed.  Looking at UT specifically Nvidia's 8800 range has a HUGE stutter bug, cannot take ss, and often BSOD when exiting the game.  The Way its Meant to be Played Indeed.

Developers develop around DirectX.  Both cards support it, both do fine.  In OPENGL apps there are some more differences, but those are few and far between these days, and the largest engine for it (Doom 3) doesnt have extensions for specific venders. 

Well I would think the X2900 XTX should destroy the 8800 spec wise i mean it has a higher clock speed, GDDR4 vs GDDR3 vram, a 512-bit mem interface vs. 384-bit, i mean nvidia must have one hell of an architecture there to beat out a card that by the specs destroys it or the drivers are just horrible *for both the cards* and we just don't know either of their true potentials.

In the end im going to wait for full blown benchmarks.