BIG SHOCK! Xbox 360 has been out for 3+ years and only has 2 AAAE? Just terrible

what makes GRAW exclusive?Mordred19

Numbers do not great games make. Its not like any console these days has a bad library, but I find it strange cows bashing any other platform over lack of AAA exclusives

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"]

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]on GSHexagon_777

Actually I think it's on GR.

The 360 has 10 AAA games, the Wii has 4 AAA games and the PS3 has 3 AAA games on GameRankings.

1 game of the 10 AAA games on the 360 is exclusive, unless you count GRAW.

2 games of the 4 AAA games on the Wii are exclusive.

0 games of the 3 AAA games on the PS3 are exclusive.

Uncharted is 90% on Gamerankings :|

Believe it or not, I just now realized that the 360 only had two AAAE. Don't be shocked to see "That's two more than the PS3" style responses though.Lionheart08

November 2005 - March 2008 = over 3 years?RobbieH1234

I guess 2 1/3 years is teh new 3 around here. ;)

[QUOTE="DarkCloud79"]

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]on GSHexagon_777

Actually I think it's on GR.

The 360 has 10 AAA games, the Wii has 4 AAA games and the PS3 has 3 AAA games on GameRankings.

1 game of the 10 AAA games on the 360 is exclusive, unless you count GRAW.

2 games of the 4 AAA games on the Wii are exclusive.

0 games of the 3 AAA games on the PS3 are exclusive.

That's what I was saying. For the TC saying only 2 AAAe on the 360 he had to be using GR.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what makes GRAW exclusive?blue_hazy_basic

Numbers do not great games make. Its not like any console these days has a bad library, but I find it strange cows bashing any other platform over lack of AAA exclusives

sorry, must've misssed every one of those threads. I was just curious, anyway.

[QUOTE="tifaz"]lol so what. PS3 owners cant play bioshock, gears, halo 3 or mass effect. Like the four biggest games in the past year...pathetic..how can u even be into games and not play them.Cerussite

To be honest though not many poeple seem to play pc games anymore or have a good enough pc to play them. Most poeple on this forum seem to own consoles. Im assuming most poeple who own a ps3 dont have a decent gaming pc aswell!!! That means most ps3 owners are missing out on some of the best must play games in the last two years.

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Believe it or not, I just now realized that the 360 only had two AAAE. Don't be shocked to see "That's two more than the PS3" style responses though.DrinkDuff

GRAW isn't exclusive, the PC version is very similar.

[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="tifaz"]lol so what. PS3 owners cant play bioshock, gears, halo 3 or mass effect. Like the four biggest games in the past year...pathetic..how can u even be into games and not play them.tifaz

To be honest though not many poeple seem to play pc games anymore or have a good enough pc to play them. Most poeple on this forum seem to own consoles. Im assuming most poeple who own a ps3 dont have a decent gaming pc aswell!!! That means most ps3 owners are missing out on some of the best must play games in the last two years.

I have a decent gaming PC! And I own all consoles, you are aware that 34% of the game software indsutry last year was PC, not counting DD. And we're discussing exclusives here comparing every system to the 360.

Oh noez! I'm gonna sell my Xbox 360 right now.:roll: Xbox 360 has the best selection of games thus far this generation. BioShockOwnz

PC.

[QUOTE="Sparky04"]

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"]Perfect Dark Zero, GRAW, Forza 2, Halo 3.DarkCloud79

It's a shame people can't count.

Also for much better statistical information the 360 currently has 13 AAA games.

The Playstation 3 has 8 AAA games.

And the Wii has 5 AAA games.

I don't want to count the number on PC but I'm sure it's more than 15.

Thats a much more convincing statistic when deciding a console than a AAAE.

OMG, 360 only has 13 AAA in 2 years, PS3 has 8 in one.

This are things that could be said by looking at that, but they would be stupid so I won't say it.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Oh noez! I'm gonna sell my Xbox 360 right now.:roll: Xbox 360 has the best selection of games thus far this generation. Pietrooper

PC.

I should've put "consoles" somewhere in there...

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="DarkCloud79"]

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]on GSPietrooper

Actually I think it's on GR.

The 360 has 10 AAA games, the Wii has 4 AAA games and the PS3 has 3 AAA games on GameRankings.

1 game of the 10 AAA games on the 360 is exclusive, unless you count GRAW.

2 games of the 4 AAA games on the Wii are exclusive.

0 games of the 3 AAA games on the PS3 are exclusive.

Uncharted is 90% on Gamerankings :|

If you want to play it that way then:

The 360 has 13 AAA games, the Wii has 5 AAA games and the PS3 has 4 AAA games on GameRankings.

2 games of the 13 AAA games on the 360 are exclusive, unless you count GRAW.

3 games of the 5 AAA games on the Wii are exclusive.

1 game of the 4 AAA games on the PS3 is exclusive.

Did those AAAEs stop being amazing games when they were ported to the pc or something?Popadophalis

Nope. Just stopped being exclusive, in "teh rulez of da sistem warz."

[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="tifaz"]lol so what. PS3 owners cant play bioshock, gears, halo 3 or mass effect. Like the four biggest games in the past year...pathetic..how can u even be into games and not play them.tifaz

To be honest though not many poeple seem to play pc games anymore or have a good enough pc to play them. Most poeple on this forum seem to own consoles. Im assuming most poeple who own a ps3 dont have a decent gaming pc aswell!!! That means most ps3 owners are missing out on some of the best must play games in the last two years.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="DarkCloud79"]

[QUOTE="Mad_Rhetoric"]on GSHexagon_777

Actually I think it's on GR.

The 360 has 10 AAA games, the Wii has 4 AAA games and the PS3 has 3 AAA games on GameRankings.

1 game of the 10 AAA games on the 360 is exclusive, unless you count GRAW.

2 games of the 4 AAA games on the Wii are exclusive.

0 games of the 3 AAA games on the PS3 are exclusive.

Uncharted is 90% on Gamerankings :|

If you want to play it that way then:

The 360 has 13 AAA games, the Wii has 5 AAA games and the PS3 has 4 AAA games on GameRankings.

2 games of the 13 AAA games on the 360 are exclusive, unless you count GRAW.

3 games of the 5 AAA games on the Wii are exclusive.

1 game of the 4 AAA games on the PS3 is exclusive.

Yay! Listing the console in order it's:

1. PS3

2. 360

3. Wii

Such a neat number :D

Now that the big M$ handed out all their exclusive games like candy, now they only have Halo 3 and Forza (rather mediocre at best) AAAE games to show for the 3+ years they have been up and running? When Halo 3 hits PC soon, that just leaves Forza and Perfect Dark as the only exclusive? This is sad news my Lemms.

megaton3k

loool....so i can imagine what do you think about ps3!!

When you look at exclusives and multi-plats, you have to keep in mind what gaming system the multi-plats are actually on.

If you compare the PS3 and the 360, and you leave out multi-plats, you should only leave out the games that the two systems actually share with each other to determine the overall quality. Leaving out Bioshock because its on the PC makes no since, being just because its on the PC does not mean that somehow the PS3 can play it, or it doesnt matter.

Sheep are the main offenders in the "Multi-plats dont count" bunk. The sad fact is that Nintendo's console, while it has its own games, gets NONE of the big AAA multi-plats, and never will. So Nintendo fans just pretend that games like Burnout, COD4, Oblivion, Orange Box, Assassins Creed, Ninja Gadien Sigma, and Rainbow 6 Vegas simply do not exist. All of those games are AAA on the PS3, and none of then are available on the Wii. Thats more AAA's right there then the Wii has in total.

If the system your trying to defend doesnt have the game, its counts. Sorry Wii, you miss out on far more good games then you actually get.

evilross

The same logic applies to the PC as well, but you cant hide behind a PC when defending you console of choice, when the multi-plats are not on the console your defending.

[QUOTE="tifaz"]

[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="tifaz"]lol so what. PS3 owners cant play bioshock, gears, halo 3 or mass effect. Like the four biggest games in the past year...pathetic..how can u even be into games and not play them.Pietrooper

To be honest though not many poeple seem to play pc games anymore or have a good enough pc to play them. Most poeple on this forum seem to own consoles. Im assuming most poeple who own a ps3 dont have a decent gaming pc aswell!!! That means most ps3 owners are missing out on some of the best must play games in the last two years.

I have a decent gaming PC! And I own all consoles, you are aware that 34% of the game software indsutry last year was PC, not counting DD. And we're discussing exclusives here comparing every system to the 360.

But in reality most poeple who play pc games are hardcore - therfore buy loads of software. Maybe your the exception but if someone owns a next gen console, the liklihood is they won't have a decent gaming pc aswell.

Let me put it this way...Xbox 360 at the moment poops on ps3's game library. The ps3 has missed the best and biggest games in the past couple years.

The PC, obviously gives the gamer the best experience but then again a 360 is a fraction of the price, it still has a graphics card equivalent to a 7900 which is still pretty decent, and gets some of the best PC games before theyre released on the PC.

[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]Did those AAAEs stop being amazing games when they were ported to the pc or something?The_Dan_K

Nope. Just stopped being exclusive, in "teh rulez of da sistem warz."

I'm a console owner, I don't play games on my laptop, so I don't really care if 'exclusives' on the Xbox go to the PC. PC is not a potential method to fullfil my gaming needs. The way I see it, Xbox 360 gets the best games first, period. (majority of my friends happen to own an Xbox 360 also, so we play online which is alot of fun). And as long as Ninja Gaiden 2 is going to be released on the Xbox 360 as an exclusive (that will never be ported to the PC) I will stay a happy console gamer. It's a pitty that PC owners can't enjoy Ninja Gaiden 2 assuming that this is going to be the Crysis of action/adventure game this year.

And the "good" games on the PS3 are not good enough to make someone choose the PS3 over the 360.BenGenio

You emphasize (even bolded) that you were talking about your gaming needs, yet you go on to generalize something for every gamer. Way to contradict yourself.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="DarkCloud79"]

Actually I think it's on GR.

Pietrooper

The 360 has 10 AAA games, the Wii has 4 AAA games and the PS3 has 3 AAA games on GameRankings.

1 game of the 10 AAA games on the 360 is exclusive, unless you count GRAW.

2 games of the 4 AAA games on the Wii are exclusive.

0 games of the 3 AAA games on the PS3 are exclusive.

Uncharted is 90% on Gamerankings :|

If you want to play it that way then:

The 360 has 13 AAA games, the Wii has 5 AAA games and the PS3 has 4 AAA games on GameRankings.

2 games of the 13 AAA games on the 360 are exclusive, unless you count GRAW.

3 games of the 5 AAA games on the Wii are exclusive.

1 game of the 4 AAA games on the PS3 is exclusive.

Yay! Listing the console in order it's:

1. PS3

2. 360

3. Wii

Such a neat number :D

If it makes you feel better. ;)

But in reality most poeple who play pc games are hardcore - therfore buy loads of software. Maybe your the exception but if someone owns a next gen console, the liklihood is they won't have a decent gaming pc aswell.

Let me put it this way...Xbox 360 at the moment poops on ps3's game library. The ps3 has missed the best and biggest games in the past couple years.

The PC, obviously gives the gamer the best experience but then again a 360 is a fraction of the price, it still has a graphics card equivalent to a 7900 which is still pretty decent, and gets some of the best PC games before theyre released on the PC.

tifaz

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Believe it or not, I just now realized that the 360 only had two AAAE. Don't be shocked to see "That's two more than the PS3" style responses though.Pietrooper

GRAW isn't exclusive, the PC version is very similar.

PC version isnt even close. There is 3 different versions of GRAW.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="tifaz"]lol so what. PS3 owners cant play bioshock, gears, halo 3 or mass effect. Like the four biggest games in the past year...pathetic..how can u even be into games and not play them.tifaz

To be honest though not many poeple seem to play pc games anymore or have a good enough pc to play them. Most poeple on this forum seem to own consoles. Im assuming most poeple who own a ps3 dont have a decent gaming pc aswell!!! That means most ps3 owners are missing out on some of the best must play games in the last two years.

I have a decent gaming PC! And I own all consoles, you are aware that 34% of the game software indsutry last year was PC, not counting DD. And we're discussing exclusives here comparing every system to the 360.

But in reality most poeple who play pc games are hardcore - therfore buy loads of software. Maybe your the exception but if someone owns a next gen console, the liklihood is they won't have a decent gaming pc aswell.

Let me put it this way...Xbox 360 at the moment poops on ps3's game library. The ps3 has missed the best and biggest games in the past couple years.

The PC, obviously gives the gamer the best experience but then again a 360 is a fraction of the price, it still has a graphics card equivalent to a 7900 which is still pretty decent, and gets some of the best PC games before theyre released on the PC.

And also that figure of 34% is a load of rubbish. In 2007 1 billion was spent on PC game sales out of the 18 billion dollar industry - hardly anything -http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_080131b.html

what makes GRAW exclusive?Mordred19

Its almost 3 different games with the same titles.

[QUOTE="tifaz"]

But in reality most poeple who play pc games are hardcore - therfore buy loads of software. Maybe your the exception but if someone owns a next gen console, the liklihood is they won't have a decent gaming pc aswell.

Let me put it this way...Xbox 360 at the moment poops on ps3's game library. The ps3 has missed the best and biggest games in the past couple years.

The PC, obviously gives the gamer the best experience but then again a 360 is a fraction of the price, it still has a graphics card equivalent to a 7900 which is still pretty decent, and gets some of the best PC games before theyre released on the PC.

Cerussite

So their PCs wont be any better than playing on a 360 will they?

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Believe it or not, I just now realized that the 360 only had two AAAE. Don't be shocked to see "That's two more than the PS3" style responses though.MrGrimFandango

GRAW isn't exclusive, the PC version is very similar.

Why does every game website list it as a multiplat, then? I mean, if GameSpot counts so much on System Wars, and GameSpot says its multiplat...

[QUOTE="Cerussite"][QUOTE="tifaz"]

But in reality most poeple who play pc games are hardcore - therfore buy loads of software. Maybe your the exception but if someone owns a next gen console, the liklihood is they won't have a decent gaming pc aswell.

Let me put it this way...Xbox 360 at the moment poops on ps3's game library. The ps3 has missed the best and biggest games in the past couple years.

The PC, obviously gives the gamer the best experience but then again a 360 is a fraction of the price, it still has a graphics card equivalent to a 7900 which is still pretty decent, and gets some of the best PC games before theyre released on the PC.

tifaz

So their PCs wont be any better than playing on a 360 will they?

[QUOTE="The_Dan_K"]

[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]Did those AAAEs stop being amazing games when they were ported to the pc or something?DrinkDuff

Nope. Just stopped being exclusive, in "teh rulez of da sistem warz."

Oh, I see. We can admit fault in an editor of high rank of this site but not in the moderators.

Come on. We are all human. We all have our own thoughts and opinions. And while those who work under this site try to be as unbiased as possible, human nature does occur. Proven by the people who have left GS. Proven by my sig link.

The afternoon after I reported that moderation, I had a like thread locked. Nothing breaking any rules. Nothing flaming or trolling or any of that. No worse than 80% of the threads on this site that go without lockage. But it was locked. Why? You tell me. http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_msgs.php?board_id=314159282&topic_id=26314282

[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Believe it or not, I just now realized that the 360 only had two AAAE. Don't be shocked to see "That's two more than the PS3" style responses though.Hexagon_777

GRAW isn't exclusive, the PC version is very similar.

Why does every game website list it as a multiplat, then? I mean, if GameSpot counts so much on System Wars, and GameSpot says its multiplat...

Um, becuase the name GRAW is on multiple platforms?

just remember pc ports dont count :( so 360 has like 10 AAAEs

GiveMeSomething

what you talking about pc dont count its a gaming platform as much as any other platform. i own a gaming pc i play all the superior versions of games on their. its system wars for a reason not console wars. so no 360 does not have like 10 AAAE's. you obviously do not know the meaning of exclusivity

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what makes GRAW exclusive?MrGrimFandango

Its almost 3 different games with the same titles.

The PC and 360 versions are similar with added features on the PC version, the PS2 and Xbox versions were the ones radically different.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="DrinkDuff"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]Believe it or not, I just now realized that the 360 only had two AAAE. Don't be shocked to see "That's two more than the PS3" style responses though.MrGrimFandango

GRAW isn't exclusive, the PC version is very similar.

Why does every game website list it as a multiplat, then? I mean, if GameSpot counts so much on System Wars, and GameSpot says its multiplat...

Um, becuase the name GRAW is on multiple platforms?

So the game isn't exclusive?

what makes GRAW exclusive?Mordred19

Everything but its name.

[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what makes GRAW exclusive?Pietrooper

Its almost 3 different games with the same titles.

The PC and 360 versions are similar with added features on the PC version, the PS2 and Xbox versions were the ones radically different.

[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what makes GRAW exclusive?Pietrooper

Its almost 3 different games with the same titles.

The PC and 360 versions are similar with added features on the PC version, the PS2 and Xbox versions were the ones radically different.

They arent the same game, get over it, the PC version is as exclusive as the 360.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]what makes GRAW exclusive?MrGrimFandango

Its almost 3 different games with the same titles.

The PC and 360 versions are similar with added features on the PC version, the PS2 and Xbox versions were the ones radically different.

They arent the same game, get over it, the PC version is as exclusive as the 360.

i dont see why people make such a big deal about it. both games were good. and yes they are both different. its like mgs twin snakes on gamecube i think it was and mgs on psx, they same in terms of story etc but play very different = two different games

If GRAW is exclusive, then why didn't the developers give the game a name that shows that? Why bother making everything but the name exclusive? Why let game websites list the game as a multiplat?Hexagon_777

Um, becuase what else are you gonna call a Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter?

The 3 games are the same premise, just different games, that so hard to comprehend?

This has to be one of the dumbest threads I have seen in a long time. Not only is the math wrong (3+ years? In which dimision?), but currently Halo 3 = XBOX360 only. GRAW is also exclusive to the 360. The other versions weren't even the same game. Lets also not forget games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Gears of War, etc that unless you have a top notch PC, can only be played on 360.

/thread

[QUOTE="GiveMeSomething"]

just remember pc ports dont count :( so 360 has like 10 AAAEs

superjim42

what you talking about pc dont count its a gaming platform as much as any other platform. i own a gaming pc i play all the superior versions of games on their. its system wars for a reason not console wars. so no 360 does not have like 10 AAAE's. you obviously do not know the meaning of exclusivity

The only problem with treatingthe PC on an equal playing field as consoles is this: "When do you start counting games for a PC during any gaming cycle?"

Here is an example: Oblivion was released on 360 and PC at pretty much the same time, most people would say that the PC version on max settings is graphically better, and thats the way it was reviewed. Now, to run Oblivion at the time it was released and have it actually look and preform better then the 360 version, you had to have a top end CPU, and the top end card of the time, which was along the lines of a 7900 i believe.

Fast forward to today. You have games like Crysis available, and are graphically superior to the consoles, but, if you are playing Crysis on the exact same machine that you used to play Oblivion when it came out, the game is NOT graphically all that great, and wont even run well with the visual downgrades. To run Crysis at the levels that its been reviewed at and all the screens are taken from you'd have to upgrade, and not only upgrade your GPU, you'd most likely had to upgrade your RAM, maybe your CPU, and you'd have to even upgrade your OS to the DX10 enabled Vista.

So here's the point. Do you start when the first next gen console comes out, and just ignore the fact that the PC's are not the same? Do you start with the Wii and PS3 releases and say thats when all the next gen systems were out? Or do you wait until the PC actually upgraded to its next gen with DX10? If so then what about all the games that came before.

Its a big mess IMO, and i dont see how PC gaming and console gaming can really be put in the same catagory.

This has to be one of the dumbest threads I have seen in a long time. Not only is the math wrong (3+ years? In which dimision?), but currently Halo 3 = XBOX360 only. GRAW is also exclusive to the 360. The other versions weren't even the same game. Lets also not forget games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Gears of War, etc that unless you have a top notch PC, can only be played on 360.

/thread

RonnieLottinSF

Top notch PC? because very high settings @ 2500x1600 is the only way I can play theses games?

[QUOTE="superjim42"][QUOTE="GiveMeSomething"]

just remember pc ports dont count :( so 360 has like 10 AAAEs

evilross

what you talking about pc dont count its a gaming platform as much as any other platform. i own a gaming pc i play all the superior versions of games on their. its system wars for a reason not console wars. so no 360 does not have like 10 AAAE's. you obviously do not know the meaning of exclusivity

The only problem with treatingthe PC on an equal playing field as consoles is this: "When do you start counting games for a PC during any gaming cycle?"

Here is an example: Oblivion was released on 360 and PC at pretty much the same time, most people would say that the PC version on max settings is graphically better, and thats the way it was reviewed. Now, to run Oblivion at the time it was released and have it actually look and preform better then the 360 version, you had to have a top end CPU, and the top end card of the time, which was along the lines of a 7900 i believe.

Fast forward to today. You have games like Crysis available, and are graphically superior to the consoles, but, if you are playing Crysis on the exact same machine that you used to play Oblivion when it came out, the game is NOT graphically all that great, and wont even run well with the visual downgrades. To run Crysis at the levels that its been reviewed at and all the screens are taken from you'd have to upgrade, and not only upgrade your GPU, you'd most likely had to upgrade your RAM, maybe your CPU, and you'd have to even upgrade your OS to the DX10 enabled Vista.

So here's the point. Do you start when the first next gen console comes out, and just ignore the fact that the PC's are not the same? Do you start with the Wii and PS3 releases and say thats when all the next gen systems were out? Or do you wait until the PC actually upgraded to its next gen with DX10? If so then what about all the games that came before.

Its a big mess IMO, and i dont see how PC gaming and console gaming can really be put in the same catagory.

Because they both play video styled games.

[QUOTE="superjim42"][QUOTE="GiveMeSomething"]

just remember pc ports dont count :( so 360 has like 10 AAAEs

evilross

what you talking about pc dont count its a gaming platform as much as any other platform. i own a gaming pc i play all the superior versions of games on their. its system wars for a reason not console wars. so no 360 does not have like 10 AAAE's. you obviously do not know the meaning of exclusivity

The only problem with treatingthe PC on an equal playing field as consoles is this: "When do you start counting games for a PC during any gaming cycle?"

Here is an example: Oblivion was released on 360 and PC at pretty much the same time, most people would say that the PC version on max settings is graphically better, and thats the way it was reviewed. Now, to run Oblivion at the time it was released and have it actually look and preform better then the 360 version, you had to have a top end CPU, and the top end card of the time, which was along the lines of a 7900 i believe.

Fast forward to today. You have games like Crysis available, and are graphically superior to the consoles, but, if you are playing Crysis on the exact same machine that you used to play Oblivion when it came out, the game is NOT graphically all that great, and wont even run well with the visual downgrades. To run Crysis at the levels that its been reviewed at and all the screens are taken from you'd have to upgrade, and not only upgrade your GPU, you'd most likely had to upgrade your RAM, maybe your CPU, and you'd have to even upgrade your OS to the DX10 enabled Vista.

So here's the point. Do you start when the first next gen console comes out, and just ignore the fact that the PC's are not the same? Do you start with the Wii and PS3 releases and say thats when all the next gen systems were out? Or do you wait until the PC actually upgraded to its next gen with DX10? If so then what about all the games that came before.

Its a big mess IMO, and i dont see how PC gaming and console gaming can really be put in the same catagory.

Mods don't exist???