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#1 taterfrickintot
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epq7Oc3nmjM

TEH POWAH! :o

But for the serious discussion, if the cell was capable of all this stuff the narrarator said in the video, why havent we experienced it this gen? what was holding it back? was the rest of the tech in the PS3 holding it back? tech junkies, please explain. Im quite curious.

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#2 BPoole96
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Your link directs me to this thread

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#3 taterfrickintot
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Your link directs me to this thread

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#4 Blake135
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Your link directs me to this thread

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First time i've ever ran into a recursive thread

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#6 wis3boi
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Because the cell is a number cruncher. It sucks at gaming and rendering, but if you gave it 10,000 spreadsheets to work on, it would be fine at that.

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#7 sandbox3d
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Is teh Cell smarter than you? :o

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#8 dimebag667
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I loved those videos. Seems like they came out just a few weeks before the PS3 dropped.

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#9 taterfrickintot
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I loved those videos. Seems like they came out just a few weeks before the PS3 dropped.

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I know what you mean. i was excited to see what the cell was capable of, which wasnt even nearly as much as they hyped it :(
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#10 wis3boi
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I loved those videos. Seems like they came out just a few weeks before the PS3 dropped.

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They knew their CPU blew, it was PR stunts from then on :P They spent too much money on a chip that didn't suit the PS3's needs to go back and redo it.
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#11 sandbox3d
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[QUOTE="dimebag667"]

I loved those videos. Seems like they came out just a few weeks before the PS3 dropped.

taterfrickintot

I know what you mean. i was excited to see what the cell was capable of, which wasnt even nearly as much as they hyped it :(

Yeah, Sony has made my favorite consoles for 3 gens running now, but you can NEVER... NEVER trust Sony hype. Most of it is so overboard that only an idiot could believe it anyways, but still. Sony has always been full of sh*t when it comes to hyping their consoles. They lie to consumers and developers alike.

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#12 lightleggy
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I remember like 2 years ago, I was talking with some guy in my judo class, he had this super awesome gaming PC, like the best you could get back in 2010, and I told him "amazing PC, you must be able to max crysis and everything out there, im officially jelly " then the guy replied "yeah but you know what's a graphic beast? the PS3, nothing comes close to it, the cell processor is the best processor in the world you know? nothing beats it" then I just laughed my ass off and left him hanging :lol: I mean it wouldn't have been so bad if it would be like 2007 at least, but in 2010 and still believing in teh cell, lol no.
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#13 finalstar2007
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Very nice video, this was my first time actually knowing and learning about the Cell chip inside the PS3, honestly once devs take their time and take advantage of it they can produce some amazing games like uncharted, god of war, etc

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I heard teh cell can process over 1 million ***** not given at a single time....WOW!
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]I remember like 2 years ago, I was talking with some guy in my judo class, he had this super awesome gaming PC, like the best you could get back in 2010, and I told him "amazing PC, you must be able to max crysis and everything out there, im officially jelly " then the guy replied "yeah but you know what's a graphic beast? the PS3, nothing comes close to it, the cell processor is the best processor in the world you know? nothing beats it" then I just laughed my ass off and left him hanging :lol: I mean it wouldn't have been so bad if it would be like 2007 at least, but in 2010 and still believing in teh cell, lol no.

I just dont understand how a guy with a monster gaming PC can say that his ps3 is the best graphically? was he trolling or something?
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#16 loosingENDS
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It is like tech demos looking 10x better than actual games

Same thing

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#17 delta3074
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epq7Oc3nmjM

TEH POWAH! :o

But for the serious discussion, if the cell was capable of all this stuff the narrarator said in the video, why havent we experienced it this gen? what was holding it back? was the rest of the tech in the PS3 holding it back? tech junkies, please explain. Im quite curious.

taterfrickintot
The cell IS an awesome CPU but several things do hold it back, the Gimped GPU,Split memory architecture, a High sytem OS and an overall lack of Ram in the first place.
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#18 Pray_to_me
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Because the cell is a number cruncher. It sucks at gaming and rendering, but if you gave it 10,000 spreadsheets to work on, it would be fine at that.

wis3boi

You're basing this on what? That the PS3 is home to the most graphically impressive console games ever? Or just lies and BS to justify your overpriced gaming rig with your oh so impressive X360 ports?;)

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#19 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Because the cell is a number cruncher. It sucks at gaming and rendering, but if you gave it 10,000 spreadsheets to work on, it would be fine at that.

Pray_to_me

You're basing this on what? That the PS3 is home to the most graphically impressive console games ever? Or just lies and BS to justify your overpriced gaming rig with your oh so impressive X360 ports?;)

I was gonna reply in kind, then I saw it was you, the local rising troll.

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#20 Pray_to_me
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cry moar

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#21 senses_fail_06
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This is very similar to how my mind works.
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#22 XaosII
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Games are inherently very difficult to fully utilize 8 cores. Most modern games can only mostly utilize 2. Forget about using 6 more.

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#23 JigglyWiggly_
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Games are inherently very difficult to fully utilize 8 cores. Most modern games can only mostly utilize 2. Forget about using 6 more.

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spes are not cores u nub
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[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]I remember like 2 years ago, I was talking with some guy in my judo class, he had this super awesome gaming PC, like the best you could get back in 2010, and I told him "amazing PC, you must be able to max crysis and everything out there, im officially jelly " then the guy replied "yeah but you know what's a graphic beast? the PS3, nothing comes close to it, the cell processor is the best processor in the world you know? nothing beats it" then I just laughed my ass off and left him hanging :lol: I mean it wouldn't have been so bad if it would be like 2007 at least, but in 2010 and still believing in teh cell, lol no.

I just dont understand how a guy with a monster gaming PC can say that his ps3 is the best graphically? was he trolling or something?

No he meant it, he also said that Crysis 2 minimum requirements included a liquid cooling system instead of a regular fan/heat dissipator. Yes he said that a game would somehow be able to recognize that your PC was getting cooled with liquid and not with heat disperssion. I suppose he just googled something like "best pc parts to buy" or he had a friend/brother who built his rig.
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#25 killzowned24
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for water being better than ps2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1XWWtsCKjs
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#26 taterfrickintot
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for water being better than ps2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1XWWtsCKjskillzowned24
this proves the point perfectly. they were saying the cell was so good at processing it could make millions of realistic water drops all at the same time, and you look at this, the water is basically jello with like 20 particles coming out of it.
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#28 daveg1
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the cell like the xenon is a pile of rubbish.. it was hyped to be the second coming but everyone soon found out.
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#29 Oil_Rope_Bombs
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- Coyful
I think you wanted to post this in the "Xbox banned in Germany" thread. Either way, they're still awesome. :D
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#30 Coyful
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[QUOTE="Coyful"] - Oil_rope_bombs
I think you wanted to post this in the "Xbox banned in Germany" thread. Either way, they're still awesome. :D

Ahh...whoops
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#31 -Unreal-
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It's way more powerful than what that video shows, the power just has to be unleashed and tapped into. Only a true master of the mind, the body and the soul can communicate with and fully appreciate the true power of....

THE CELL

[cue lightning crash]

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#32 ronvalencia
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epq7Oc3nmjM

TEH POWAH! :o

But for the serious discussion, if the cell was capable of all this stuff the narrarator said in the video, why havent we experienced it this gen? what was holding it back? was the rest of the tech in the PS3 holding it back? tech junkies, please explain. Im quite curious.

taterfrickintot

It was out classed by NVIDIA's Geforce 8800 for the targeted workloads i.e. games and parrellel data processing.

Current, counter advertisement against CELL type compititors from AMD

As an example, normal applications such as WinZIP 16.5 can use the compute resources of AMD'a Radeon HD stream processors.

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#33 CwlHeddwyn
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[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epq7Oc3nmjM

TEH POWAH! :o

But for the serious discussion, if the cell was capable of all this stuff the narrarator said in the video, why havent we experienced it this gen? what was holding it back? was the rest of the tech in the PS3 holding it back? tech junkies, please explain. Im quite curious.

delta3074
The cell IS an awesome CPU but several things do hold it back, the Gimped GPU,Split memory architecture, a High sytem OS and an overall lack of Ram in the first place.

Ok, so why hasn't the CELL taken the PC world by storm? If it was so good surely it would have taken off and some company would have picked it up somewhere.
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#34 PAL360
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Oh boy...the youtube comments :o

2012 and so many ppl still eat that crap!

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#35 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epq7Oc3nmjM

TEH POWAH! :o

But for the serious discussion, if the cell was capable of all this stuff the narrarator said in the video, why havent we experienced it this gen? what was holding it back? was the rest of the tech in the PS3 holding it back? tech junkies, please explain. Im quite curious.

CwlHeddwyn

The cell IS an awesome CPU but several things do hold it back, the Gimped GPU,Split memory architecture, a High sytem OS and an overall lack of Ram in the first place.

Ok, so why hasn't the CELL taken the PC world by storm? If it was so good surely it would have taken off and some company would have picked it up somewhere.

IBM tried and it was blown away by AMD and NVIDIA GpGPU products.

IBM CELL BE as PC's PCI-Express add-on card, by Mercury AIB (Add-in board vendor)

CELL.jpg

NVIDIA Geforce 8800 GTS...

xfx-8800gts-front.jpg

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#36 SecretPolice
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I heard teh cell can process over 1 million ***** not given at a single time....WOW!DarkOfKnight
I gotta admit, I bursted out :lol: on that one.

OT, I dunno but I don't expect to see Teh Cell in the next Sony console. :P

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#37 deactivated-5b69bebd1b0b6
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I remember those video ads. Those where the days when PS3 barely had any games.

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#38 ydnarrewop
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Ya I think it was more hype than anything. However, from everything I've read devs have a hard time with it. Thus, MS gets the first nod and Sony gets the crappy ports lol.
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#39 Heil68
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No doubt it's a super CPU and the DOD didn't buy 2,200 for nothing- Though a single 3.2 GHz cell processor can deliver over 200 GFLOPS, whereas the Sony PS3 configuration delivers approximately 150 GFLOPS, the approximately tenfold cost difference per GFLOP makes the Sony PS3 the only viable technology for HPC applications. Sony, protecting lives , liberty and freedom since 1946.
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#41 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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A video from 2006? really? :roll:

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#42 SaltyMeatballs
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Dat hype... yet only graphics slightly better than the 360 (and even that as arguable now with Gears of War 3)
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A CPU depends on the reources it has available to work with its full potential. If you have a CPU with little RAM then you won't be able to use all its resources optimally.
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#44 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Games are inherently very difficult to fully utilize 8 cores. Most modern games can only mostly utilize 2. Forget about using 6 more.

JigglyWiggly_
spes are not cores u nub

Yes they are.
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epq7Oc3nmjM

TEH POWAH! :o

But for the serious discussion, if the cell was capable of all this stuff the narrarator said in the video, why havent we experienced it this gen? what was holding it back? was the rest of the tech in the PS3 holding it back? tech junkies, please explain. Im quite curious.

CwlHeddwyn

The cell IS an awesome CPU but several things do hold it back, the Gimped GPU,Split memory architecture, a High sytem OS and an overall lack of Ram in the first place.

Ok, so why hasn't the CELL taken the PC world by storm? If it was so good surely it would have taken off and some company would have picked it up somewhere.

first, the CPU is proprietary, second it has no support (I mean instructions) and third, the video is only talking about theoreticalpower. The Cell breaks at multitasking because it only has 1 PPU and the Spe's don't work by themeselves if you don't code their Data Structure and tasks independently. Intel and AMD CPUs are general purpose and anything that is not related to "visuals" they can take the code and compile it on its own.

But when you code the Spe's the CPU is even faster than i7 because the SPE's are not "cores", they work like the stream processors found in a GPU but at 3.2 GHZ (fastest stream processoor in a GPU runs at around 1000MHZ).

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I love (hate) computer nerds who aren't gamers that buy PS3's and claim they're superior without ever playing a 360... they'll argue specs until they're blue in the teeth (what does that even mean?) and ignore or discount the actual real world product.

...

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so, are cows all IT guys then? is that the missing link?

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#47 Gue1
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I love (hate) computer nerds who aren't gamers that buy PS3's and claim they're superior without ever playing a 360... they'll argue specs until they're blue in the teeth (what does that even mean?) and ignore or discount the actual real world product.

...

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so, are cows all IT guys then? is that the missing link?

fadersdream

other tha GeoW there really aren't any other games on the XBox that one could say are on par with Uncharted, Killzone or GOW graphically. And so your argument and speculation goes down the drain. :(

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#48 viper-kid
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[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

I love (hate) computer nerds who aren't gamers that buy PS3's and claim they're superior without ever playing a 360... they'll argue specs until they're blue in the teeth (what does that even mean?) and ignore or discount the actual real world product.

...

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so, are cows all IT guys then? is that the missing link?

Gue1

other tha GeoW there really aren't any other games on the XBox that one could say are on par with Uncharted, Killzone or GOW graphically. And so your argument and speculation goes down the drain. :(

It means it's possibe for 360.
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Hilariously it never has shonw itself to be more powerful than the 360

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#50 fadersdream
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[QUOTE="fadersdream"]

I love (hate) computer nerds who aren't gamers that buy PS3's and claim they're superior without ever playing a 360... they'll argue specs until they're blue in the teeth (what does that even mean?) and ignore or discount the actual real world product.

...

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so, are cows all IT guys then? is that the missing link?

Gue1

other tha GeoW there really aren't any other games on the XBox that one could say are on par with Uncharted, Killzone or GOW graphically. And so your argument and speculation goes down the drain. :(

No, it still holds pretty true. Since that's missing the point. To clarify I am surrounded by engineers and Tech-Geeks. They favor the PS3 because of the Specs, and choose not to see the reality of game to game comparison. That being said Uncharted 3 looks great, Killzone even more so. This isn't a pissing match, my point is just about people who only buy based on the numbers and ignore performance.