Battlefield 4 Superior on X1 because of DX11???

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

Well, that's interesting news...

sure because one software api is incapable of achieving similar results to another software api. It all lands on the developer at the end of the day, and wether they think it would be profitable to put in the work for opengl. 

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

kbanna

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

kbanna

sure because one software api is incapable of achieving similar results to another software api. It all lands on the developer at the end of the day, and wether they think it would be profitable to put in the work for opengl. 

way2funny

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

RedentSC

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

sure because one software api is incapable of achieving similar results to another software api. It all lands on the developer at the end of the day, and wether they think it would be profitable to put in the work for opengl. 

lowkey254

opengl is miles aheadlegalize82

Erm, while not using stock DX11 the PS4 can use its featureset ... it might be more optimized on X1 .... but then will the power difference make that optimization mean nothing? probably.MBirdy88

opengl is miles aheadlegalize82

No.

opengl is miles aheadlegalize82

[QUOTE="legalize82"]opengl is miles aheadMBirdy88

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="legalize82"]opengl is miles aheadlegalize82

LMAO You have no clue what you are talking about :lol:

opengl is miles aheadlegalize82

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Erm, while not using stock DX11 the PS4 can use its featureset ... it might be more optimized on X1 .... but then will the power difference make that optimization mean nothing? probably.kbanna

[QUOTE="kbanna"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Erm, while not using stock DX11 the PS4 can use its featureset ... it might be more optimized on X1 .... but then will the power difference make that optimization mean nothing? probably.MBirdy88

We all knew multiplats would continue to be better on the Xbox console. 

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="kbanna"] What is the confirmed power difference?kbanna

opengl is miles aheadlegalize82

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="kbanna"] What is the confirmed power difference?kbanna

Yea!!! Well...Xbox Sucks!

sure because one software api is incapable of achieving similar results to another software api. It all lands on the developer at the end of the day, and wether they think it would be profitable to put in the work for opengl. 

way2funny

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] The 1/3 more powerful GPU? the better RAM.MBirdy88

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] The 1/3 more powerful GPU? the better RAM.MBirdy88

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="kbanna"] Link to MS confirmed specs of the X1??

kbanna

[QUOTE="kbanna"][QUOTE="MBirdy88"] Why does MS have to confirm it? people open it up themselves.... the damn specs for both systems have been quoted a million times already. stop trying to find straw arguements.soapman72

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

-Sony Senior Staff Engineer, Chris Norden

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

sure because one software api is incapable of achieving similar results to another software api. It all lands on the developer at the end of the day, and wether they think it would be profitable to put in the work for opengl. 

way2funny

Exactly...:lol:

I give it a day or 2 before people start flaming EA and some one from inside the company correct this..:lol:

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

Netherscourge

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

xboxiphoneps3

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

ermacness

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

-Sony Senior Staff Engineer, Chris Norden

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

Netherscourge

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

Netherscourge

What sony is probably doing is taking the directx11 api and providing their own implementation for it. Or implementing the directx11 api with opengl. Since I doubt microsoft would give Sony the directx 11 implementation. Thats just buzz talk, I would not even be arguing on apis. Directx11 this, opengl that, they are both about equal and both have their share of issues. At the end of the day, its just software, the software isn't going to magically make the hardware to what it physically can't. Which means at the end of the day it just depends on the developers and where they think its most profitable to invest their time. And sony sees the appeal to developers with dx11 so accordingly they are providing an easy path for porting by allowing devs to use the dx11.1 apis. Not the implementation.

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

-Sony Senior Staff Engineer, Chris Norden

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

Netherscourge

/Thread.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

kbanna

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="kbanna"] What is the confirmed power difference?kbanna

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] The 1/3 more powerful GPU? the better RAM.ermacness

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

-Sony Senior Staff Engineer, Chris Norden

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

Douevenlift_bro

/Thread.

What?

Then Valve is wrong? According to them, OpenGL is 10-20% faster, even on Windows:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

xboxiphoneps3

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

Douevenlift_bro

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

-Sony Senior Staff Engineer, Chris Norden

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

Netherscourge

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

UM....

The PS4 DOES use Direct X 11. In fact, it uses a HYBRID version of it with improvements over the standard version:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

So what is this mess about DX11 only on XB1 again?

legalize82