Baldur’s Gate III has the potential to be the greatest RPG of all time

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Poll Baldur’s Gate III has the potential to be the greatest RPG of all time (26 votes)

Turn-Based 62%
Real Time With Pause 27%
Both 15%

When the presentation started and I saw that epic cinematic, I told myself it’s going to be great but I was wrong it was even far better than I expected !!!! But not everyone was pleased, there were some people who got mad when they saw that Larian chose the turn-based combat mode over their beloved RTWP, some said that Larian’s new game is just another sequel to Divinity Original Sin not the Baldur’s Gate they used to know.Well I agree with them to some extent, the game has a lot of similarities with DOS2-maybe because they both are using the same engine- and it didn’t look as intense and as dark as previous Baldur’s Gate games but let’s not forget that this is still a work in progress, one of the reasons that game is hitting Early Access is because Larian is going to change a lot of things about it and make it better, so what you saw is not what you get and most importantly ask yourself this question was DOS2 a bad game?

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To those who blame Larian for the decision their made, I want you try to think a bit out of the box and consider that nostalgia is a sharp double-edged sword, it can bring back good old memories but it serves as a reminder of what was and no longer is, just remember why Pillars of Eternity 2 flopped. But enough about that let’s see why BG3 could be the future of RPG ….

Lot of races and classes and ultimate replayability

Baldur's Gate 3 has 15 races and 8 classes, with more to come

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Failure is an option

“Some quests you get from failure. They won’t be available if you succeed on a roll. Or you’ll have relationships that develop because of successful rolls or failed rolls,” he continued. “Even if you fail something there’s usually a chance to repair it and fix it. It might be more difficult. It might take you to a different place. It might take you to a different set of dialogues or a different combat. But we don’t want to say well your entire sense of your character is broken by a bad roll.”

By the way, have you played Disco Elysium ?

You can exploit the environment and aslo …. Verticality

DnD 5th Edition streamlined a lot of things into advantage and disadvantage. One of the big drives that we had is how do we bring that in an actual way to the player? Height is a very easy one. "I have a height advantage, so, okay, let's start thinking about this. Oh, look at that, you can shove people. Well, that's interesting. Let's start shoving people. Okay, this is rather fun."

Table-Top Approach, Roll The Dice

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The thing we are telling people is that we are the dungeon master. And we're just going to play DnD together. That's literally what we're doing here. I think that's an okay approach. Every single person that plays DnD has their own version of it that they're playing.

When we talked to Wizards, we initially thought this is going to be impossible because they're going to want every single rule strictly implemented. On the contrary, they're very open to [change]. There are things that they want to have in there. Then there are things they say, "Well, try to make the best out of it." That's also how they approached 5th edition towards their own players. I think that's a large reason for their success.

Playable in cooperative multiplayer

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#1 deactivated-642321fb121ca
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Sounds like a load of damage control.

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#2 DaVillain  Moderator
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If the reviews are legit, I'll consider it a purchase.

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#3 BassMan
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I do not like turn based combat, so this game has zero chance of being the greatest RPG of all time for me.

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#4 AJuiceMatts
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game looks to be a snooze fest

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#5 deactivated-5e83c14458072
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It looks like DOS with a bigger budget, which is not a bad thing. Far from best RPG of all time though.

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#6 Archangel3371
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Game looks great. I loved Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2 on the PC so I think it’s cool to see it carried on here. That opening cinematic was amazing. I also really enjoyed Divinity: Original Sin on the Xbox One. I’m not interested in getting a gaming PC these days though so I’m really hoping that it’ll make its way to the Xbox Series X so I can play it there.

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#7 blueinheaven
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Claims potential for greatest RPG of all time and by way of proof shows absolutely nothing. Zero.

To answer your question DOS2 wasn't a bad game but it was nothing special either we played the same game already the first time with mediocre characters, dull story and that whole spellcasting environment manipulation thing. They also introduced that awful shield mechanic that made combat incredibly tedious.

The trailer shows what we all recognise as Divinity 3. I'm not sure what Baldur's Gate has to do with any of this outside of the fact that's the name they're going to put on it when they're done.

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#8  Edited By deactivated-6068afec1b77d
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Half-Elf and Half-Drow? Come on, lol

Next thing we know we get to play as a half-tiefling or half-halfling.

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#9 jg4xchamp
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Turn based. Divinity Original Sin and it’s sequel have much better combat than Baldurs Gate 2 ever had. Real time with pause has often been straight lousy outside of rare exceptions, n BG2 isn’t one of them.

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I don't care as long as it's good.

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#11 AfterShafter
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I think the smart money is on "Not a chance in hell this is the best RPG ever." Keeping my eye on it though.

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Why people always set themselves for this kind of dissapointment by calling something the greatest when it could flop or just dissapear by tomorrow. .. yes, in theory every single game to be released has the potential to be the greatest of all time ... yet it could also be the next vanilla No Man's Sky.

In other words ... let's just wait and see before claiming things that we could regreat in the future.

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#13 jeezers
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Never played balders gates, but enjoy divinity OS2, only one I've played.

If its as good as divinity OS2 I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

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#14 uninspiredcup
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@Arkhalipso said:

It looks like DOS with a bigger budget, which is not a bad thing. Far from best RPG of all time though.

But DOS2 is literally considered one of the best RPG's of all time.

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@uninspiredcup: Yeah, it's good. Stopped playing shortly after arriving at nameless isle, but might finish it one day. Liked the first one a bit more, maybe because the second one is pretty much the same. Like I said, I doubt these guys could make "the best RPG of all time". Old fallout games were better.

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@Arkhalipso said:

@uninspiredcup: Yeah, it's good. Stopped playing shortly after arriving at nameless isle, but might finish it one day. Liked the first one a bit more, maybe because the second one is pretty much the same. Like I said, I doubt these guys could make "the best RPG of all time". Old fallout games were better.

I... don't agree with that.

But then "best ever" is a dumbass term mainly used by click-bait websites and weirdo fanbios looking for bias confirmation because they have faith in their own opinion.

"One of the best" is more applicable as it's generally a looser term than "da best ever".

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#17 Postosuchus
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Turn based in general allows for much more tactically diverse fights, especially if the AI is decently crafted. The Original Sins has some of the most satisfying RPG fight encounters I’ve had in video games, even if they got significantly easier after learning the system more.

BG2 was one of the rare RTWP exceptions, brought about by those awesome magic duels and a wide variety of creatures requiring different tactics. Though the former was carried by the cheating Mages (illegal contingencies and spell triggers)

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#18  Edited By Litchie  Online
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Pretty sure I hate real time with pause and that it's the main reason why I didn't like KotOR. It's just really immersion breaking for me, and just not.. fun.

I'd choose turn-based any day.

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@Random_Matt said:

Sounds like a load of damage control.

what damage control mate ? I want you to go see all the impressions and videos , they all praised the game for its innovation and fluid combat system, just a minority of fans hated it , and once again this game is still in pre-alpha stage

@davillain- said:

If the reviews are legit, I'll consider it a purchase.

I'm sure the reviews are going to be legit as F but at the end it's only your opinion that matters

@jeezers said:

Never played balders gates, but enjoy divinity OS2, only one I've played.

If its as good as divinity OS2 I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

considering how they're putting their heart and soul into making this game , I'm sure it's going to be a better than DOS2 , just the tone is more serious and dark

@madsnakehhh said:

Why people always set themselves for this kind of dissapointment by calling something the greatest when it could flop or just dissapear by tomorrow. .. yes, in theory every single game to be released has the potential to be the greatest of all time ... yet it could also be the next vanilla No Man's Sky.

In other words ... let's just wait and see before claiming things that we could regreat in the future.

first of all I said this game has the potential to be the greatest RPG , I didn't say it's the greatest and for the second point , based on what I saw in the presentation and Larian's resume I'm sure this game will be a great RPG btw

One of the more interesting aspects of Baldur’s Gate 3 is that the roleplay isn’t confined to interacting with the world and characters in it. The gameplay reveal showed us that there are times where you’ll be alone and have dialogue choices that organize your thoughts. You can even take on skill checks for certain thoughts that can benefit you or harm you, such as getting a good night’s rest or having a troubled sleep. It was a demonstration that reminded us heavily of the thoughts system in another great RPG, Disco Elysium, and we can’t help but wonder if Larian learned a thing or two to inform their thought and introspection system from the folks at ZA/UM.

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#20 DaVillain  Moderator
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@the_master_race: Baldur’s Gate 3 wasn't on my radar, but I sure as hell enjoy Divinity Original Sins 2 however. We'll see how Baldur's Gate 3 fairs.

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#21 the_master_race
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@davillain- said:

@the_master_race: Baldur’s Gate 3 wasn't on my radar, but I sure as hell enjoy Divinity Original Sins 2 however. We'll see how Baldur's Gate 3 fairs.

Baldur's Gate is better than DOS2 , I can assure you that but what the old fans want is a great story & narrative with memorable characters like Minsc which is the most challenging part of developing this game

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@uninspiredcup: Even "one of the best" is too much for the game IMO. DOS2 isn't really that memorable at all, unlike many other RPGs. It might be to fans of the genre (people who like deep, complex and heavy on dialogue isometric RPGs), but "RPG" is pretty damn wide.

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#23 uninspiredcup
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@Arkhalipso: TBH I prefer the first game, but that's most likely a tiny minority. Looking at Steam reviews people overwhelmingly luvs it.

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@uninspiredcup: So you kinda agree with some of what I said then? Lol.

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#25 uninspiredcup
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@Arkhalipso said:

@uninspiredcup: So you kinda agree with some of what I said then? Lol.

I prefer the first game? Sure, if you prefer the first game then we agree.

Not sure i'd say it's a better game. Both are very good though.

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A legend in the making.

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#27 djoffer
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Going to be epic!!! Can’t freakin wait! Might be the first game where I buy into EA, just because I can’t wait:)

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#28 mrbojangles25
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If Larian has made a bad game, I've never heard of it. Plus they seem to be getting better and better with each release.

I expect BG3 to be excellent. Best ever? We shall see.

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@uninspiredcup said:

I... don't agree with that.

But then "best ever" is a dumbass term mainly used by click-bait websites and weirdo fanbios looking for bias confirmation because they have faith in their own opinion.

"One of the best" is more applicable as it's generally a looser term than "da best ever".

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

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#30 Jag85
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Extremely unlikely.