Battlefield 4 Superior on X1 because of DX11???

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[QUOTE="fyron256"] Why so sensitive? I'm not grasping at any straw. You say it like you're so sure. If you have a solid link please provide it and I will no longer call it a rumor.fyron256

XBOX ONE!!!!!!!

But the gameplay will be bad. Who cares?

[QUOTE="fyron256"][QUOTE="ermacness"]This is all I have , and they're not saying that these specs are rumors.

 

 

XBOX ONE!!!!!!!

xboxiphoneps3

But the gameplay will be bad. Who cares?

uninspiredcup

best on PC. Consoles are just fighting over first loser. NFJSupreme

http://www.info-pc.info/2013/07/battlefield-4-next-gen-battlelog-20.html "Now this is the interesting bit, DICE confirms that the Frostbite 3 engine supports DirectX 11.1 API as revealed by DSOGaming.
We use DX11.1, there are some optimizations in it (constant buffer offsets, dynamic buffers as SRVs) that we got in to the the API that improves CPU performance in our rendering when one runs with DX11.1. This will be in BF4.
This means that PC and Xbox One versions of Battlefield 4 would be more optimized than PlayStation 4."

kbanna

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/07/17/keynotes-for-amd-developer-summit-2013-announced/

EA DICE's Frostbite 3.0 with HSA.

best on PC. Consoles are just fighting over first loser. NFJSupreme

It's funny to watch though.

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

But the gameplay will be bad. Who cares?

xboxiphoneps3

opengl is miles aheadlegalize82

:lol:

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="legalize82"]opengl is miles aheadxboxiphoneps3

Valve says so

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

But heres the best bit: Using these new OpenGL optimizations, the OpenGL version of L4D2 on Windows is now faster than the DirectX version. With the same hardware, Windows 7/OpenGL/L4D2 clocks in at 303.4 fps compared to Windows 7/DirectX/L4D2 at 270.6 fps. In short: OpenGL is faster than DirectX.

As for why OpenGL is faster than DirectX/Direct3D, the simple answer is that OpenGL seems to have a smoother, more efficient pipeline. At 303.4 fps, OpenGL is rendering a frame every 3.29 milliseconds; at 270.6 fps, DirectX is rendering a frame in 3.69 milliseconds. That 0.4 millisecond difference is down to how fast the DirectX pipeline can process and draw 3D data.

If OpenGL is faster, why is DirectX still the predominant API? It isnt because of image quality or features: OpenGL 4.0 has all of shaders and tessellators and widgets that DX has. It isnt because of hardware support: All Nvidia and AMD graphics cards support the latest version of OpenGL along with DirectX.

Really, it all comes down to that crummy old thing we call the network effect and, of course, monopolistic heft and marketing dollars. DirectX, because it has a cleaner API and better documentation, is easier to learn. More developers using DirectX = more DirectX games = better driver support. This is a vicious loop that again leads to more DX devs, more DX games, and better DX drivers/tools/documentation. Microsoft has relentlessly marketed DirectX, too and who can forget the release of Windows Vista and Microsofts OpenGL smear campaign? Vistas bundled version of OpenGL was completely crippled, forcing many devs to switch to DirectX.

OpenGL is better and faster,and had PRT support for way longer time than DirectX has which show how behind MS is vs OpenGL.

I'm sure BF4 on PS4 will look and be fantastic. Lems need to stop!:roll:

OpenGL is better and faster,and had PRT support for way longer time than DirectX has which show how behind MS is vs OpenGL.

tormentos

lol no if it's better faster why AAA titles use dx and not open gl

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OpenGL is better and faster,and had PRT support for way longer time than DirectX has which show how behind MS is vs OpenGL.

nyzma23

lol no if it's better faster why AAA titles use dx and not open gl

For teh same reason people use Windows and not Mac..;)

RAGE used OPENGL, look where that led.

I don't even know what opengl and dx11 means, I just know opengl sucks

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Give it up cows, I know you want it to work out but Microsofts DX will always be better

I don't even know what opengl and dx11 means, I just know opengl sucks

:cool:

Give it up cows, I know you want it to work out but Microsofts DX will always be better

RR360DD

OpenGL is better and faster,and had PRT support for way longer time than DirectX has which show how behind MS is vs OpenGL.

tormentos

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

I don't even know what opengl and dx11 means, I just know opengl sucks

:cool:

Give it up cows, I know you want it to work out but Microsofts DX will always be better

xboxiphoneps3

Damn; I sure hate misleading thread titles.

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]best on PC. Consoles are just fighting over first loser. handssss

Lol Battlefield...poor man's CoD:lol:

Lol Battlefield...poor man's CoD:lol:

aroxx_ab

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Lol Battlefield...poor man's CoD:lol:

ShaineTheNerd

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

Lol Battlefield...poor man's CoD:lol:

ShaineTheNerd

Lol Battlefield...poor man's CoD:lol:

aroxx_ab

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

OpenGL is better and faster,and had PRT support for way longer time than DirectX has which show how behind MS is vs OpenGL.

tormentos

lol no if it's better faster why AAA titles use dx and not open gl

For teh same reason people use Windows and not Mac..;)

pretty sure it's not the same reason

Lol Battlefield...poor man's CoD:lol:

aroxx_ab

PTFO, scrub

as far as OpenGL vs DirectX you will get a different answer depending on who you talk to.  Judging by this video the differences are negligible and not even worth arguing about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vk__hyOM2M

as far as OpenGL vs DirectX you will get a different answer depending on who you talk to.  Judging by this video the differences are negligible and not even worth arguing about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vk__hyOM2M

NFJSupreme

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as far as OpenGL vs DirectX you will get a different answer depending on who you talk to.  Judging by this video the differences are negligible and not even worth arguing about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vk__hyOM2M

Tessellation

the person who made the video said FRAPS locked the FPS.

as far as OpenGL vs DirectX you will get a different answer depending on who you talk to.  Judging by this video the differences are negligible and not even worth arguing about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vk__hyOM2M

NFJSupreme

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

Lol Battlefield...poor man's CoD:lol:

lostrib

PTFO, scrub

TCHBO 

OpenGL is better and faster,and had PRT support for way longer time than DirectX has which show how behind MS is vs OpenGL.

tormentos

DX11.2 has standardized tiled resource calls while OpenGL has vendor specfic extensions.

'The actual innovation in graphics has definitely been driven by Microsoft in the last ten years or so,' explained AMD's GPU worldwide developer relations manager, Richard Huddy. 'OpenGL has largely been tracking that, rather than coming up with new methods. The geometry shader, for example, which came in with Vista and DirectX 10, is wholly Microsoft's invention in the first place.'

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/03/11/carmack-directx-better-opengl/

What?

Then Valve is wrong? According to them, OpenGL is 10-20% faster, even on Windows:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/133824-valve-opengl-is-faster-than-directx-even-on-windows

SambaLele

[QUOTE="crusadernm"][QUOTE="legalize82"]opengl is miles aheadlegalize82

DIrect3D can be customised as shown by Intel's vendor specfic extensions.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2008/10/22/nvidia-gpus-support-dx10-1-features-in-far-cry-2/1

NVIDIA kitbashed DirectX 10.0 with thier own DirectX10.1 like features.

LOL at "DX10.1 being useless" statements when NVIDIA rolled thier own DX10.1 like extensions.

The PS4 is licensed for Direct X 11.1 (PLUS advanced features that SONY incoporating on it's own)

The XBox 360 will use DirectX 11.2 (which hasn't even been released yet)

Battlefield 4 is being built on Direct X 11.1, as are 99% of all higher-end PC games in development at the moment. (which focus on the DX API)

DX11.2 is still in development. OH AND BTW, since DX11.2 is Window 8.1 exclusive, developers will be forced to either stay on their beloved Windows 7 to make console games or upgrade to Window 8.1, which most developers can't stand, in order to use DX 11.2.

Most developers are happy staying on Windows 7 to develop their games with 11.1 and they'd rather just stick to Windows 7.

Upgrading to Windows 8.1 just to get some DX 11.2 features into a console game is not worth the hassle.

They will build their games on Windows 7 with the DX 11.1 API, because Windows 8.1 and the Xbox 1 are both backward compatible for DX 11.1. So, why waste the money an aggrivation upgrading to Windows 8.1? It's not worth it.

You may thank Steve Ballmer for that miscalculation.

Netherscourge

Windows 8.1. is a free upgrade for Windows 8.0 users.

To support the improvements with DX11.2, the display driver model has been changed in Windows 8.1

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Lol Battlefield...poor man's CoD:lol:

lostrib

DirectX is OpenGL without limitations and restrictions.

Want new DX? buy new version of MS Windows

DirectX is OpenGL without limitations and restrictions.

Want new DX? buy new version of MS Windows

ZoomZoom2490

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DirectX is OpenGL without limitations and restrictions.

Want new DX? buy new version of MS Windows

ronvalencia

That's true if you're talking about MS's console.

PS3 exclusives went beyond what DX9 had to offer with OpenGL, just so you know.

Lol at anyone who thinks multiplats on x1 wil beat ps4.

Lol at anyone who thinks multiplats on x1 wil beat ps4.

AM-Gamer