Battlefield 4 Superior on X1 because of DX11???

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

And? The Xbox isn't near release either, yet MS have shown how they are going to improve online multiplayer. Thats the difference between Sony and MS, MS take online gaming seriously. Son just copied the 360, and now they're sticking a $50 price tag on it LOL

And you know that if Sony come out at gamescom or whatever with some online features that the X1 has, that I'm just going to accuse them of copying? :cool:

Not an original bone in their body.

ermacness

Microsoft online network for games like this BF4 and Call Of Duty are second to none.     PSN needs alot of catching up to do, its going to get mangled this gen when it comes to this stuff.

I doubt it.   I think it will be much improved, but too much in favor of the xbox.   Who knows tho, you might be right, money is on MSFT.

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

Baurus_1

And IT HAS BEGUN.

History repeating itself. I TOLD YOU SO.

Don't be surprised if A LOT of multiplats look and run better on XBOX ONE compared to PS4.

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

lostrib

And IT HAS BEGUN.

History repeating itself. I TOLD YOU SO.

Don't be surprised if A LOT of multiplats look and run better on XBOX ONE compared to PS4.

wait for the game to actually come out

so true man.....   i never was here before the 360/ps3 but this kinda stuff is downright silly before the launches of consoles.   was it this pathetic last gen at the same time before launches?

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

crusadernm

And IT HAS BEGUN.

History repeating itself. I TOLD YOU SO.

Don't be surprised if A LOT of multiplats look and run better on XBOX ONE compared to PS4.

True. However, Cows don't seem to realize this and that's why the keep focusing on trivial things like GDDR5, meanwhile the XBOX ONE is already running multiplats better.

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] Netherscourage is rightXBOunity

xboxiphoneps3 is owned.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

[QUOTE="kbanna"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

The PS4 is licensed for Direct X 11.1 (PLUS advanced features that SONY incoporating on it's own)

The XBox 360 will use DirectX 11.2 (which hasn't been released yet)

Battlefield 4 is being built on Direct X 11.1, as are 99% of all PC game at the moment.

DX11.2 is still in development.

Netherscourge

The PS4 is a X86-64 machine. Microsoft makes some money on the licensing to Sony. Just like Sony makes money on licensing Blu-Ray media to Microsoft.

If Microsoft refused to license Direct X to Sony, Sony would tell Microsoft try to bring back their failed HD-DVD format for the XboxOne instead of letting them use Blu-Ray media.

At the end of the day, Blu-Ray compatibility (for movies and games) is more valuable to Microsoft than Direct X exclusivity.

BTW - the Wii-U uses Direct X 11 and DirectCompute too.

do you know bluray is developed by consortium right ? and directx is microsoft api and exclusive

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"]

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

crusadernm

And IT HAS BEGUN.

History repeating itself. I TOLD YOU SO.

Don't be surprised if A LOT of multiplats look and run better on XBOX ONE compared to PS4.

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"] http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/314286-How-The-Crew-was-ported-to-PlayStation-4 ""A more crucial issue is that, while the PS4 toolchain is designed to be familiar to those working on PC, the new Sony hardware doesn't use the DirectX API, so Sony has supplied two of their own."

xboxiphoneps3

xboxiphoneps3 is owned.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

[QUOTE="crusadernm"][QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

And IT HAS BEGUN.

History repeating itself. I TOLD YOU SO.

Don't be surprised if A LOT of multiplats look and run better on XBOX ONE compared to PS4.

hoosier7

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"] http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php/314286-How-The-Crew-was-ported-to-PlayStation-4 ""A more crucial issue is that, while the PS4 toolchain is designed to be familiar to those working on PC, the new Sony hardware doesn't use the DirectX API, so Sony has supplied two of their own."

xboxiphoneps3

xboxiphoneps3 is owned.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

xboxiphoneps3 is owned.

kbanna

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

xboxiphoneps3andriodx1ps4 is owned

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

xboxiphoneps3 is owned.

Baurus_1

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

[QUOTE="kbanna"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

 

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

XBOunity

xboxiphoneps3andriodx1ps4 is owned

[QUOTE="legalize82"]opengl is miles aheadparkurtommo

Valve says so

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

But heres the best bit: Using these new OpenGL optimizations, the OpenGL version of L4D2 on Windows is now faster than the DirectX version. With the same hardware, Windows 7/OpenGL/L4D2 clocks in at 303.4 fps compared to Windows 7/DirectX/L4D2 at 270.6 fps. In short: OpenGL is faster than DirectX.

As for why OpenGL is faster than DirectX/Direct3D, the simple answer is that OpenGL seems to have a smoother, more efficient pipeline. At 303.4 fps, OpenGL is rendering a frame every 3.29 milliseconds; at 270.6 fps, DirectX is rendering a frame in 3.69 milliseconds. That 0.4 millisecond difference is down to how fast the DirectX pipeline can process and draw 3D data.

If OpenGL is faster, why is DirectX still the predominant API? It isnt because of image quality or features: OpenGL 4.0 has all of shaders and tessellators and widgets that DX has. It isnt because of hardware support: All Nvidia and AMD graphics cards support the latest version of OpenGL along with DirectX.

Really, it all comes down to that crummy old thing we call the network effect and, of course, monopolistic heft and marketing dollars. DirectX, because it has a cleaner API and better documentation, is easier to learn. More developers using DirectX = more DirectX games = better driver support. This is a vicious loop that again leads to more DX devs, more DX games, and better DX drivers/tools/documentation. Microsoft has relentlessly marketed DirectX, too and who can forget the release of Windows Vista and Microsofts OpenGL smear campaign? Vistas bundled version of OpenGL was completely crippled, forcing many devs to switch to DirectX.

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

 

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

xboxiphoneps3

LOL butthurt enjoy your PS 3.5 while i enjoy kinect 2,voice command,tv and project spark

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Microsoft online network for games like this BF4 and Call Of Duty are second to none.     PSN needs alot of catching up to do, its going to get mangled this gen when it comes to this stuff.

XBOunity

I doubt it.   I think it will be much improved, but too much in favor of the xbox.   Who knows tho, you might be right, money is on MSFT.

Erm, while not using stock DX11 the PS4 can use its featureset ... it might be more optimized on X1 .... but then will the power difference make that optimization mean nothing? probably.MBirdy88

This whole thread is people arguing with other people about things they have no idea about. Even worse is they post quotes they don't understand to try to back up an argument they can't possible win. It's funny.

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

nyzma23

LOL butthurt enjoy your PS 3.5 while i enjoy kinect 2,voice command,tv and project spark

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

nyzma23

LOL butthurt enjoy your PS 3.5 while i enjoy kinect 2,voice command,tv and project spark

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] you mad bro? i can buy a ps4 which costs 100 dollars less and buy two games for the price of just one Xbox One console alone. :lol: i will enjoy superior multiplats on my PS4 compared to XB1 as said by DF themselves :lol: :lol: :lol: xboxiphoneps3

LOL butthurt enjoy your PS 3.5 while i enjoy kinect 2,voice command,tv and project spark

ouch project spark is the best game i've ever seen too bad it won't be on your ps 3.5

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="kbanna"] First of all your quote is from March 2013, mine is from July 2013. Also the argument here was not wether or not the Sony API is an improvement over DX 11, it was wether Sony was licensed to use DX 11 itself. My article says they are not, and your article kinda says the same thing. Its an API that is copying DX 11 feature set which is exactly what I said earlier. xboxiphoneps3

xboxiphoneps3andriodx1ps4 is owned

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="nyzma23"]

 

LOL butthurt enjoy your PS 3.5 while i enjoy kinect 2,voice command,tv and project spark

nyzma23

ouch project spark is the best game i've ever seen too bad it won't be on your ps 3.5

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="XBOunity"]

xboxiphoneps3andriodx1ps4 is owned

kbanna

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

 

LOL butthurt enjoy your PS 3.5 while i enjoy kinect 2,voice command,tv and project spark

ermacness

ouch project spark is the best game i've ever seen too bad it won't be on your ps 3.5

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="nyzma23"] LOL project Sparks.... LMFAO :lol: xboxiphoneps3

ouch project spark is the best game i've ever seen too bad it won't be on your ps 3.5

This whole thread is people arguing with other people about things they have no idea about. Even worse is they post quotes they don't understand to try to back up an argument they can't possible win. It's funny.

Wasdie

This whole thread is people arguing with other people about things they have no idea about. Even worse is they post quotes they don't understand to try to back up an argument they can't possible win. It's funny.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="nyzma23"] LOL project Sparks.... LMFAO :lol: xboxiphoneps3

ouch project spark is the best game i've ever seen too bad it won't be on your ps 3.5

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="ermacness"]

 

ouch project spark is the best game i've ever seen too bad it won't be on your ps 3.5

ShaineTheNerd

now if only x1 gpu wasn't a laughable joke i may believe thatsilversix_

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] LOL project Sparks.... LMFAO :lol: ermacness

ouch project spark is the best game i've ever seen too bad it won't be on your ps 3.5

Then they are not going to be giving a crap about a lot of awesome games.

Project Spark = yet another awesome XBOX ONE / PC Exclusive that PS4 can't match.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]now if only x1 gpu wasn't a laughable joke i may believe thatfyron256

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="nyzma23"]

 

ouch project spark is the best game i've ever seen too bad it won't be on your ps 3.5

Baurus_1

Then they are not going to be giving a crap about a lot of awesome games.

Project Spark = yet another awesome XBOX ONE / PC Exclusive that PS4 can't match.

[QUOTE="silversix_"]now if only x1 gpu wasn't a laughable joke i may believe thatfyron256

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

xboxiphoneps3 is owned.

kbanna

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

[QUOTE="kbanna"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/sony-dives-deep-into-the-ps4s-hardware-power-controller-features-at-gdc/

 

Sony is building its CPU on what it's calling an extended DirectX 11.1+ feature set, including extra debugging support that is not available on PC platforms. This system will also give developers more direct access to the shader pipeline than they had on the PS3 or through DirectX itself. "This is access you're not used to getting on the PC, and as a result you can do a lot more cool things and have a lot more access to the power of the system," Norden said. A low-level API will also let coders talk directly with the hardware in a way that's "much lower-level than DirectX and OpenGL," but still not quite at the driver level.

fyron256

This whole thread is people arguing with other people about things they have no idea about. Even worse is they post quotes they don't understand to try to back up an argument they can't possible win. It's funny.

Wasdie

This needs repeating.

[QUOTE="fyron256"][QUOTE="silversix_"]now if only x1 gpu wasn't a laughable joke i may believe thatermacness

[QUOTE="kbanna"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Answer me this then. How come the only improvements to online gaming that Sony have talked about are things the 360 has been doing for years? Things like party chat? Have they even talked about other improvements to online play? You know its a sad sad situation when Sony brags about party chat. They're years late.

MS on the other hand have talked about improving parties to 32 people, revamping the matchmaking system to better match people and quicker too, re-working the voice comms so that in game voice chat is skype quality, making the rep system a lot more in depth in order to separate decent players from trash talking douche bags etc etc.

Then theres the Azure cloud thats not a service to stream old games (like Gaikai is) but a service that provides back end support for all games, from adding persistant worlds to RPGs to hosting dedicated servers for multiplayer games.

I think theres a reason that all we've heard about PSN is the ability to play a game while it downloads LOL there probably isn't mush else for them to brag about.

RR360DD

The fact its running on XBL and not PS(lol)N makes it better by default. Add in the superior XOne controller it ou have the definitive console version :cool:RR360DD

:P Mmmm. Rumble trigger feedback. The best controller just got better. 

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="fyron256"] There is no hard proof or statement from MS themselves on what the GPU is like. Everyone is just going on rumors. But nothing solid.fyron256

XBOX ONE!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="fyron256"] There is no hard proof or statement from MS themselves on what the GPU is like. Everyone is just going on rumors. But nothing solid.fyron256

[QUOTE="fyron256"][QUOTE="ermacness"]Go ahead and grasp that straw. The GPU specs won't be much ,if at all, any different from the specs now.

ermacness

XBOX ONE!!!!!!!