*Battlefield Producer * Death of PC Gaming a "Crazy Idea"

Battlefield Heroes producer thinks consoles market is niche.

If you are reading this, chances are it's from a PC, unless you printed this document out for some reason. Point is, there are a lot of PCs out there and according to an interview over at Gamasutra, Ben Cousins, senior producer on EA's Battlefield Heroes, believes PC gaming has massive potential and thinks console gaming is niche in comparison.

Battlefield Heroes, a WWII shooter that is free to play, will be supported by micro-transactions and Web-based advertising. Cousins asserts that the potential for this type of revenue is much greater on the PC than the consoles because there are hundreds of millions of PCs, where as there are only tens of millions of consoles; because of this he thinks it is a "crazy idea" to think the PC is dying.

Cousins believes that PC games will continue to push the thriving online connectivity front, "...They're going to have an element of persistence which you need to be connected online to do; and they're going to be, probably, more multiplayer focused."

With gaming growing each and every year, Cousins asserts that we've only reached the tip of the iceberg. He cites the massive popularity of the NES when it first came out which was then blown away by the release of the mainstream friendly PlayStation. "...It really feels like... we're on the cusp of another expansive period of growth, between the DS and the Wii audiences, and there's also an opportunity on the PC now."

Cousins sees potential for innovation in the Asian countries, which tends to be ignored for its pirate friendly markets. He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different." He therefore isn't so much interested in which console will win the next generation war, but which platform will win over the internets, "the real key platform is the web itself... That's where we're going to see the next revolution in gaming, is with Web delivery, and Web gameplay."

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What he is saying is that, if people get informed that there PC's can turn into gaming machines by buying a graphics card, then PC will only get even bigger. Hopefully the PCGA will do their job and inform people they have a SUPERIOR gaming platform in thier home. The PCGA is helping to lower PC hardware prices, so yea PC's future looks bright, Powerful hardware for lower prices makes a profit for companies and now Nvidia and ATI both realize this, look at the 8800 GT's success powerful and cheap, sold 2 million in 3 months and made Nvidia company of the year.

Im from India and online gaming works perfectly fine thanks to dedicated servers in singapore and hong kong. i get a ping of 60 and there is 0 lag even with my crappy connection.anshul89

thats good

The only people that think PC gaming is dying are the incredibly stupid or the trolls. Kantroce

yup

PC Gaming isn't what it used to be. I would also go to extent of saying it is Dieing. Then again we all die at a very slow rate. They still have time to find the cure. Antikyth3ra

Would love your opinion on while PC gaming is dying. I can't see it.

And if you say its because PC games are going on consoles, i'll say console games are coming on PCs now like mercenaries 2, devil may cry 4, etc etc

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

Hehehe Ben Cousins, the AFL footballer / royal douche.

Oh wait where was I?

The man speaks the truth.

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

jangojay

Well I think he's mostly referring to owning a PC, His analogy is that as long as there are pc's all you need to do is make games which are accessible to them and let's be honest: a PC is really a must in any future household, while a console really is only something you would buy if you have to much money (like in most western countries).

Though a real high end gaming rig is infact more expensive than a console.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

_Pedro_

Well I think he's mostly referring to owning a PC, His analogy is that as long as there are pc's all you need to do is make games which are accessible to them and let's be honest: a PC is really a must in any future household, while a console really is only something you would buy if you have to much money (like in most western countries).

Though a real high end gaming rig is infact more expensive than a console.

True, but it's honestly alot more expensive down here than PCs (caribbean that is) and I suspect ALOT of places are the same. My rig cost me 1100 US yet my xbox was 950 :S. Hell even the wii is pretty expensive down here, it's only 50us less than a 360.

Consoles are a Niche Market? What is this guy High?black_awpN1

In comparison.

[QUOTE="Antikyth3ra"]PC Gaming isn't what it used to be. I would also go to extent of saying it is Dieing. Then again we all die at a very slow rate. They still have time to find the cure. crozon

Would love your opinion on while PC gaming is dying. I can't see it.

And if you say its because PC games are going on consoles, i'll say console games are coming on PCs now like mercenaries 2, devil may cry 4, etc etc

PC gaming is all about Online gaming. Sure they have some OKAY single player games and no casual local multiplayer games and they never had. Online PC gaming isn't what it used to be. Look at the games of the past some are still kicking. CS 1.6, Quake 2 and Quake 3 Arena (Including Urban Terror), UT '99, Starcraft, Team Fortress, Call Of Duty 1 and 2, Battlefield series, Rogue Spear.. the list could go on. These are all great games and no one could argue that. Now the PC market is full of crap. Games like Crysis, Rainbow Six Vegas... Wow I can't even think of anymore. Comparing the Present to the past PC gaming is abysmal. Thus PC gaming must be dieing.

[QUOTE="crozon"]

[QUOTE="Antikyth3ra"]PC Gaming isn't what it used to be. I would also go to extent of saying it is Dieing. Then again we all die at a very slow rate. They still have time to find the cure. Antikyth3ra

Would love your opinion on while PC gaming is dying. I can't see it.

And if you say its because PC games are going on consoles, i'll say console games are coming on PCs now like mercenaries 2, devil may cry 4, etc etc

PC gaming is all about Online gaming. Sure they have some OKAY single player games and no casual local multiplayer games and they never had. Online PC gaming isn't what it used to be. Look at the games of the past some are still kicking. CS 1.6, Quake 2 and Quake 3 Arena (Including Urban Terror), UT '99, Starcraft, Team Fortress, Call Of Duty 1 and 2, Battlefield series, Rogue Spear.. the list could go on. These are all great games and no one could argue that. Now the PC market is full of crap. Games like Crysis, Rainbow Six Vegas... Wow I can't even think of anymore. Comparing the Present to the past PC gaming is abysmal. Thus PC gaming must be dieing.

Crysis is good and Rainbow Six vegas got consolised.

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

jangojay

Fun fact. Especially overseas, consoles are incredibly expensive. It makes owning a PC much more attractive when the costs are practically the same.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

jeffwulf

Fun fact. Especially overseas, consoles are incredibly expensive. It makes owning a PC much more attractive when the costs are practically the same.

I know.. it something they on these boards don't see and use that argument that PC gaming is expensive when it's mostly NA .. that's why I said say in your country.

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

jangojay

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

anshul89

Yea that's why I said they should say it's more expensive in THIER country and not make a general statement.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

jangojay

Yea that's why I said they should say it's more expensive in THIER country and not make a general statement.

[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

anshul89

Yea that's why I said they should say it's more expensive in THIER country and not make a general statement.

Heh, 75%? That's a really inflated figure, of all the PC GAMERS I know none of them pirate software (maybe music and movies). Piracy is damage done by casuals, wouldn't think of playing through my favorite games for free when I know that I wouldn't be getting a sequel because of it, would just be hurting myself to that end. Think any real gamer would see it the same way.

Consoles are a Niche Market? What is this guy High?black_awpN1

No, he is just right

Your high

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

Crzy1

Yea that's why I said they should say it's more expensive in THIER country and not make a general statement.

Heh, 75%? That's a really inflated figure, of all the PC GAMERS I know none of them pirate software (maybe music and movies). Piracy is damage done by casuals, wouldn't think of playing through my favorite games for free when I know that I wouldn't be getting a sequel because of it, would just be hurting myself to that end. Think any real gamer would see it the same way.

[QUOTE="crozon"]

[QUOTE="Antikyth3ra"]PC Gaming isn't what it used to be. I would also go to extent of saying it is Dieing. Then again we all die at a very slow rate. They still have time to find the cure. Antikyth3ra

Would love your opinion on while PC gaming is dying. I can't see it.

And if you say its because PC games are going on consoles, i'll say console games are coming on PCs now like mercenaries 2, devil may cry 4, etc etc

PC gaming is all about Online gaming. Sure they have some OKAY single player games and no casual local multiplayer games and they never had. Online PC gaming isn't what it used to be. Look at the games of the past some are still kicking. CS 1.6, Quake 2 and Quake 3 Arena (Including Urban Terror), UT '99, Starcraft, Team Fortress, Call Of Duty 1 and 2, Battlefield series, Rogue Spear.. the list could go on. These are all great games and no one could argue that. Now the PC market is full of crap. Games like Crysis, Rainbow Six Vegas... Wow I can't even think of anymore. Comparing the Present to the past PC gaming is abysmal. Thus PC gaming must be dieing.

what you are saying is gaming is dying cause you never mentioned the console games that beat these games you are talking about.

And single player games are ok on the PC, what about half life series, deus ex, crysis (sorry a lot of people love it), bioshock, COD4, portal, witcher, oblivion. Some of these games maybe on a console but that doesn't matter cause they play real well on the PC.

what you are saying is gaming is dying cause you never mentioned the console games that beat these games you are talking about.

And single player games are ok on the PC, what about half life series, deus ex, crysis (sorry a lot of people love it), bioshock, COD4, portal, witcher, oblivion. Some of these games maybe on a console but that doesn't matter cause they play real well on the PC.

crozon

At a higher price.. So why do it? Deus Ex is awesome so is System Shock 2 as well as Half Life 2. Witcher and Oblivion are mediocre. Oblivion took an amazing franchise and made it okay. Games on PC are still primarily for Online.

Oh and I did say they were OKAY. PC gaming still misses on some good Single Player franchises such as DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Dead Rising etc...

[QUOTE="crozon"]

what you are saying is gaming is dying cause you never mentioned the console games that beat these games you are talking about.

And single player games are ok on the PC, what about half life series, deus ex, crysis (sorry a lot of people love it), bioshock, COD4, portal, witcher, oblivion. Some of these games maybe on a console but that doesn't matter cause they play real well on the PC.

Antikyth3ra

At a higher price.. So why do it? Deus Ex is awesome so is System Shock 2 as well as Half Life 2. Witcher and Oblivion are mediocre. Oblivion took an amazing franchise and made it okay. Games on PC are still primarily for Online.

Oh and I did say they were OKAY. PC gaming still misses on some good Single Player franchises such as DMC, Ninja Gaiden, Dead Rising etc...

Witcher and STALKER are mediocre?

Crysis is primarily a single player game too...in fact it would seem as though their are far more single player oriented games on the PC than on the Consoles nowadays....

well the way you view Crysis and the witcher is the way i view DMC, Ninja Gaiden and Dead rising

And for me PCs are for games that really i can't play on a console.

I want a mouse and keyboard for shooters,

I want to use my G25 steering wheel and trackir for racing games like live for speed, GTR2, Race07, Dirt

I want a proper joystick and flight sims, lock on, flight sim x, il2

free to play games, project torque, new battlefield game,

adventure games like sam and max

and online games like the new conan game, jumpgate evolution and all those PC shooters on dedicated servers.

and what price, well PC games are a lot cheaper than console games and i use my PCs for more than games, so a PC is a way better investment.

I want to get a console, but its expensive for what it does and the list of games on it not on a PC, doesn't interest me except for GT5, GTAIV and burnout

Battlefield Heroes producer thinks consoles market is niche.

If you are reading this, chances are it's from a PC, unless you printed this document out for some reason. Point is, there are a lot of PCs out there and according to an interview over at Gamasutra, Ben Cousins, senior producer on EA's Battlefield Heroes, believes PC gaming has massive potential and thinks console gaming is niche in comparison.

Battlefield Heroes, a WWII shooter that is free to play, will be supported by micro-transactions and Web-based advertising. Cousins asserts that the potential for this type of revenue is much greater on the PC than the consoles because there are hundreds of millions of PCs, where as there are only tens of millions of consoles; because of this he thinks it is a "crazy idea" to think the PC is dying.

Cousins believes that PC games will continue to push the thriving online connectivity front, "...They're going to have an element of persistence which you need to be connected online to do; and they're going to be, probably, more multiplayer focused."

With gaming growing each and every year, Cousins asserts that we've only reached the tip of the iceberg. He cites the massive popularity of the NES when it first came out which was then blown away by the release of the mainstream friendly PlayStation. "...It really feels like... we're on the cusp of another expansive period of growth, between the DS and the Wii audiences, and there's also an opportunity on the PC now."

Cousins sees potential for innovation in the Asian countries, which tends to be ignored for its pirate friendly markets. He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different." He therefore isn't so much interested in which console will win the next generation war, but which platform will win over the internets, "the real key platform is the web itself... That's where we're going to see the next revolution in gaming, is with Web delivery, and Web gameplay."

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What he is saying is that, if people get informed that there PC's can turn into gaming machines by buying a graphics card, then PC will only get even bigger. Hopefully the PCGA will do their job and inform people they have a SUPERIOR gaming platform in thier home. The PCGA is helping to lower PC hardware prices, so yea PC's future looks bright, Powerful hardware for lower prices makes a profit for companies and now Nvidia and ATI both realize this, look at the 8800 GT's success powerful and cheap, sold 2 million in 3 months and made Nvidia company of the year.

Painballz

Nice april fools. Consoles are very healthy at the moment.

PC gaming isn't free. Your just a free loader. I hosted a CS:S server for a year and a half to give back to the community. You HAVE to pay for a private session.

PS. STALKER is truely the only good PC exclusive in years.

PC gaming isn't free. Your just a free loader. I hosted a CS:S server for a year and a half to give back to the community. You HAVE to pay for a private session.

PS. STALKER is truely the only good PC exclusive in years.

Antikyth3ra

which is deffinetly why the PC has more AA/AAA exclusives this gen than the rest of the consoles combined twice over.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p7pcq78sddbXfN0A-LjKWEA

PC gaming isn't free. Your just a free loader. I hosted a CS:S server for a year and a half to give back to the community. You HAVE to pay for a private session.

PS. STALKER is truely the only good PC exclusive in years.

Antikyth3ra

so if you play on dedicated servers you are a free loader.........ok........

you mentioned STALKER and great choice cause it may be rough but really does try bring something new to the table.

now mention a console game exclusive thats as good as stalker

I literally remember people saying that PC gaming was dying in the mid-90s, when the Playstation and N64 came about.I'm sure they probably said it earlier, too. If it hasn't died off in the past decade plus, then it's probably not going to.

Valve just needs to release Counterstrike 2 and it'll become uber-trendy to start PC gaming again, like it was around the start of this century with CS, and we don't have to hear anymore of this "PC gaming is dying" rubbish. Counterstrike on PC deserves just as much credit as Halo: CE for introducing so many newbies to so-called "hardcore" gaming and making gaming as popular as it is today. And probably more, since it precedes Halo by a couple years.

I literally remember people saying that PC gaming was dying in the mid-90s, when the Playstation and N64 came about.I'm sure they probably said it earlier, too. If it hasn't died off in the past decade plus, then it's probably not going to.

Valve just needs to release Counterstrike 2 and it'll become uber-trendy to start PC gaming again, like it was around the start of this century with CS, and we don't have to hear anymore of this "PC gaming is dying" rubbish. Counterstrike on PC deserves just as much credit as Halo: CE for introducing so many newbies to so-called "hardcore" gaming and making gaming as popular as it is today. And probably more, since it precedes Halo by a couple years.

Zeliard9

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

[QUOTE="Antikyth3ra"]

PC gaming isn't free. Your just a free loader. I hosted a CS:S server for a year and a half to give back to the community. You HAVE to pay for a private session.

PS. STALKER is truely the only good PC exclusive in years.

crozon

so if you play on dedicated servers you are a free loader.........ok........

you mentioned STALKER and great choice cause it may be rough but really does try bring something new to the table.

now mention a console game exclusive thats as good as stalker

Rock Band , Rez, Condemned 2, Dead Rising. I also love DMC 4 right now "SLAM DUNK!"

have you ever play crysis or wow? besides even if u dont like that there are so many AAA games in pc right now

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

I literally remember people saying that PC gaming was dying in the mid-90s, when the Playstation and N64 came about.I'm sure they probably said it earlier, too. If it hasn't died off in the past decade plus, then it's probably not going to.

Valve just needs to release Counterstrike 2 and it'll become uber-trendy to start PC gaming again, like it was around the start of this century with CS, and we don't have to hear anymore of this "PC gaming is dying" rubbish. Counterstrike on PC deserves just as much credit as Halo: CE for introducing so many newbies to so-called "hardcore" gaming and making gaming as popular as it is today. And probably more, since it precedes Halo by a couple years.

oldvander

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

Not now, but back around 2000/2001, it was ridiculously trendy to play CS. They even had the game set up at various boutiques in malls just so random people could play.

It easily achieved Halo-level popularity and transcended "nerdiness"; anybody and everybody was playing it. And after 9/11 it became even more popular, since it had to do with terrorism and counter-terrorism.

I don't personally like CS, or Halo. I think both are tragically overrated and come nowhere even remotely close to a gem like Quake 1. But there's no question that both are enormously popular, CS moreso back in the day.

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

oldvander

when you mention real world, don't you just mean the US or the UK?

[QUOTE="oldvander"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]

I literally remember people saying that PC gaming was dying in the mid-90s, when the Playstation and N64 came about.I'm sure they probably said it earlier, too. If it hasn't died off in the past decade plus, then it's probably not going to.

Valve just needs to release Counterstrike 2 and it'll become uber-trendy to start PC gaming again, like it was around the start of this century with CS, and we don't have to hear anymore of this "PC gaming is dying" rubbish. Counterstrike on PC deserves just as much credit as Halo: CE for introducing so many newbies to so-called "hardcore" gaming and making gaming as popular as it is today. And probably more, since it precedes Halo by a couple years.

Zeliard9

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

Not now, but back around 2000/2001, it was ridiculously trendy to play CS. They even had the game set up at various boutiques in malls just so random people could play.

It easily achieved Halo-level popularity and transcended "nerdiness"; anybody and everybody was playing it. And after 9/11 it became even more popular, since it had to do with terrorism and counter-terrorism.

I don't personally like CS, or Halo. I think both are tragically overrated and come nowhere even remotely close to a gem like Quake 1. But there's no question that both are enormously popular, CS moreso back in the day.

The problem is popular and trendy are surely 2 different things. Counter strike was definitely a popluar game, and still is to gamers. But if you went into a school and asked them what they thought of counter strike, they'd laugh at you for being a "geek". Which means its not trendy unfortunately.

[QUOTE="oldvander"]

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

_Pedro_

when you mention real world, don't you just mean the US or the UK?

Uh yeah i'm open to the possibility that counter strike is a trend setter in mongolia8). But yeah i was meaning the u.k. (just the average person).

I know alot of people can be shallow and ignorant towards gaming. But usually things that are trendy are fashion etc (or emos). I hate emos, but it is a trend.

have you ever play crysis or wow? besides even if u dont like that there are so many AAA games in pc right now

adamosmaki

www.xfire.com/profile/jotsquiksilver

www.xfire.com/profile/antikytheramech

Both of my xfire accounts. It is missing Witcher which i played for about 6 hours while i had no internet.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="oldvander"]

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

oldvander

Not now, but back around 2000/2001, it was ridiculously trendy to play CS. They even had the game set up at various boutiques in malls just so random people could play.

It easily achieved Halo-level popularity and transcended "nerdiness"; anybody and everybody was playing it. And after 9/11 it became even more popular, since it had to do with terrorism and counter-terrorism.

I don't personally like CS, or Halo. I think both are tragically overrated and come nowhere even remotely close to a gem like Quake 1. But there's no question that both are enormously popular, CS moreso back in the day.

The problem is popular and trendy are surely 2 different things. Counter strike was definitely a popluar game, and still is to gamers. But if you went into a school and asked them what they thought of counter strike, they'd laugh at you for being a "geek". Which means its not trendy unfortunately.

They'd laugh at you for being a geek? They were also playing Counterstrike. That's what you keep failing to grasp. It was trendy because people who otherwise would be nowhere near a PC were playing it, and they were playing it because everyone else was playing it. Hence trendy. If you were actually around during that time, you'd remember that clearly.

I was in high school at the time, and everybody was playing the damn thing. I remember it clearly because I was so surprised by it. In fact, one of the reasons I hate CS is because it used to be so trendy; it was, for a long time, the "cool game" to play. Then Halo came in and took its spot.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="oldvander"]

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

oldvander

when you mention real world, don't you just mean the US or the UK?

Uh yeah i'm open to the possibility that counter strike is a trend setter in mongolia8). But yeah i was meaning the u.k. (just the average person).

I know alot of people can be shallow and ignorant towards gaming. But usually things that are trendy are fashion etc (or emos). I hate emos, but it is a trend.

Naturally, here in mainland europe just about everyone has heard about Counter Strike and if you've never played it. You're probably an outcast..

[QUOTE="oldvander"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="oldvander"]

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

_Pedro_

when you mention real world, don't you just mean the US or the UK?

Uh yeah i'm open to the possibility that counter strike is a trend setter in mongolia8). But yeah i was meaning the u.k. (just the average person).

I know alot of people can be shallow and ignorant towards gaming. But usually things that are trendy are fashion etc (or emos). I hate emos, but it is a trend.

Naturally, here in mainland europe just about everyone has heard about Counter Strike and if you've never played it. You're probably an outcast..

maybe i am an outcast. maybe i'll continue with games like final fantasy, age of empires, dawn of war, pro evo soccer, halo, forza, mass effect, gears of war, call of duty etc....

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="oldvander"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="oldvander"]

Um, sorry, but counter strike online isn't trendy in the real world. Its looked down upon as extremely nerdy by alot of people i know. I dont say anything bad about it, but its certainly not trendy to people.

oldvander

when you mention real world, don't you just mean the US or the UK?

Uh yeah i'm open to the possibility that counter strike is a trend setter in mongolia8). But yeah i was meaning the u.k. (just the average person).

I know alot of people can be shallow and ignorant towards gaming. But usually things that are trendy are fashion etc (or emos). I hate emos, but it is a trend.

Naturally, here in mainland europe just about everyone has heard about Counter Strike and if you've never played it. You're probably an outcast..

maybe i am an outcast. maybe i'll continue with games like final fantasy, age of empires, dawn of war, pro evo soccer, halo, forza, mass effect, gears of war, call of duty etc....

huh? You don't need to be offended you live in the UK (the outcast part was for people living in mainland europe) and I'm fully aware of the cultural differences. I'm just saying that people in mainland europe really don't look upon games the same way people do in the US or UK.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

He is excited about the PC centric country of India, calling it a "poor country that soon will have a completely global, online connected world, for which games will be completely different."

Oh wait if india is poor wouldn't console gaming be the better choice? Since yuh know.. it's cheaper? Consolities please don't use the argument *PC gaming is more expensive* it's only like that in certain areas, so please don't use such a general statement. Just say it's more expensive in my country or something.

jeffwulf

Fun fact. Especially overseas, consoles are incredibly expensive. It makes owning a PC much more attractive when the costs are practically the same.

This man speaks the truth, and BTW console games here are freakin expensive