Well yeah, it's silly to overlook how gamey that scenario is, but the conclusions that he's leaping to are laughable.jg4xchampDude. texasgoldrush.
You had him at first person cleavage jg4xchamp
Yo, I am not Shake. Insulting.
Bioshock 2 >>>>>> Bioshock Infinite (spoilers)
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You had him at first person cleavage jg4xchampIt if was 1997 right now it would've been a day 1 buy from me. [QUOTE="DarkLink77"] The reviews say the story is good, so I may get it on the cheap. I hear that ones been patched a lot by the community. You talking about Operation Genesis? Could be worth it, gets discounted on Steam often enough too so it'll be interesting to hear what you think of it. Yes! That's the one Operation Genesis.
Well he had me at first person cleavage. If only Itagaki had worked on that game. jg4xchampNot gonna lie, I kind of want to see first person cleavage just because. RIGHT? Would have been the game of the forever.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Well he had me at first person cleavage. If only Itagaki had worked on that game. DarkLink77Not gonna lie, I kind of want to see first person cleavage just because. RIGHT? Would have been the game of the forever. The greatest first person cleavage physics of all time. Would have been Ninja Gaiden Black tier.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]You had him at first person cleavage skrat_01It if was 1997 right now it would've been a day 1 buy from me. [QUOTE="DarkLink77"] The reviews say the story is good, so I may get it on the cheap. I hear that ones been patched a lot by the community. You talking about Operation Genesis? Could be worth it, gets discounted on Steam often enough too so it'll be interesting to hear what you think of it. Yes! That's the one Operation Genesis. Yeah, it's on sale right now. Must. Resist. Man, I wanna play that. I bet it's hard as hell to find, though.
[spoiler] the tatto is your health bar [/spoiler] 
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Well he had me at first person cleavage. If only Itagaki had worked on that game. jg4xchampNot gonna lie, I kind of want to see first person cleavage just because. RIGHT? Would have been the game of the forever. The greatest first person cleavage physics of all time. Would have been Ninja Gaiden Black tier. This just in: Devil's Third changes perspective. Itagaki on the change: "I wanted to do first-person jiggle physics. Bow to me."
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the tatto is your health bar
Slow_Show
Wait, are we positive Itagaki didn't work on this game?
No jiggle physics, brah.[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]Yeah, it's on sale right now. Must. Resist.Slow_Show
Dude, not that I'm much for Metacritic, but it has a 54 metacritic. And you don't even get to play as Dr. Grant!
But all the reviews said the story was good. :(The greatest first person cleavage physics of all time. Would have been Ninja Gaiden Black tier. Well maybe if Devil's Third isn't vaporware he can sneak in some first person cleavage just to keep us satisfied. Yeah dude is stuck without a pub, and you gotta think who is even gonna take a bet on him at this point? Tecmo is not an option lol Namco is clearly not an option with the amount of sh1t he's said about Namco and Tekken Sega isn't gonna do it since they weren't willing to fund Bayonetta 2, and are scaling back after Binary Domain(good game, bad budgeting) EA? pfft Activision? ha THQ? too soon? Ubisoft? eh...I guess they did No More Heroes. Maybe Zenimax or Warner Bros? and even then it would be a reach for them. I think the dude is awesome, but I would not bet on him commercially.[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Not gonna lie, I kind of want to see first person cleavage just because. RIGHT? Would have been the game of the forever.Vaasman
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Well maybe if Devil's Third isn't vaporware he can sneak in some first person cleavage just to keep us satisfied. Yeah dude is stuck without a pub, and you gotta think who is even gonna take a bet on him at this point? Tecmo is not an option lol Namco is clearly not an option with the amount of sh1t he's said about Namco and Tekken Sega isn't gonna do it since they weren't willing to fund Bayonetta 2, and are scaling back after Binary Domain(good game, bad budgeting) EA? pfft Activision? ha THQ? too soon? Ubisoft? eh...I guess they did No More Heroes. Maybe Zenimax or Warner Bros? and even then it would be a reach for them. I think the dude is awesome, but I would not bet on him commercially. They got a publisher, actually: To all our fans and members of the industry, thank you for your continued support. We would like to announce that Valhalla Game Studios Co., Ltd. and Doobic Co., Ltd., a top developer of online shooters for the PC, have entered into a mutual technical collaboration contract. Additionally, Valhalla Game Studios and Doobic have reached an agreement to establish a new joint venture corporation, Valhalla&Doobic Co., Ltd. We would also like to announce our decision to contract the development of the PC and tablet versions of Devils Third to Valhalla&Doobic Co., Ltd. In addition to both home console and PC versions, Valhalla Game Studios plans to expand the Devils Third universe across a variety of digital devices and through various forms of entertainment. The technical collaboration agreement we have reached with Doobic will greatly help in accelerating the expansion of the Devils Third franchise. We will continue to do our best to fulfill your expectations, and we sincerely hope for your continued encouragement and support. Valhalla Game Studios Co., Ltd. CEO Satoshi Kanematsu[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] The greatest first person cleavage physics of all time. Would have been Ninja Gaiden Black tier. jg4xchamp
He uses his teleport in the museum to move around, he's not passing through the vox willy nilly.[QUOTE="Vaasman"]
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Vox didn't kill him...he didn't flee.the_bi99man
Would it really hurt THAT much just to say you're wrong?Â
He's just dead set on finding issues with every little thing. I'm done talking about Infinite with this guy. He can go ahead and keep losing sleep over imaginary plot holes because it didn't do everything exactly the way he wanted. I'm going to continue going through life knowing that Infinite is an amazing game, with a top-notch story that puts 90% of the video game industry to shame.Â
and that was only a minor plot hole......there are more serious ones out there.[QUOTE="the_bi99man"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]He uses his teleport in the museum to move around, he's not passing through the vox willy nilly.
Would it really hurt THAT much just to say you're wrong?Â
texasgoldrush
He's just dead set on finding issues with every little thing. I'm done talking about Infinite with this guy. He can go ahead and keep losing sleep over imaginary plot holes because it didn't do everything exactly the way he wanted. I'm going to continue going through life knowing that Infinite is an amazing game, with a top-notch story that puts 90% of the video game industry to shame.Â
and that was only a minor plot hole......there are more serious ones out there. You mean that plot hole you were proven wrong about?
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Well maybe if Devil's Third isn't vaporware he can sneak in some first person cleavage just to keep us satisfied. Yeah dude is stuck without a pub, and you gotta think who is even gonna take a bet on him at this point? Tecmo is not an option lol Namco is clearly not an option with the amount of sh1t he's said about Namco and Tekken Sega isn't gonna do it since they weren't willing to fund Bayonetta 2, and are scaling back after Binary Domain(good game, bad budgeting) EA? pfft Activision? ha THQ? too soon? Ubisoft? eh...I guess they did No More Heroes. Maybe Zenimax or Warner Bros? and even then it would be a reach for them. I think the dude is awesome, but I would not bet on him commercially. Think maybe MS would publish it? They did help with distribution in the 2 original games, and the titles were timed exclusive.[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] The greatest first person cleavage physics of all time. Would have been Ninja Gaiden Black tier. jg4xchamp
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]He uses his teleport in the museum to move around, he's not passing through the vox willy nilly.
Would it really hurt THAT much just to say you're wrong?Â
texasgoldrush
He's just dead set on finding issues with every little thing. I'm done talking about Infinite with this guy. He can go ahead and keep losing sleep over imaginary plot holes because it didn't do everything exactly the way he wanted. I'm going to continue going through life knowing that Infinite is an amazing game, with a top-notch story that puts 90% of the video game industry to shame.Â
and that was only a minor plot hole......there are more serious ones out there.That's close enough to "I'm wrong" that I'm willing to take it.[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Well maybe if Devil's Third isn't vaporware he can sneak in some first person cleavage just to keep us satisfied.DarkLink77Yeah dude is stuck without a pub, and you gotta think who is even gonna take a bet on him at this point? Tecmo is not an option lol Namco is clearly not an option with the amount of sh1t he's said about Namco and Tekken Sega isn't gonna do it since they weren't willing to fund Bayonetta 2, and are scaling back after Binary Domain(good game, bad budgeting) EA? pfft Activision? ha THQ? too soon? Ubisoft? eh...I guess they did No More Heroes. Maybe Zenimax or Warner Bros? and even then it would be a reach for them. I think the dude is awesome, but I would not bet on him commercially. They got a publisher, actually: To all our fans and members of the industry, thank you for your continued support. We would like to announce that Valhalla Game Studios Co., Ltd. and Doobic Co., Ltd., a top developer of online shooters for the PC, have entered into a mutual technical collaboration contract. Additionally, Valhalla Game Studios and Doobic have reached an agreement to establish a new joint venture corporation, Valhalla&Doobic Co., Ltd. We would also like to announce our decision to contract the development of the PC and tablet versions of Devils Third to Valhalla&Doobic Co., Ltd. In addition to both home console and PC versions, Valhalla Game Studios plans to expand the Devils Third universe across a variety of digital devices and through various forms of entertainment. The technical collaboration agreement we have reached with Doobic will greatly help in accelerating the expansion of the Devils Third franchise. We will continue to do our best to fulfill your expectations, and we sincerely hope for your continued encouragement and support. Valhalla Game Studios Co., Ltd. CEO Satoshi Kanematsu ITAGAKI GAME ON PC IM SO TURNED ON RIGHT NOW!!! cant wait for his interview on how x-franchise is for p*ssies.
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Yeah dude is stuck without a pub, and you gotta think who is even gonna take a bet on him at this point? Tecmo is not an option lol Namco is clearly not an option with the amount of sh1t he's said about Namco and Tekken Sega isn't gonna do it since they weren't willing to fund Bayonetta 2, and are scaling back after Binary Domain(good game, bad budgeting) EA? pfft Activision? ha THQ? too soon? Ubisoft? eh...I guess they did No More Heroes. Maybe Zenimax or Warner Bros? and even then it would be a reach for them. I think the dude is awesome, but I would not bet on him commercially. jg4xchampThey got a publisher, actually: To all our fans and members of the industry, thank you for your continued support. We would like to announce that Valhalla Game Studios Co., Ltd. and Doobic Co., Ltd., a top developer of online shooters for the PC, have entered into a mutual technical collaboration contract. Additionally, Valhalla Game Studios and Doobic have reached an agreement to establish a new joint venture corporation, Valhalla&Doobic Co., Ltd. We would also like to announce our decision to contract the development of the PC and tablet versions of Devils Third to Valhalla&Doobic Co., Ltd. In addition to both home console and PC versions, Valhalla Game Studios plans to expand the Devils Third universe across a variety of digital devices and through various forms of entertainment. The technical collaboration agreement we have reached with Doobic will greatly help in accelerating the expansion of the Devils Third franchise. We will continue to do our best to fulfill your expectations, and we sincerely hope for your continued encouragement and support. Valhalla Game Studios Co., Ltd. CEO Satoshi Kanematsu ITAGAKI GAME ON PC IM SO TURNED ON RIGHT NOW!!! cant wait for his interview on how x-franchise is for p*ssies. He can say Ocarina of Time is the worst game ever made for all I care, as long as he starts turning out gold again.
ITAGAKI GAME ON PC IM SO TURNED ON RIGHT NOW!!! cant wait for his interview on how x-franchise is for p*ssies. He can say Ocarina of Time is the worst game ever made for all I care, as long as he starts turning out gold again. Eh as much flak as Ninja Gaiden 2 gets for its camera, the iffy environments, the framerate, and the cheapness I think he was well on his way to making gold with Ninja Gaiden 2. The games opening and final third are absolutely brilliant when they are clicking on all cylinders. That staircase fight had me hyped every second of it.[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They got a publisher, actually: To all our fans and members of the industry, thank you for your continued support. We would like to announce that Valhalla Game Studios Co., Ltd. and Doobic Co., Ltd., a top developer of online shooters for the PC, have entered into a mutual technical collaboration contract. Additionally, Valhalla Game Studios and Doobic have reached an agreement to establish a new joint venture corporation, Valhalla&Doobic Co., Ltd. We would also like to announce our decision to contract the development of the PC and tablet versions of Devils Third to Valhalla&Doobic Co., Ltd. In addition to both home console and PC versions, Valhalla Game Studios plans to expand the Devils Third universe across a variety of digital devices and through various forms of entertainment. The technical collaboration agreement we have reached with Doobic will greatly help in accelerating the expansion of the Devils Third franchise. We will continue to do our best to fulfill your expectations, and we sincerely hope for your continued encouragement and support. Valhalla Game Studios Co., Ltd. CEO Satoshi KanematsuVaasman
The problem is that his response to Tecmo not paying him was him being about 80ish percent(random numbers being thrown out sw styIe) was: f*ck it we're done and pushing it out because he doesn't tolerate getting sh1tted on like that. I guess you can say it's unprofessional and unwise on his part to rush his own product out so he can be done with that place(and especially because it would have been the best action game of all time...sans RE 4 if he had got to finish it and balance it), but hey at the end of the day I'd say NG2 is still really f*cking good.
As unfair as that game can get there are not many action games that feel as good as NG2 does when that game is working exactly the way it was suppose to. That lycanthrope castle? F*CKING GODLY
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Except he doesn't actually sick anyone on you. There is no visual cue or dialogue cue that would justify that reasoning either. That's you making an assumption with nothing really backing it besides a scenario that is gamey. It's not a well directed scenario for sure, but nothing about it would make it seem like the Zealots are on the same page as the Vox.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] the only conclusion is that this guy turned because he found the truth about Lady Comstock...that I will accept. The guy is deinitely Vox however. He sics Vox on you.
texasgoldrush
If anything Levine probably banked on the player thinking oh he's just being sneaky and not getting caught, and really that doesn't work as well. In that scenario maybe being more transparent and acting like he's constantly leading you to a trap would have worked better.
Poorly directed? sure
A vox/zealot mashup like you are saying? That is 100% incorrect, but we both know you won't accept that. However, the tear does reveal that Comstock had his wife killed. Except he can't really open the tear nor really does he have any of the other story parts of the backstory to justify that kind of swing....that's you leaping to a conclusion again, and doesn't work against anything I've said.
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Except he doesn't actually sick anyone on you. There is no visual cue or dialogue cue that would justify that reasoning either. That's you making an assumption with nothing really backing it besides a scenario that is gamey. It's not a well directed scenario for sure, but nothing about it would make it seem like the Zealots are on the same page as the Vox.However, the tear does reveal that Comstock had his wife killed. Except he can't really open the tear nor really does he have any of the other story parts of the backstory to justify that kind of swing....that's you leaping to a conclusion again, and doesn't work against anything I've said. The best part was, I didn't know what section he was referring to earlier, and I was like, "Yo, maybe they figured out Comstock killed his wife." And he was like, "Nah, you're reaching." /texasgoldrushlogic
If anything Levine probably banked on the player thinking oh he's just being sneaky and not getting caught, and really that doesn't work as well. In that scenario maybe being more transparent and acting like he's constantly leading you to a trap would have worked better.
Poorly directed? sure
A vox/zealot mashup like you are saying? That is 100% incorrect, but we both know you won't accept that.jg4xchamp
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Except he doesn't actually sick anyone on you. There is no visual cue or dialogue cue that would justify that reasoning either. That's you making an assumption with nothing really backing it besides a scenario that is gamey. It's not a well directed scenario for sure, but nothing about it would make it seem like the Zealots are on the same page as the Vox.However, the tear does reveal that Comstock had his wife killed. Except he can't really open the tear nor really does he have any of the other story parts of the backstory to justify that kind of swing....that's you leaping to a conclusion again, and doesn't work against anything I've said. ok, than is another poorly directed gaming moment.....I was trying to actually help Infinite here.
If anything Levine probably banked on the player thinking oh he's just being sneaky and not getting caught, and really that doesn't work as well. In that scenario maybe being more transparent and acting like he's constantly leading you to a trap would have worked better.
Poorly directed? sure
A vox/zealot mashup like you are saying? That is 100% incorrect, but we both know you won't accept that.jg4xchamp
ok, than is another poorly directed gaming moment.....I was trying to actually help Infinite here.No you weren't. You were trying to criticize an asinine point, making a huge deal out of nothing, and you were wrong. You don't have to say it if you don't want, but we all know it. Tell me...what don't the Vox just attack him.....a sniper is standing behind him and he is simply standing on top of a shelf? Maybe because, he is a Vox version of the Crow.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Except he can't really open the tear nor really does he have any of the other story parts of the backstory to justify that kind of swing....that's you leaping to a conclusion again, and doesn't work against anything I've said. Vaasman
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]No you weren't. You were trying to criticize an asinine point, making a huge deal out of nothing, and you were wrong. You don't have to say it if you don't want, but we all know it. Tell me...what don't the Vox just attack him.....a sniper is standing behind him and he is simply standing on top of a shelf? Maybe because, he is a Vox version of the Crow.No he uses crow teleportation to move through the area. He isn't moving through them unhindered. There is nothing to suggest the vox would not attack him if he were ever attackable. There's nothing to suggest they even saw him.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] ok, than is another poorly directed gaming moment.....I was trying to actually help Infinite here.texasgoldrush
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Except he can't really open the tear nor really does he have any of the other story parts of the backstory to justify that kind of swing....that's you leaping to a conclusion again, and doesn't work against anything I've said. texasgoldrushThe best part was, I didn't know what section he was referring to earlier, and I was like, "Yo, maybe they figured out Comstock killed his wife." And he was like, "Nah, you're reaching." /texasgoldrushlogic and yet you reached all thread long an dyou were proven wrong in one of my points. I've already proved most of your points wrong. You just refuse to acknowledge simple logic. F*cking clown.
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Except he can't really open the tear nor really does he have any of the other story parts of the backstory to justify that kind of swing....that's you leaping to a conclusion again, and doesn't work against anything I've said. jg4xchampok, than is another poorly directed gaming moment.....I was trying to actually help Infinite here. And I would not disagree with that notion. The part in the game where that zealot cardinal is going through the bank all blinking in and out with the vox populi is silly given how none of the vox catch him, and seems gamey. That is however not really all that game breaking, or story breaking, or anything like that considering all 3 Bioshock games, and really even the System Shock games had moments that were very gamey and relied too much on the player having to ignore something as "videogame logic" Redeemed sequence? no But something that ruins or has a lasting impact on the rest of the experience? not really. No....but I found it to be an example, however small it may be, of the game not paying attention to the narrative. However, my criticisms of some major plot holes (that whole martyr booker voxphone story thread should be axed from the game), and the complete lack of depth with key parts of the narrative as well as many of the characters are very serious. And I actually find for the most part, both Bioshock games avoid this video game logic...is it totally free from it? No. But they were a lot better than Infinite. I couldn't find anything as immersion breaking as say, blowing away a mom and dad in front of her kids and Elizabeth saying absolutely nothing, in the first two Bioshock games.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] ok, than is another poorly directed gaming moment.....I was trying to actually help Infinite here.texasgoldrushAnd I would not disagree with that notion. The part in the game where that zealot cardinal is going through the bank all blinking in and out with the vox populi is silly given how none of the vox catch him, and seems gamey. That is however not really all that game breaking, or story breaking, or anything like that considering all 3 Bioshock games, and really even the System Shock games had moments that were very gamey and relied too much on the player having to ignore something as "videogame logic" Redeemed sequence? no But something that ruins or has a lasting impact on the rest of the experience? not really. No....but I found it to be an example, however small it may be, of the game not paying attention to the narrative. However, my criticisms of some major plot holes (that whole martyr booker voxphone story thread should be axed from the game), and the complete lack of depth with key parts of the narrative as well as many of the characters are very serious. And I actually find for the most part, both Bioshock games avoid this video game logic...is it totally free from it? No. But they were a lot better than Infinite. I couldn't find anything as immersion breaking as say, blowing away a mom and dad in front of her kids and Elizabeth saying absolutely nothing, in the first two Bioshock games.
Well again I made my comments on the games as a whole earlier. While I think Andrew Ryan is superior to Comstock, the villains as a whole are superior to what I deal with in Infinite, and in general Rapture was more enjoyable to explore(because as an environment it was bigger) the overall game was never really that strong. The actual choice is poorly executed and hamfisted, the game itself is sluggish, dull, made way too easy in parts, and tedious by the final stretch, and as a whole the final act of that game exists. That is a huge problem when an entire end stretch of the game is just weak(although I really like the theater guy).
2? It has all the drawbacks of Bioshocks gameplay while adding in a Nemesis type enemy in the Big Sister. Are some of her sequences allegedly entertaining? maybe, me personally I got sick of her scripted nature, and transparent attacks. She came off like a typical FPS boss fight, which means lame as f*ck. Narratively while you enjoy the more dialed back and personal story(and I'm usually a sucker for that stuff) it bothered me that even if Bioshock ultimately fell on its face, even if Infinite literally collapses on itself at times when you think about it 2 was just not even making the same attempts at doing something bigger. The other games wanted to be more, 2 wanted to be more Bioshock. What it did better were of no importance to me and it made it a dull experience to sit through. Apparently I should have gone through Minervas Den. I might give Bioshock 2 another go if only for that part.
Infinite? I have many gripes wtih that game. Comstock is not fleshed out enough, there are plot swings that seem too sudden at times, and other aspects aren't explained as well. Columbia is begging me to explore it and they chose to dial it back. The game as a whole is dialed back from what levine wanted to do in that E3 2011 demo. It's more man shooter than that original vision ever showed. It's too easy because of Elizabeth, 1999 mode takes away the best aspect of the combat to be challenging and thus sucks frankly, and the ending can kind of become pointless if you watch post credits. What I love about the game is how powerful I feel in combat, and how more fluid the action is as a whole. As far as action games and game design goes Infinite is the superior to the previous 2. From a purely narrative standpoint I admit I'm probably giving it a free pass, but a lot of it is hinted and built up nicely that shows up on replays, and the ending is pretty effective and interesting for what it was.
Maybe I love it more because it shows me a triple A action game can have a sense of wonder to it the way a Bungie/Rockstar/Ubisoft game doesn't, and less for what it actually does, but I love it for that. I do not agree, nor do I actually disagree with everything you said. If someone said that the original Bioshock had stronger narrative moments? I would agree. If someone said Infinite has writing misfires? You're damn right it does. That said actually playing Infinite is entertaining even though it settles on being a man shooter and nothing more. The other 2? not so much.
Would I call anyone of the 3 Bioshock games actually great? No. Great moments along the way, but they ultimately falter on just pure game design alone.
No....but I found it to be an example, however small it may be, of the game not paying attention to the narrative. However, my criticisms of some major plot holes (that whole martyr booker voxphone story thread should be axed from the game), and the complete lack of depth with key parts of the narrative as well as many of the characters are very serious. And I actually find for the most part, both Bioshock games avoid this video game logic...is it totally free from it? No. But they were a lot better than Infinite. I couldn't find anything as immersion breaking as say, blowing away a mom and dad in front of her kids and Elizabeth saying absolutely nothing, in the first two Bioshock games.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] And I would not disagree with that notion. The part in the game where that zealot cardinal is going through the bank all blinking in and out with the vox populi is silly given how none of the vox catch him, and seems gamey. That is however not really all that game breaking, or story breaking, or anything like that considering all 3 Bioshock games, and really even the System Shock games had moments that were very gamey and relied too much on the player having to ignore something as "videogame logic" Redeemed sequence? no But something that ruins or has a lasting impact on the rest of the experience? not really. jg4xchamp
Well again I made my comments on the games as a whole earlier. While I think Andrew Ryan is superior to Comstock, the villains as a whole are superior to what I deal with in Infinite, and in general Rapture was more enjoyable to explore(because as an environment it was bigger) the overall game was never really that strong. The actual choice is poorly executed and hamfisted, the game itself is sluggish, dull, made way too easy in parts, and tedious by the final stretch, and as a whole the final act of that game exists. That is a huge problem when an entire end stretch of the game is just weak(although I really like the theater guy).
2? It has all the drawbacks of Bioshocks gameplay while adding in a Nemesis type enemy in the Big Sister. Are some of her sequences allegedly entertaining? maybe, me personally I got sick of her scripted nature, and transparent attacks. She came off like a typical FPS boss fight, which means lame as f*ck. Narratively while you enjoy the more dialed back and personal story(and I'm usually a sucker for that stuff) it bothered me that even if Bioshock ultimately fell on its face, even if Infinite literally collapses on itself at times when you think about it 2 was just not even making the same attempts at doing something bigger. The other games wanted to be more, 2 wanted to be more Bioshock. What it did better were of no importance to me and it made it a dull experience to sit through. Apparently I should have gone through Minervas Den. I might give Bioshock 2 another go if only for that part.
Infinite? I have many gripes wtih that game. Comstock is not fleshed out enough, there are plot swings that seem too sudden at times, and other aspects aren't explained as well. Columbia is begging me to explore it and they chose to dial it back. The game as a whole is dialed back from what levine wanted to do in that E3 2011 demo. It's more man shooter than that original vision ever showed. It's too easy because of Elizabeth, 1999 mode takes away the best aspect of the combat to be challenging and thus sucks frankly, and the ending can kind of become pointless if you watch post credits. What I love about the game is how powerful I feel in combat, and how more fluid the action is as a whole. As far as action games and game design goes Infinite is the superior to the previous 2. From a purely narrative standpoint I admit I'm probably giving it a free pass, but a lot of it is hinted and built up nicely that shows up on replays, and the ending is pretty effective and interesting for what it was.
Maybe I love it more because it shows me a triple A action game can have a sense of wonder to it the way a Bungie/Rockstar/Ubisoft game doesn't, and less for what it actually does, but I love it for that. I do not agree, nor do I actually disagree with everything you said. If someone said that the original Bioshock had stronger narrative moments? I would agree. If someone said Infinite has writing misfires? You're damn right it does. That said actually playing Infinite is entertaining even though it settles on being a man shooter and nothing more. The other 2? not so much.
Would I call anyone of the 3 Bioshock games actually great? No. Great moments along the way, but they ultimately falter on just pure game design alone. Agreed, more or less. Though I do love Booker as a protagonist. That was the best part of Infinite for me, I think.
Booker is chill, but I want to know way more about Vox Booker. jg4xchampYeah, me too. Seems like a prime candidate for DLC.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Booker is chill, but I want to know way more about Vox Booker. DarkLink77Yeah, me too. Seems like a prime candidate for DLC. Yep. I'm not sure if I find that douchy tier intentional, or just a generally good way of doing it given how drawn out the game would feel it if they explained all those points.
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Booker is chill, but I want to know way more about Vox Booker. jg4xchampYeah, me too. Seems like a prime candidate for DLC. Yep. I'm not sure if I find that douchy tier intentional, or just a generally good way of doing it given how drawn out the game would feel it if they explained all those points. Eh. My playthrough took like 15 hours. I have no complaints about how long the game was or the content we got. I honestly cannot wait to get more Infinite.
Booker is chill, but I want to know way more about Vox Booker. jg4xchampWhich opens up the plot holes. A DLC does need to address this....they need to take an Elizabeth out of that universe. Daisy Fitzroy also needs to definitely be fleshed out.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Booker is chill, but I want to know way more about Vox Booker. texasgoldrushWhich opens up the plot holes. A DLC does need to address this....they need to take an Elizabeth out of that universe. Daisy Fitzroy also needs to definitely be fleshed out. Well, they always have the option to flesh that stuff out. Would also like to see more Songbird.
Bioshock Infinite is god compared to Bioshock 2
20 pages of texas tears? this must be a new record!
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20 pages of texas tears? this must be a new record!
musalala
Dude this is nothing remember when dreman999 was  a regular  we would reach 50 plus pages
oh right he could cry very hard too.
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