Backwards Compatibility: from a non PS3 gamers perspective

PS3s guerrilla tactics really put me off. Let me explain my situation. I have had a 360 since launch and have had no desire or inclination to get a PS3, until recently. After seeing a Blu Ray movie in person and investing in a 61" hdtv. So now I am basically forced to get a Blu Ray for my investment, and according to all the reviews (cnet in particular) the PS3 is still the best BR player and has some version 2 update or something which I don't know what it does or is but makes it superior. I figure it makes sense since most of the other Blu Ray players on the market don't or can't receive the same firmware updates.

Anyhoo, I finally decide after the latest Killzone 2 buzz to jump in. While there will only be likely 2 or 3 games that I will outright purchase for the PS3 while I have it, KZ2 gave me just enough nudge. Here's my problem, I don't understand why they make it so difficult to adopt their console this gen. They make different SKUs, some with emulations, some with memory card readers, some with dual shock, some with 40 gigs, 80 gigs, etc. etc.

My particular issue is ...they offer to put all this stuff in a machine and then market it as the best out there and slap a price worthy (in their minds) of doing that, and then when it doesn't sell to their expectations they discontinue SKUs, cut off features, etc. just to cut their own costs for their own failures. Now me, who has an extensive PS2 library, will have to go fork out for an overpriced used PS3 60 GB just so I dont feel like I got the gimped version. And I know why they discontinued the BC versions because they want to go and force their new software down peoples throats and close the casket on the PS2 because it was so successful it handicaps them this gen.

But that's not fair. And its not right.

i know wat you mean, but i dunno how it feels cuz i got the PS3 60GB version at launch. there has always been the question of how much cheaper the PS3 would be without the blu-ray feature and if it wud be worth it or not. i gotta say though, 60GB runs out fast, i only have 20GB left:evil:idontbeliveit

There are only 2 SKUs... The 80GB and the 160GB. Is it really that complicated?

And if you have an extensive PS2 library, doesn't that mean you already have a PS2? Can't you just play your PS2 games in your PS2?

"force their new software down peoples throats"

But aren't you buying a PS3 partially because of blu-ray? :|

I agree that not having BC on newer models is kinda lame (thank god for my BC model) but it's not impossible to get a BC model if that's what you really want.

I find it impossible for Sony not to reintegrate PS2 BC by the time PS2 end production. We will see.

There are only 2 SKUs... The 80GB and the 160GB. Is it really that complicated?

And if you have an extensive PS2 library, doesn't that mean you already have a PS2? Can't you just play your PS2 games in your PS2?

Vitro-Vivo

[QUOTE="Vitro-Vivo"]

There are only 2 SKUs... The 80GB and the 160GB. Is it really that complicated?

And if you have an extensive PS2 library, doesn't that mean you already have a PS2? Can't you just play your PS2 games in your PS2?

shsonline

Well too bad. They sold BC PS3's and no one bought them. Should have bought them before.

[QUOTE="shsonline"][QUOTE="Vitro-Vivo"]

There are only 2 SKUs... The 80GB and the 160GB. Is it really that complicated?

And if you have an extensive PS2 library, doesn't that mean you already have a PS2? Can't you just play your PS2 games in your PS2?

Omni-Wrath

Well too bad. They sold BC PS3's and no one bought them. Should have bought them before.

LOL Ok Sony spokesperson. Maybe no one bought them because they were OVERPRICED and struggling from a lack of good software. But hey, that's my fault too.

PS3s guerrilla tactics really put me off. Let me explain my situation. I have had a 360 since launch and have had no desire or inclination to get a PS3, until recently. After seeing a Blu Ray movie in person and investing in a 61" hdtv. So now I am basically forced to get a Blu Ray for my investment, and according to all the reviews (cnet in particular) the PS3 is still the best BR player and has some version 2 update or something which I don't know what it does or is but makes it superior. I figure it makes sense since most of the other Blu Ray players on the market don't or can't receive the same firmware updates.

Anyhoo, I finally decide after the latest Killzone 2 buzz to jump in. While there will only be likely 2 or 3 games that I will outright purchase for the PS3 while I have it, KZ2 gave me just enough nudge. Here's my problem, I don't understand why they make it so difficult to adopt their console this gen. They make different SKUs, some with emulations, some with memory card readers, some with dual shock, some with 40 gigs, 80 gigs, etc. etc.

My particular issue is ...they offer to put all this stuff in a machine and then market it as the best out there and slap a price worthy (in their minds) of doing that, and then when it doesn't sell to their expectations they discontinue SKUs, cut off features, etc. just to cut their own costs for their own failures. Now me, who has an extensive PS2 library, will have to go fork out for an overpriced used PS3 60 GB just so I dont feel like I got the gimped version. And I know why they discontinued the BC versions because they want to go and force their new software down peoples throats and close the casket on the PS2 because it was so successful it handicaps them this gen.

But that's not fair. And its not right.

shsonline

No one complains about the 360's lackluster backwards compatibility.

See if Sony puts BC in the PS3s again, the price of the thing will go up and guess what? More people will complain about the price being too high.

MS does not include BC because they know it increases the price of the 360, thats why their consoles are cheaper.

If you want to play PS2/Xbox games flawlessly, then go out and get a PS2/Xbox.

No one complains about the 360's lackluster backwards compatibility.

See if Sony puts BC in the PS3s again, the price of the thing will go up and guess what? More people will complain about the price being too high.

MS does not include BC because they know it increases the price of the 360, thats why their consoles are cheaper.

If you want to play PS2/Xbox games flawlessly, then go out and get a PS2/Xbox.

[QUOTE="Vitro-Vivo"]

There are only 2 SKUs... The 80GB and the 160GB. Is it really that complicated?

And if you have an extensive PS2 library, doesn't that mean you already have a PS2? Can't you just play your PS2 games in your PS2?

shsonline

Yeah it's a hassle.

I wish the PS3 did have BC just because I want it, but since I've had my PS3 I haven't played any PS2 games.

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]i know wat you mean, but i dunno how it feels cuz i got the PS3 60GB version at launch. there has always been the question of how much cheaper the PS3 would be without the blu-ray feature and if it wud be worth it or not. i gotta say though, 60GB runs out fast, i only have 20GB left:evil:shsonline

Warhawk is online only and has great replayability

Resistance 2

MotorStorm Pacific Rift

Burnout Paradise

All good replayability.....Denver FTW (well not the football team but the city)

No one complains about the 360's lackluster backwards compatibility.

See if Sony puts BC in the PS3s again, the price of the thing will go up and guess what? More people will complain about the price being too high.

MS does not include BC because they know it increases the price of the 360, thats why their consoles are cheaper.

If you want to play PS2/Xbox games flawlessly, then go out and get a PS2/Xbox.

Ninten007

360 has BC but there are 2 things to remember.

1) You need a HDD and Internet access to download updates for most X-Box (1) games.

2) Not all of those emulation updates work well.

I have no idea if Sony is working on Emulation software but PS2 games have been notoriously difficult to emulate in a proper manner.

[QUOTE="Ninten007"]

No one complains about the 360's lackluster backwards compatibility.

See if Sony puts BC in the PS3s again, the price of the thing will go up and guess what? More people will complain about the price being too high.

MS does not include BC because they know it increases the price of the 360, thats why their consoles are cheaper.

If you want to play PS2/Xbox games flawlessly, then go out and get a PS2/Xbox.

FragTycoon

360 has BC but there are 2 things to remember.

1) You need a HDD and Internet access to download updates for most X-Box (1) games.

2) Not all of those emulation updates work well.

I have no idea if Sony is working on Emulation software but PS2 games have been notoriously difficult to emulate in a proper manner.

i hate the 360 BC, cant play TS on it:(

[QUOTE="Ninten007"]

No one complains about the 360's lackluster backwards compatibility.

See if Sony puts BC in the PS3s again, the price of the thing will go up and guess what? More people will complain about the price being too high.

MS does not include BC because they know it increases the price of the 360, thats why their consoles are cheaper.

If you want to play PS2/Xbox games flawlessly, then go out and get a PS2/Xbox.

FragTycoon

360 has BC but there are 2 things to remember.

1) You need a HDD and Internet access to download updates for most X-Box (1) games.

2) Not all of those emulation updates work well.

I have no idea if Sony is working on Emulation software but PS2 games have been notoriously difficult to emulate in a proper manner.

Still a huge hassle. At least the 60GB and 80GB(MGS 4 Bundle) play PS2 games outta the box without all the hassle of doing all that.

This is like complaining the 64 is not BC with the SNES and NES and complaining about how terrible SNES and NES graphics look compared to 64's.

If you want to play PS2 games, try to find a BC PS3(its pricey), buy a PS2(game in SD not HD).

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Ninten007"]

No one complains about the 360's lackluster backwards compatibility.

See if Sony puts BC in the PS3s again, the price of the thing will go up and guess what? More people will complain about the price being too high.

MS does not include BC because they know it increases the price of the 360, thats why their consoles are cheaper.

If you want to play PS2/Xbox games flawlessly, then go out and get a PS2/Xbox.

ps3_owns_360Wii

360 has BC but there are 2 things to remember.

1) You need a HDD and Internet access to download updates for most X-Box (1) games.

2) Not all of those emulation updates work well.

I have no idea if Sony is working on Emulation software but PS2 games have been notoriously difficult to emulate in a proper manner.

i hate the 360 BC, cant play TS on it:(

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Ninten007"]

No one complains about the 360's lackluster backwards compatibility.

See if Sony puts BC in the PS3s again, the price of the thing will go up and guess what? More people will complain about the price being too high.

MS does not include BC because they know it increases the price of the 360, thats why their consoles are cheaper.

If you want to play PS2/Xbox games flawlessly, then go out and get a PS2/Xbox.

Ninten007

360 has BC but there are 2 things to remember.

1) You need a HDD and Internet access to download updates for most X-Box (1) games.

2) Not all of those emulation updates work well.

I have no idea if Sony is working on Emulation software but PS2 games have been notoriously difficult to emulate in a proper manner.

Still a huge hassle. At least the 60GB and 80GB(MGS 4 Bundle) play PS2 games outta the box without all the hassle of doing all that.

This is like complaining the 64 is not BC with the SNES and NES and complaining about how terrible SNES and NES graphics look compared to 64's.

If you want to play PS2 games, try to find a BC PS3(its pricey), buy a PS2(game in SD not HD).

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Ninten007"]

No one complains about the 360's lackluster backwards compatibility.

See if Sony puts BC in the PS3s again, the price of the thing will go up and guess what? More people will complain about the price being too high.

MS does not include BC because they know it increases the price of the 360, thats why their consoles are cheaper.

If you want to play PS2/Xbox games flawlessly, then go out and get a PS2/Xbox.

Ninten007

360 has BC but there are 2 things to remember.

1) You need a HDD and Internet access to download updates for most X-Box (1) games.

2) Not all of those emulation updates work well.

I have no idea if Sony is working on Emulation software but PS2 games have been notoriously difficult to emulate in a proper manner.

Still a huge hassle. At least the 60GB and 80GB(MGS 4 Bundle) play PS2 games outta the box without all the hassle of doing all that.

This is like complaining the 64 is not BC with the SNES and NES and complaining about how terrible SNES and NES graphics look compared to 64's.

If you want to play PS2 games, try to find a BC PS3(its pricey), buy a PS2(game in SD not HD).

WOW!!! :o

I just looked it up and if I sold my 80GB PS3 I could actually make close to $200....

I'm not going to though :D

[QUOTE="Ninten007"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

360 has BC but there are 2 things to remember.

1) You need a HDD and Internet access to download updates for most X-Box (1) games.

2) Not all of those emulation updates work well.

I have no idea if Sony is working on Emulation software but PS2 games have been notoriously difficult to emulate in a proper manner.

FirstDiscovery

Still a huge hassle. At least the 60GB and 80GB(MGS 4 Bundle) play PS2 games outta the box without all the hassle of doing all that.

This is like complaining the 64 is not BC with the SNES and NES and complaining about how terrible SNES and NES graphics look compared to 64's.

If you want to play PS2 games, try to find a BC PS3(its pricey), buy a PS2(game in SD not HD).

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm

There are only 2 SKUs... The 80GB and the 160GB. Is it really that complicated?

And if you have an extensive PS2 library, doesn't that mean you already have a PS2? Can't you just play your PS2 games in your PS2?

Vitro-Vivo

[QUOTE="Vitro-Vivo"]

There are only 2 SKUs... The 80GB and the 160GB. Is it really that complicated?

And if you have an extensive PS2 library, doesn't that mean you already have a PS2? Can't you just play your PS2 games in your PS2?

Locke562

[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Ninten007"]

Still a huge hassle. At least the 60GB and 80GB(MGS 4 Bundle) play PS2 games outta the box without all the hassle of doing all that.

This is like complaining the 64 is not BC with the SNES and NES and complaining about how terrible SNES and NES graphics look compared to 64's.

If you want to play PS2 games, try to find a BC PS3(its pricey), buy a PS2(game in SD not HD).

SecretPolice

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm