BioShock 2's creative director: The console wars are "a bit silly"

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#1 hassanfadil
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Destructoid asked BioShock 2's creative director what he thought about the long-running online battle for console supremacy.

"There's a cognitive effect known as 'confirmation bias' which leads people to latch onto conclusions that support their preferences and ignore data which doesn't," explains Jordan Thomas. "This leads to wild, unreasoning loyalty to a chosen platform, sports team, or brand of soda.

"From a development perspective, the console wars are a bit silly; our target is consistency, and it's always kind of sad to see people throwing their energy into "platform partisanship", because it seems to flood the critical channels and drown out other creative discourse."

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#2 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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And that's why, BioShock 2, which I'm gussing will be one of the best games this gen, is multiplat. Rejoice. GO BIOSHOCK 2.
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#3 BioShockOwnz
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Jordan Thomas will establish his career big time with BioShock 2. Much in the same way Ken Levine did with System Shock 2.

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#4 racing1750
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I agree with him, but sadly this won't stop kids arguing over their chosen console.
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#5 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Multiplatform means reaching out to a larger volume of consumers. That's why it's silly for a 3rd party developer to limit yourself to one system.
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#6 Senor_Kami
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Fanboyism is always silly, regardless of the product or medium. Not news imo, but interesting post I guess.
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#7 DoomZaW
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I think i recall sony saying the same thing a while back. Really fuels the question of why fanboys does something their "god" doesn't appreciate

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#8 Microdevine
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It's about time someone said this. Instead of the usual, "Well X console can't do what Y console can." Or, " Console X has a higher attatchment rate, or better year over year sales than Y console". Its seriously pathetic and childish in my opinion. I have no problem with Gamespotters argueing over better games. As it can make for good conversation. But when anyone just blindly follows a company that just wants your money, and nothing else. It's a little ridiculous. I'm glad someone just cut all the bs, and just straight up said this is a business. And we need to make money in order to make the games you guys love. I couldnt have said it better myself.

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#9 PSdual_wielder
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This is the guy that came up with Sander Cohen in bioshock 1. :D

Well said.

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#10 789shadow
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I know it's silly. But it's just so fun.:P

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#11 hassanfadil
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Fanboyism is always silly, regardless of the product or medium. Not news imo, but interesting post I guess.Senor_Kami
Fanboyism is inevitable just like light and dark i guess.
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#12 RAGINGxPONY
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I agree with him, system wars is silly. I don't know why I come here, I guess it is just fun.

Anyways i'm a fan of whatever comapny makes the best system for me. Right now it is Xbox, but maybe next year it will be Sony, Nintendo, or even Apple, I really don't care aslong as they make the best system that fits my needs, I really don't care what brand it is.

I hate when people compare Console wars to sports though, they are completly different.

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#13 RAGINGxPONY
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Fanboyism is always silly, regardless of the product or medium. Not news imo, but interesting post I guess.Senor_Kami

Actually I disagree with this. When it comes to sports, I think you have to be a fanboy of a certain team to make it more exciting. I've watched hockey games with two teams I don't care about, it is alot less fun and exciting than if my Maple Leafs we're playing. I still enjoy watching any hockey though.

Not to mention, you choose a favourite team, normally the team that is your hometown, or the team that your dad loved. And you grow up watching them and become emotionally attached to that team. I have been watching the Maple Leafs since I was like 4, and I can't imagine cheering for any other team, even though the Maple Leafs haven't won aStanley Cup in over 40 years.

For Consoles it's different though because their is no sport involved. There is nothing that you watch on TV, there is nothing to cheer for. There is no championship the companies are competing for lol.

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I was going to buy Bioshock 2... but NEVERMIND.

HOW DARE HE QUESTION THIS FORUM. He will pay for those hurtful comments. SPREAD THE WORD

Did you hear that in Bioshock 2 large portions of the game are devoted to decorating your little sister's doll house? Bioshock 2 boasts a huge "House Devoration Engine" (HDE). The game is "10% story, 10% shooting, and 80% showing off the HDE" the lead developer of Bioshock 2 admitted. 2k marin looks to spawn a new generation of games based off this HDE, hoping to lure into the gaming world 4-8 year old girls, a previously untouched sector of the gaming population. By luring them in with the HDE, they hope to have a huge customer base to control as they enter their teenage years. "We might offend some hard core gamers" admits the lead dev. "But with the recession and all, it simply wasn't feasible to make Bioshock 2 a FPS that could stand out among the rest. Still, we hope hardcore gamers will buy the game due to the Bioshock name. And who knows, they might enjoy using the revolutionary HDE". THe HDE boasts the ability to customize nearly any aspect of the dollhouse, from colors, to size, to which dolls live inside. "It's a staggering accomplishment".

HOWS YO GAME GONNA SELL NOW? DONT MESS WITH SW!

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LOL He should come check this place out
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Destructoid asked BioShock 2's creative director what he thought about the long-running online battle for console supremacy.

"There's a cognitive effect known as 'confirmation bias' which leads people to latch onto conclusions that support their preferences and ignore data which doesn't," explains Jordan Thomas. "This leads to wild, unreasoning loyalty to a chosen platform, sports team, or brand of soda.

"From a development perspective, the console wars are a bit silly; our target is consistency, and it's always kind of sad to see people throwing their energy into "platform partisanship", because it seems to flood the critical channels and drown out other creative discourse."

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hassanfadil
that's a great quote...i don't understand why folks here get so wound up about a console preference.
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Destructoid asked BioShock 2's creative director what he thought about the long-running online battle for console supremacy.

"There's a cognitive effect known as 'confirmation bias' which leads people to latch onto conclusions that support their preferences and ignore data which doesn't," explains Jordan Thomas. "This leads to wild, unreasoning loyalty to a chosen platform, sports team, or brand of soda.

"From a development perspective, the console wars are a bit silly; our target is consistency, and it's always kind of sad to see people throwing their energy into "platform partisanship", because it seems to flood the critical channels and drown out other creative discourse."

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hassanfadil

i think fanboyism is a weakness not a "strength", it limits your view on everything and what doesn't get limited gets blown out of proportion

btw fanboy doesn't = fan, a fan really likes one thing but can like other things as well, a fanboy only likes one thing and dislikes everything else because it isn't that one thing

but fanboys do make system wars *fun* so they got that going for them

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#18 sensfanVone
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I agree with him, fanboyism is such a negative, close minded people miss out on so many good games just because they have some kind of mental block against another console.

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#19 InsaneBasura
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It should be considered sad and silly from any perspective.
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#20 67gt500
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He's right... I think I'll buy Bioshock 2 for PS3 and xbox360...
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#21 Sky-
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If only he knew what he was missing out on..:P

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#22 Parasomniac
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Everything in the world has fanboys. I bet there's people on the internet that argue if McDonald's or Burger King is better daily.
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#23 AAllxxjjnn
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He only said a BIT silly!
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#24 HermitGTX
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Yes they are silly but the Xbox 360 is the best

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#25 skinny_man_69
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I like him already :) Probably like him more after I play Bioshock 2 :D

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#26 Dystopian-X
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LOL He should come check this place out93soccer
Those were my thoughts exactly lol.
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#27 Odrec
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How dare him!? He just says that because he's not here 24/7 fighting with fanboys!
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#28 Odrec
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Everything in the world has fanboys. I bet there's people on the internet that argue if McDonald's or Burger King is better daily.Parasomniac
What's wrong with Burger King McLover?
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#29 CleanNJerk
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Nice quote. It's so true.
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#30 CleanNJerk
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[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]Everything in the world has fanboys. I bet there's people on the internet that argue if McDonald's or Burger King is better daily.Odrec
What's wrong with Burger King McLover?

BURGER KING FTW
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#31 Odrec
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[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="Parasomniac"]Everything in the world has fanboys. I bet there's people on the internet that argue if McDonald's or Burger King is better daily.CleanNJerk
What's wrong with Burger King McLover?

BURGER KING FTW

You got that right. These McLovers think they know what a real burger looks like LMAO.
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#32 Supabul
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He's right, even IGN are getting sick of Fanboys ruining their boards and have attacked them with some funny topic's, like the Mass Effect 2 vs Uncharted 2.

As soon as Mass Effect 2 review went up Sony Fanboys where all over the boards asking how it scored better than Uncharted 2 and generally trying there best toruin it for the 360 users

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#33 silentkill62696
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Indeed, fanboyism is silly,....

unless u own a wii :|.

jk, maybe only a little though, i only wish i could play metroid prime 3 and whenever the new zelda comes out :(.

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#34 ActicEdge
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When you make multiplats this is a very predictable response.

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#35 MondeEdlu
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except that not everyone makes multiplats. so a console war can actually be used to derive which console has the games you want. I think hes a bit silly thinking all platforms are exactly the same.

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#36 GreenGoblin2099
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I'm sorry but what does he know about SW??? Has he ever been here?? THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!! :evil:

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#37 BPoole96
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Pff, the only thing thats "a bit silly" is the Bioshock 2's Creative Director's view on the console war

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#38 enterawesome
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Oh no he didn't! Meh, System Wars is still really fun.
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#39 Epoq
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I agree with him completely but unfortunately wise statements can't cure stupidity.

Exhibit A:

Pff, the only thing thats "a bit silly" is the Bioshock 2's Creative Director's view on the console war

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And life goes on.

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#40 DonPerian
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I concur with Mr. Thomas.
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#41 gamecubepad
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I think SW is good, clean fun. Nothing wrong with that.

Although, I agree that other sites have their fair share of extreme fanaticism that comes off as "a bit silly".