Bethesda make EA/Visceral Games/DICE look like noobs

Seriously there was no excuse for Dead Space 2 or Battlefield to be on 2 disks on the 360 yet it was. This is either down to 2 reasons. 1) Visceral Games and DICE are terrible programmers. 2) EA made them rush the games and didn't give them time to compress (This is most likely the reason given EA's track record of rushing games out). How come it takes 2 disks for Dead Space 2 and Battlefield 3 yet Skyrim which is bigger, better graphics, more content in general only takes one ??

But DICE (sort of considering BF3) and Visceral Games actually make good games based on the genre.

Different engines mean they don't work the same. You also have no idea how many times the same assets get recycled in Skyrim.

Different engines mean they don't work the same. You also have no idea how many times the same assets get recycled in Skyrim.

Pug-Nasty

And what, they don't get recycled in DS2 or BF3 ?? Skyrim also has a hand crafted world were no two areas are alike.

Well maybe because the Frostbite 2 Engine is too big to handle a real dvd disc vs having a blu ray disc for the PS3 which only takes on disc.

Seriously there was no excuse for Dead Space 2 or Battlefield to be on 2 disks on the 360 yet it was. This is either down to 2 reasons. 1) Visceral Games and DICE are terrible programmers. 2) EA made them rush the games and didn't give them time to compress (This is most likely the reason given EA's track record of rushing games out). How come it takes 2 disks for Dead Space 2 and Battlefield 3 yet Skyrim which is bigger, better graphics, more content in general only takes one ??

Biohazard93

Okay then not only Skyrim but Gears 3 can also fit on one disk and it has better graphics than both those games and way more content

Okay then not only Skyrim but Gears 3 can also fit on one disk and it has better graphics than both those games and way more content

Biohazard93

You gotta be trolling, no one's that...

If size of a game = developer skill, than Pong is one of the best games ever created and SC2 is mediocre. Also with Skyrim, for it to be the size that it is, must not use unique textures very often, like Crysis, big scale tons of re-used textures and Rage is on a smaller scale but no re-used textures, so it turns out to be larger in storage requirements.

Different engines mean they don't work the same. You also have no idea how many times the same assets get recycled in Skyrim.

Pug-Nasty

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Different engines mean they don't work the same. You also have no idea how many times the same assets get recycled in Skyrim.

Slimmin360

Oh and you do ? how ? are you one of the programmers or graphic artists for Skyrim ? I'm so sick of guy's coming in here and saying Bethesda games like Oblivion and Skyrim are nothing but copy and pasted worlds to make them appear more massive then they are.

Todd Howard Bethesda studios (Game Director) already said in countless interviews that all scenery, locations, dungeons, ruins, and forts and caves are individually drawn by hand and added to the game, each one having it's own unique and different look, as well as the landscapes.

The guys at Bethesda use there entire staff on every game they make, so it's not a small or rushed project by any means, it's over 100 people working on one game for over 3 years, working like 90 hour weeks, thats why they look and play as great as they do.

Making areas unique doesn't require 100% unique assets, you can re-use textures contently in different ways with different effects in the environment to save on space...

And trees 'n such, I doubt are all hand modeled unique things, they're just a bunch of props that artists place all over the place in different configurations so it doesn't look repeated.

DVD format is ANCIENT.

Are you honestly suggesting that a format from the 90's should be able to hold the data for modern games?

Do you even know what 'programming' means?

No offense but your OP is the only 'noob' data in this post.

Seriously there was no excuse for Dead Space 2 or Battlefield to be on 2 disks on the 360 yet it was. This is either down to 2 reasons. 1) Visceral Games and DICE are terrible programmers. 2) EA made them rush the games and didn't give them time to compress (This is most likely the reason given EA's track record of rushing games out). How come it takes 2 disks for Dead Space 2 and Battlefield 3 yet Skyrim which is bigger, better graphics, more content in general only takes one ??

Biohazard93

Who cares? You have to change a dish once in awhile, big deal.

Wait.. Skyrim is better looking then BF3?

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Different engines mean they don't work the same. You also have no idea how many times the same assets get recycled in Skyrim.

Inconsistancy

Oh and you do ? how ? are you one of the programmers or graphic artists for Skyrim ? I'm so sick of guy's coming in here and saying Bethesda games like Oblivion and Skyrim are nothing but copy and pasted worlds to make them appear more massive then they are.

Todd Howard Bethesda studios (Game Director) already said in countless interviews that all scenery, locations, dungeons, ruins, and forts and caves are individually drawn by hand and added to the game, each one having it's own unique and different look, as well as the landscapes.

The guys at Bethesda use there entire staff on every game they make, so it's not a small or rushed project by any means, it's over 100 people working on one game for over 3 years, working like 90 hour weeks, thats why they look and play as great as they do.

Making areas unique doesn't require 100% unique assets, you can re-use textures contently in different ways with different effects in the environment to save on space...

And trees 'n such, I doubt are all hand modeled unique things, they're just a bunch of props that artists place all over the place in different configurations so it doesn't look repeated.

Different developers have different development techniques for different games. Games like Battlefield 3 and Dead Space contain a lot of FMV and cutscenes that take up a significant amount of space on a disc. It's the reason why with Battlefield one disc is the campaign and one disc is everything else. Bethesda doesn't do a lot of complex and high capacity videos in their games so they have the entire disc to put the game's assets on a single disc.

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Seriously there was no excuse for Dead Space 2 or Battlefield to be on 2 disks on the 360 yet it was. This is either down to 2 reasons. 1) Visceral Games and DICE are terrible programmers. 2) EA made them rush the games and didn't give them time to compress (This is most likely the reason given EA's track record of rushing games out). How come it takes 2 disks for Dead Space 2 and Battlefield 3 yet Skyrim which is bigger, better graphics, more content in general only takes one ??

RickTophen

Wait.. Skyrim is better looking then BF3?

kozzy1234

The Xbox 360 version of BF3 does not look all too great

Clearly you're a genius game developerwho knows EXACTLY what they're talking about.

No seriously you have absolutely no idea, no one here does, let alone the assets and content data in either, or their respective engines.

I fail to see how stuffing more content into a disc makes someone a better programmer.

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Different engines mean they don't work the same. You also have no idea how many times the same assets get recycled in Skyrim.

Biohazard93

And what, they don't get recycled in DS2 or BF3 ?? Skyrim also has a hand crafted world were no two areas are alike.

BC2 is 10GB's.

Skyrim does not look better than BF3...

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Oh and you do ? how ? are you one of the programmers or graphic artists for Skyrim ? I'm so sick of guy's coming in here and saying Bethesda games like Oblivion and Skyrim are nothing but copy and pasted worlds to make them appear more massive then they are.

Todd Howard Bethesda studios (Game Director) already said in countless interviews that all scenery, locations, dungeons, ruins, and forts and caves are individually drawn by hand and added to the game, each one having it's own unique and different look, as well as the landscapes.

The guys at Bethesda use there entire staff on every game they make, so it's not a small or rushed project by any means, it's over 100 people working on one game for over 3 years, working like 90 hour weeks, thats why they look and play as great as they do.

Slimmin360

Making areas unique doesn't require 100% unique assets, you can re-use textures contently in different ways with different effects in the environment to save on space...

And trees 'n such, I doubt are all hand modeled unique things, they're just a bunch of props that artists place all over the place in different configurations so it doesn't look repeated.

If you know anything about Todd Howard you would know not to believe him.

But DICE (sort of considering BF3) and Visceral Games actually make good games based on the genre.

MacBoomStick

This.

From what I understand Bethesda is a RPG developer who sucks at making RPGs. Pretty funny when you think about it.

Seriously there was no excuse for Dead Space 2 or Battlefield to be on 2 disks on the 360 yet it was. This is either down to 2 reasons. 1) Visceral Games and DICE are terrible programmers. 2) EA made them rush the games and didn't give them time to compress (This is most likely the reason given EA's track record of rushing games out). How come it takes 2 disks for Dead Space 2 and Battlefield 3 yet Skyrim which is bigger, better graphics, more content in general only takes one ??

Biohazard93

Wtf Watch this youtube clip then tell me Dice are terrible programmers and BF 3 has bad graphics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jwajMaawE&list=FLhZ3cRx-kvEB3xHDtszld9g&index=5&feature=plpp_video

The title and most of the comments are in swedish but whatever, video is in english.