Bad for core gamers: Microsoft has a long history of abandoning their supporters

Remember when PC gaming was very respectable. Back then, there were plenty of PC games and most looked better than console games. If you had a powerful PC, you really didn't need a console to be a happy gamer. Now, though, unless you are a MMO or strategy gamer, PC gaming is pretty much dead. And you have Microsoft to thank.

You see, Microsoft finds a new lover in the form of Xbox 360. The old wife that is the PC, is now neglected. Bad, very bad for the PC gamer. This is not new, though. Microsoft has a history of abandoning old supporters when seeking new ones. Remember when Microsoft promptly stopped supporting the first Xbox soon after the new one (Xbox 360) arrived? Remember also how Microsoft stopped supporting Xbox 360 gamers who want to watch disk-based, HD movies on Xbox 360 after Blu-ray won? Remember also that after 3 years of ownership, all Xbox 360 gamers are now one their own, even though Microsoft had mislead them into buying defective consoles.

Unfortunately, history is repeating itself again. All of the core gamers, the ones who use the standard controllers and who were the first to support Xbox 360, are looking more and more like a neglected lover. You see, Microsoft is now in love with the casuals in home console world, specifically the Kinect audience. And so, Microsoft no longer feels like spending the resources to keep the core gamers happy in the long term. It allowed Bungie the right to develop games on other platforms, not just for Xbox 360 like before. Ensemble studio is now dead. Rare's future game releases seem to be only for Kinect games. Exclusive, core games for Xbox 360 are an endangered species.

Xbox 360 core gamers have every right to feel neglected because they are. Microsoft is simply repeating its history of abandoning old suppporters.

I can ignore your entire point by saying - 360 is MS's own specific hardware and platform, of course they're going to place emphasis on it. You'd be making a thread if they weren't, criticising them for 'not supporting it'. And the introduction of Kinect =/= no core games (Halo, Gears, Fable in the next 9 months to say a few), not to mention the Crytek exclusive. I don't feel neglected.Ravensmash

has MS put a lot more effort into the 360? yes

But I'm not sure it's the reason for abandoning old supporters. I think a lot of Pc gamers moved on to better games on the pc. Hence the reason Blizzard has such a humongous following. Can't wait for SC2!!!!!!

MS has their own money making machine, as of course they will focus on that.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]I can ignore your entire point by saying - 360 is MS's own specific hardware and platform, of course they're going to place emphasis on it. You'd be making a thread if they weren't, criticising them for 'not supporting it'. And the introduction of Kinect =/= no core games (Halo, Gears, Fable in the next 9 months to say a few), not to mention the Crytek exclusive. I don't feel neglected.dragonboot

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]I can ignore your entire point by saying - 360 is MS's own specific hardware and platform, of course they're going to place emphasis on it. You'd be making a thread if they weren't, criticising them for 'not supporting it'. And the introduction of Kinect =/= no core games (Halo, Gears, Fable in the next 9 months to say a few), not to mention the Crytek exclusive. I don't feel neglected.Ravensmash

Remember when PC gaming was very respectable. Back then, there were plenty of PC games and most looked better than console games. If you had a powerful PC, you really didn't need a console to be a happy gamer. Now, though, unless you are a MMO or strategy gamer, PC gaming is pretty much dead. dragonboot

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="dragonboot"]Compared to the PS3 or the Wii, Xbox 360 has far fewer exclusives. While it's fine with you, many Xbox 360 gamers, even here in this forum have complained about Microsoft's lack of focus on exclusive, core games.

clyde46

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

Remember when PC gaming was very respectable. Back then, there were plenty of PC games and most looked better than console games. If you had a powerful PC, you really didn't need a console to be a happy gamer. Now, though, unless you are a MMO or strategy gamer, PC gaming is pretty much dead. GeneralShowzer

Again with the "PC gaming is dead"

I'd advice you to inform yourself before posting something like that.

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]I can ignore your entire point by saying - 360 is MS's own specific hardware and platform, of course they're going to place emphasis on it. You'd be making a thread if they weren't, criticising them for 'not supporting it'. And the introduction of Kinect =/= no core games (Halo, Gears, Fable in the next 9 months to say a few), not to mention the Crytek exclusive. I don't feel neglected.Ravensmash

Remember when PC gaming was very respectable. Back then, there were plenty of PC games and most looked better than console games. If you had a powerful PC, you really didn't need a console to be a happy gamer. Now, though, unless you are a MMO or strategy gamer, PC gaming is pretty much dead. And you have Microsoft to thank.

You see, Microsoft finds a new lover in the form of Xbox 360. The old wife that is the PC, is now neglected. Bad, very bad for the PC gamer. This is not new, though. Microsoft has a history of abandoning old supporters when seeking new ones. Remember when Microsoft promptly stopped supporting the first Xbox soon after the new one (Xbox 360) arrived? Remember also how Microsoft stopped supporting Xbox 360 gamers who want to watch disk-based, HD movies on Xbox 360 after Blu-ray won?

Unfortunately, history is repeating itself again. All of the core gamers, the ones who use the standard controllers and who were the first to support Xbox 360, are looking more and more like a neglected lover. You see, Microsoft is now in love with the casuals in home console world, specifically the Kinect audience. And so, Microsoft no longer feels like spending the resources to keep the core gamers happy in the long term. It allowed Bungie the right to develop games on other platforms, not just for Xbox 360 like before. Ensemble studio is now dead. Rare's future game releases seem to be only for Kinect games. Exclusive, core games for Xbox 360 are an endangered species.

Xbox 360 core gamers have every right to feel neglected because they are. Microsoft is simply repeating its history of abanding old suppporters.

dragonboot

Remember when PC gaming was very respectable. Back then, there were plenty of PC games and most looked better than console games. If you had a powerful PC, you really didn't need a console to be a happy gamer. Now, though, unless you are a MMO or strategy gamer, PC gaming is pretty much dead. And you have Microsoft to thank.

You see, Microsoft finds a new lover in the form of Xbox 360. The old wife that is the PC, is now neglected. Bad, very bad for the PC gamer. This is not new, though. Microsoft has a history of abandoning old supporters when seeking new ones. Remember when Microsoft promptly stopped supporting the first Xbox soon after the new one (Xbox 360) arrived? Remember also how Microsoft stopped supporting Xbox 360 gamers who want to watch disk-based, HD movies on Xbox 360 after Blu-ray won?

Unfortunately, history is repeating itself again. All of the core gamers, the ones who use the standard controllers and who were the first to support Xbox 360, are looking more and more like a neglected lover. You see, Microsoft is now in love with the casuals in home console world, specifically the Kinect audience. And so, Microsoft no longer feels like spending the resources to keep the core gamers happy in the long term. It allowed Bungie the right to develop games on other platforms, not just for Xbox 360 like before. Ensemble studio is now dead. Rare's future game releases seem to be only for Kinect games. Exclusive, core games for Xbox 360 are an endangered species.

Xbox 360 core gamers have every right to feel neglected because they are. Microsoft is simply repeating its history of abanding old suppporters.

dragonboot

the irony here is that Microsoft's HD-DVD endeavor did nothing for core games, and probably sucked money away from more important priorities

lemme guess, if Microsoft cancelled Kinect you'd be saying "omg they're abandoning core gamers again!"

:roll:

Microsoft did no leave the pc gaming market. But if you run the gaming side of microsoft are you going to A. put money into games that are selling 5-10 million copies or B. Put money into games that will sell 1-3 million copys

MMO's and rts are still huge on the pc but everything esle has took a major. PC gaming has took a hit becuase consoles are cheaper offer a similar to better experence and dev cost of pc games are way more

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="dragonboot"]Compared to the PS3 or the Wii, Xbox 360 has far fewer exclusives. While it's fine with you, many Xbox 360 gamers, even here in this forum have complained about Microsoft's lack of focus on exclusive, core games.dragonboot

Microsoft did no leave the pc gaming market. But if you run the gaming side of microsoft are you going to A. put money into games that are selling 5-10 million copies or B. Put money into games that will sell 1-3 million copys

MMO's and rts are still huge on the pc but everything esle has took a major.

James161324

MS anandoned PCgaming, but other companies were quick to fill that void. They did it so well that few years later when MS though "hm..pcgaming is still doing good, we should make some serious buck on it" and tried to get back, it turned out that there was no place for them in pc gaming market anymore.

1. MS has very little to do with PC gaming. All they do is make Windows and Direct X (which are both successful)

2. PC gaming is not dying. In fact, it has been growing thanks to MMO's and DD services like Steam.

3. The only reason why PC gaming is in a slump at the moment is because of lazy developers porting console games, giving us less content and charging more for it.

[QUOTE="James161324"]

Microsoft did no leave the pc gaming market. But if you run the gaming side of microsoft are you going to A. put money into games that are selling 5-10 million copies or B. Put money into games that will sell 1-3 million copys

MMO's and rts are still huge on the pc but everything esle has took a major.

GeneralShowzer

i'm not saying it is. It has a lot of support from smaller studios. But i think why people think it dieing is alot of the major studios have dropped support for pc.

MS anandoned PCgaming, but other companies were quick to fill that void. They did it so well that few years later when MS though "hm..pcgaming is still doing good, we should make some serious buck on it" and tried to get back, it turned out that there was no place for them in pc gaming market anymore.

AdrianWerner

yeah, i'm not sure why everybody here wants more GFWL

if anything, PC gamers want less Microsoft, but they're **** anyways because well... i dunno

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="James161324"]

Microsoft did no leave the pc gaming market. But if you run the gaming side of microsoft are you going to A. put money into games that are selling 5-10 million copies or B. Put money into games that will sell 1-3 million copys

MMO's and rts are still huge on the pc but everything esle has took a major.

James161324

i'm not saying it is. It has a lot of support from smaller studios. But i think why people think it dieing is alot of the major studios have dropped support for pc.

EA/ Activision. They still make some for pc but not even close to what they used to

[QUOTE="James161324"]

Microsoft did no leave the pc gaming market. But if you run the gaming side of microsoft are you going to A. put money into games that are selling 5-10 million copies or B. Put money into games that will sell 1-3 million copys

MMO's and rts are still huge on the pc but everything esle has took a major.

GeneralShowzer

Microsoft did no leave the pc gaming market. But if you run the gaming side of microsoft are you going to A. put money into games that are selling 5-10 million copies or B. Put money into games that will sell 1-3 million copys

MMO's and rts are still huge on the pc but everything esle has took a major. PC gaming has took a hit becuase consoles are cheaper offer a similar to better experence and dev cost of pc games are way more

James161324

EA/ Activision. They still make some for pc but not even close to what they used to

James161324

But i think why people think it dieing is alot of the major studios have dropped support for pc.

James161324

EA/ Activision. They still make some for pc but not even close to what they used to

James161324

lol, you had me when you said that PC is obsolete for any other genre but RTS and MMO.

GOod one Brah.

Remember when PC gaming was very respectable. Back then, there were plenty of PC games and most looked better than console games. If you had a powerful PC, you really didn't need a console to be a happy gamer. Now, though, unless you are a MMO or strategy gamer, PC gaming is pretty much dead. And you have Microsoft to thank.

You see, Microsoft finds a new lover in the form of Xbox 360. The old wife that is the PC, is now neglected. Bad, very bad for the PC gamer. This is not new, though. Microsoft has a history of abandoning old supporters when seeking new ones. Remember when Microsoft promptly stopped supporting the first Xbox soon after the new one (Xbox 360) arrived? Remember also how Microsoft stopped supporting Xbox 360 gamers who want to watch disk-based, HD movies on Xbox 360 after Blu-ray won? Remember also that after 3 years of ownership, all Xbox 360 gamers are now one their own, even though Microsoft had mislead them into buying defective consoles.

Unfortunately, history is repeating itself again. All of the core gamers, the ones who use the standard controllers and who were the first to support Xbox 360, are looking more and more like a neglected lover. You see, Microsoft is now in love with the casuals in home console world, specifically the Kinect audience. And so, Microsoft no longer feels like spending the resources to keep the core gamers happy in the long term. It allowed Bungie the right to develop games on other platforms, not just for Xbox 360 like before. Ensemble studio is now dead. Rare's future game releases seem to be only for Kinect games. Exclusive, core games for Xbox 360 are an endangered species.

Xbox 360 core gamers have every right to feel neglected because they are. Microsoft is simply repeating its history of abandoning old suppporters.

dragonboot

I have to say is lol, you try to hard, just enjoy the games.

So it's Microsoft's fault developers and publishers think consumers aredumb and aren't making more complex games?

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there.

Now, though, unless you are a MMO or strategy gamer, PC gaming is pretty much dead.dragonboot

System wars fact #704 Sony never drops anything, never breaks deals, never lies, If the Ps2's gpu was made by nvidia and nvidia was speicfically keeping the cost to make the gpu inflated even though nearly every thing else in the system had thus been refined and made more efficient and cheaper to make...they would never have a problem with it. they would infact clap Nvidia on the shoulder and say..:hey guys thanks for *****ing us in that way:

[QUOTE="dragonboot"]

Remember when PC gaming was very respectable. Back then, there were plenty of PC games and most looked better than console games. If you had a powerful PC, you really didn't need a console to be a happy gamer. Now, though, unless you are a MMO or strategy gamer, PC gaming is pretty much dead. GeneralShowzer

What you expect from a level 4 tr…

So PC gaming rests on the shoulders of MS mkay.

I wouldn't call PC gaming dead, but since every non MMO or RTS is also for consoles and half are exclusive to consoles (or come out to PC later with some DRM that induces heavy pirating), then I guess its only a matter of time until RTS and MMO games successfully work on consoles and PC gaming turns into a niche platform for people who love old games.

Anyways, I wouldn't blame MS for all of it. Though you can blame them for Halo not coming on the Mac.

Robot Entertainment is creating a AoE-like game for PC and Fable 3 is releasing on PC as well, ... it's been a while since Microsoft has supported the PC with releases like that.

To the OT, dude, I just did a post about this same exact thing less than 24 hours ago....

But I do agree completely. They seem shameless, even by Mega Corporation standards. And the issues raised here are one of the reasons I've held off on doing my "every 3 years or so" PC upgrade this year. Just don't know how this is gonna go.

Don't get me wrong, I'll always be a PC gamer, but I'm first and foremost a PS gamer first. If the PC market does indeed collapse, at least I won't feel cheated if I don't invest alot of money into hardware upgrades for games that never come.

[QUOTE="James161324"]

But i think why people think it dieing is alot of the major studios have dropped support for pc.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="James161324"]

But i think why people think it dieing is alot of the major studios have dropped support for pc.

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="James161324"]

But i think why people think it dieing is alot of the major studios have dropped support for pc.

HuusAsking

Capcom - Street Fighter 4, Dark Void and Dark Void Zero, Resident Evil 5, Bionic Commando and Bionic Commando: Rearmed, Devil May Cry 4, Lost Planet, Onimusha 3, Age of Booty

Konami - Rocket Knight, Silent Hill, and they already announced Metal Gear Solid Rising to be heading to PC

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[QUOTE="James161324"]

But i think why people think it dieing is alot of the major studios have dropped support for pc.

HuusAsking

Namco? Well, they financed Hellgate, Mage Knight and Warhammer, altough those failed pretty badly :) But hey, they tried and with exclusives. Now they opened up a big casual division and are releasing multiple pc exclusives each year. Plus they are financing PC only Dragon Ball Online

Konami is also bringing plenty of their games to PC nowadays, Rising is coming to PC, every version of Pro Evo lands on PC too and some downloadable games follow them plus Tokimeki Memorial Online is PC only MMO from them too.

Atlus is running their own Shin Megami Tensei RPG and opened up casual division too

Square Enix is developing most of their MMOs either exclusively for PC or primaly for PC, with console versions being secondary concern. They also started to port some of their jRPGs to PC, financed PC-focused Supreme COmmander 2 and PC-exclusive Order of War

Koei is also runnning several MMORPGs that are either PC-centric or simply PC exlusive (likeSangokushi Online)

SEGA: Bought out two PC centric developers (sports Interactive and Creative Assembly) and they still remain pc centric (increasingly so in recent years).

Sure, you might complain that they are MMOs, ports, casual games..whatever. I still proved my point, those companies last gen either completely ignored pc gaming or their support was laughable. In last few years they all started to support PC gaming and invest in it, with either exclusive games or high quality multiplats.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Umm..no..in recent years a lot of major studios and publishers have actualy started to support PC.

AdrianWerner

Namco? Well, they financed Hellgate, Mage Knight and Warhammer, altough those failed pretty badly :) But hey, they tried and with exclusives. Now they opened up a big casual division and are releasing multiple pc exclusives each year. Plus they are financing PC only Dragon Ball Online

Konami is also bringing plenty of their games to PC nowadays, Rising is coming to PC, every version of Pro Evo lands on PC too and some downloadable games follow them plus Tokimeki Memorial Online is PC only MMO from them too.

Atlus is running their own Shin Megami Tensei RPG and opened up casual division too

Square Enix is developing most of their MMOs either exclusively for PC or primaly for PC, with console versions being secondary concern. They also started to port some of their jRPGs to PC, financed PC-focused Supreme COmmander 2 and PC-exclusive Order of War

Koei is also runnning several MMORPGs that are either PC-centric or simply PC exlusive (likeSangokushi Online)

SEGA: Bought out two PC centric developers (sports Interactive and Creative Assembly) and they still remain pc centric (increasingly so in recent years).

Sure, you might complain that they are MMOs, ports, casual games..whatever. I still proved my point, those companies last gen either completely ignored pc gaming or their support was laughable. In last few years they all started to support PC gaming and invest in it, with either exclusive games or high quality multiplats.