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#1  Edited By beganoo
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Sorry if someone posted already. Saw nothing on the first page.

Anyway yeah, its nice to be right.

They destroyed the awesome original bioshock universe with the garbage multiverse plot of infinite and people are finally starting to see this.No surprise.

Never has hype fooled so many gamers but infinte is slowly but surely getting exposed for the turd it really is.

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#2 mtradr43
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Cant wait for next gen, I imagine gamespot will keep up with the underscoring games route by giving all games 6s or 7s instead of 8s. Whatever needs to be done for traffic I guess.

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#4 ghostwarrior786
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i couldnt care less, im buying it anyway. i never pay any attention to reviews

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#5 Heil68
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Well I got the season pass, so I get to play it anyways.

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#6 AtariKidX
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@beganoo: I agree.I hope Bioshock 3 it will be better on PS4/XBone and something like Bioshock 1 and 2.

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#7 Giancar
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Spoilers TC, spoilers.

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#8 Senor_Kami
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That's rough. At first I thought this was from the guy that hated BSI but it wasn't.

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#9 beganoo
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@Giancar said:

Spoilers TC, spoilers.

1.Its been like 7-8 months

2. you learn about it like at 1/3 in to the game.

3. Why would you care about the dlc and read this if you havent played the game.

4.Plot is crap.No one should care.

I call fair game.Its very minor spoilers.

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#10 NameIess_One
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That's harsh... but still, I enjoyed Infinite, so I'll play it. But will wait for the part 2 to get released first, not a fan of DLC cliffhangers.

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#11 Nightflash28
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What's with all the hate towards Infinite lately? I loved the game, played it through twice.

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#12 Bread_or_Decide
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@Nightflash28 said:

What's with all the hate towards Infinite lately? I loved the game, played it through twice.

Me too. 1999 Mode was killer.

Seems like the INFINITE gunplay doesn't fit into the original Bioshock environments. Not surprised as Infinite is the open clouds and rail system and Bioshock is filled with small cramped environments.

I was excited for this DLC. Not sure if it's worth the money though. Throwing Dewitt and Elizabeth into the original Bioshock feels backwards to me. Just to have their INFINITE twist make more sense.

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#13 starjet905
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@beganoo said:

@Giancar said:

Spoilers TC, spoilers.

1.Its been like 7-8 months

2. you learn about it like at 1/3 in to the game.

3. Why would you care about the dlc and read this if you havent played the game.

4.Plot is crap.No one should care.

I call fair game.Its very minor spoilers.

Not up to you to decide what's a spoiler and what's not. Using a spoiler block is not a hard thing to do.

That said, I agree that the plot is crap. Throw a multiverse and some big tweeest at the end, and everyone will rave about how good it is. Maybe people are just not exposed to this kind of stories, so they just eat it up, logical fallacies and all.

For example:

Paradox issues with time travel aside, if Booker was killed before he faced the baptism, both the Booker that accepted it and the Booker that refused it should be dead. To kill only Comstock, they must go to where the multiverse branches after the baptism and then kill the Booker that accepted the baptism. But this is not how it happened.

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#14 Lulu_Lulu
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Wheres the review ?

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#15  Edited By II_Seraphim_II
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Love how TC throws spoilers around without spoiler tags lol.

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#16 beganoo
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@starjet905 said:

@beganoo said:

@Giancar said:

Spoilers TC, spoilers.

1.Its been like 7-8 months

2. you learn about it like at 1/3 in to the game.

3. Why would you care about the dlc and read this if you havent played the game.

4.Plot is crap.No one should care.

I call fair game.Its very minor spoilers.

Not up to you to decide what's a spoiler and what's not. Using a spoiler block is not a hard thing to do.

That said, I agree that the plot is crap. Throw a multiverse and some big tweeest at the end, and everyone will rave about how good it is. Maybe people are just not exposed to this kind of stories, so they just eat it up, logical fallacies and all.

For example:

Paradox issues with time travel aside, if Booker was killed before he faced the baptism, both the Booker that accepted it and the Booker that refused it should be dead. To kill only Comstock, they must go to where the multiverse branches after the baptism and then kill the Booker that accepted the baptism. But this is not how it happened.

Its in the freaking review aswell.

To quote VanOrd in the end he writes :

"BioShock Infinite's ending implied an endless multiverse of possibilities. Infinite men. Infinite worlds. Infinite stories of oppression, self-discovery, and redemption to tell."

Should he use spoliers tag aswell?

I really hate wen people are being anal about stupid shit. Its an minor spoiler.No one gives a a crap. Just shut up about it bro.

I give you props for the plothole tho.its a good one.

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#17 gameofthering
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Didn't know it was being released tomorrow. Gives me something to play.

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#18 Bread_or_Decide
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Okay...why enter a thread about DLC for a game if you're worried about Spoilers? Heck, the DLC itself, just the title or a pic already spoils a big part of Infinite's ending. So....I really don't know what you guy want.

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#19 Basinboy
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@starjet905 said:

@beganoo said:

@Giancar said:

Spoilers TC, spoilers.

1.Its been like 7-8 months

2. you learn about it like at 1/3 in to the game.

3. Why would you care about the dlc and read this if you havent played the game.

4.Plot is crap.No one should care.

I call fair game.Its very minor spoilers.

Not up to you to decide what's a spoiler and what's not. Using a spoiler block is not a hard thing to do.

That said, I agree that the plot is crap. Throw a multiverse and some big tweeest at the end, and everyone will rave about how good it is. Maybe people are just not exposed to this kind of stories, so they just eat it up, logical fallacies and all.

For example:

Paradox issues with time travel aside, if Booker was killed before he faced the baptism, both the Booker that accepted it and the Booker that refused it should be dead. To kill only Comstock, they must go to where the multiverse branches after the baptism and then kill the Booker that accepted the baptism. But this is not how it happened.

By taking the course of action you've outlined, you have exactly the scenario that occurs when Booker drowns Comstock in the basin. Just because he is dead at one point in that reality doesn't mean you've killed all instances of him in every reality or prevent his existence. The only way in which to accomplish that is to prevent Comstock from ever existing, thus killing him prior to the baptism. And you're right, doing so would kill both the Booker that derives out of the baptismal choice as well as Comstock (but a pre-baptismal version of Booker still exists). Both die along with Elizabeth since she is a byproduct of the post-denied-baptism Booker (hence why all the versions of her fade away one by one).

Can't speak for BAS DLC and how it unravels the universe (which it very well might), but after extensive discussion about the game I've managed to reconcile many of the supposed "plotholes." It's not entirely a sound ship, but the bulk of its fiction is consistent with the rules of its universe.

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#20 starjet905
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@Basinboy said:

@starjet905 said:

@beganoo said:

@Giancar said:

Spoilers TC, spoilers.

1.Its been like 7-8 months

2. you learn about it like at 1/3 in to the game.

3. Why would you care about the dlc and read this if you havent played the game.

4.Plot is crap.No one should care.

I call fair game.Its very minor spoilers.

Not up to you to decide what's a spoiler and what's not. Using a spoiler block is not a hard thing to do.

That said, I agree that the plot is crap. Throw a multiverse and some big tweeest at the end, and everyone will rave about how good it is. Maybe people are just not exposed to this kind of stories, so they just eat it up, logical fallacies and all.

For example:

Paradox issues with time travel aside, if Booker was killed before he faced the baptism, both the Booker that accepted it and the Booker that refused it should be dead. To kill only Comstock, they must go to where the multiverse branches after the baptism and then kill the Booker that accepted the baptism. But this is not how it happened.

By taking the course of action you've outlined, you have exactly the scenario that occurs when Booker drowns Comstock in the basin. Just because he is dead at one point in that reality doesn't mean you've killed all instances of him in every reality or prevent his existence. The only way in which to accomplish that is to prevent Comstock from ever existing, thus killing him prior to the baptism. And you're right, doing so would kill both the Booker that derives out of the baptismal choice as well as Comstock (but a pre-baptismal version of Booker still exists). Both die along with Elizabeth since she is a byproduct of the post-denied-baptism Booker (hence why all the versions of her fade away one by one).

Can't speak for BAS DLC and how it unravels the universe (which it very well might), but after extensive discussion about the game I've managed to reconcile many of the supposed "plotholes." It's not entirely a sound ship, but the bulk of its fiction is consistent with the rules of its universe.

At the end, we see a Booker (presumably) with his daughter. But he had his daughter after the baptism. Unless we are to assume that she is not Elizabeth (forgot her original name, sorry), but some other child that he had without ever facing the choice of the baptism, that means some Booker in some universe did face the baptism. Which means many more Comstocks can still exist.

Basically, it goes to shit when you throw in the multiverse. Anything is possible, so any hole can be covered up with "oh, that is in another universe" or something similar.

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#21 Lulu_Lulu
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Was I right ? Is this Infinite's crappy gameplay in Rapture ?

Is Burial At Sea just Columbia back underwater ? Speak damnit !

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#22 Basinboy
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@starjet905 said:

@Basinboy said:

@starjet905 said:

@beganoo said:

@Giancar said:

Spoilers TC, spoilers.

1.Its been like 7-8 months

2. you learn about it like at 1/3 in to the game.

3. Why would you care about the dlc and read this if you havent played the game.

4.Plot is crap.No one should care.

I call fair game.Its very minor spoilers.

Not up to you to decide what's a spoiler and what's not. Using a spoiler block is not a hard thing to do.

That said, I agree that the plot is crap. Throw a multiverse and some big tweeest at the end, and everyone will rave about how good it is. Maybe people are just not exposed to this kind of stories, so they just eat it up, logical fallacies and all.

For example:

Paradox issues with time travel aside, if Booker was killed before he faced the baptism, both the Booker that accepted it and the Booker that refused it should be dead. To kill only Comstock, they must go to where the multiverse branches after the baptism and then kill the Booker that accepted the baptism. But this is not how it happened.

By taking the course of action you've outlined, you have exactly the scenario that occurs when Booker drowns Comstock in the basin. Just because he is dead at one point in that reality doesn't mean you've killed all instances of him in every reality or prevent his existence. The only way in which to accomplish that is to prevent Comstock from ever existing, thus killing him prior to the baptism. And you're right, doing so would kill both the Booker that derives out of the baptismal choice as well as Comstock (but a pre-baptismal version of Booker still exists). Both die along with Elizabeth since she is a byproduct of the post-denied-baptism Booker (hence why all the versions of her fade away one by one).

Can't speak for BAS DLC and how it unravels the universe (which it very well might), but after extensive discussion about the game I've managed to reconcile many of the supposed "plotholes." It's not entirely a sound ship, but the bulk of its fiction is consistent with the rules of its universe.

At the end, we see a Booker (presumably) with his daughter. But he had his daughter after the baptism. Unless we are to assume that she is not Elizabeth (forgot her original name, sorry), but some other child that he had without ever facing the choice of the baptism, that means some Booker in some universe did face the baptism. Which means many more Comstocks can still exist.

Basically, it goes to shit when you throw in the multiverse. Anything is possible, so any hole can be covered up with "oh, that is in another universe" or something similar.

Are you referencing the post-credits ending when Booker enters the bedroom beside his office? Because technically, we have no idea if there is a baby or not. The insinuation is that there is a child there, but you never see it (you hear noises and see the crib but that itself is insufficient). Even if there is a child, the calendar on Booker's desk shows the date Oct. 8, 1893, which is the same date when Robert Lutece arrives to take the child from Booker in the original plot (meaning Booker had to have been baptized prior to Oct. 8, 1893).

Seeing Booker at the end of the game is not an indication that we are continuing the same timeline, but, more likely, we are getting a glimpse of an episode of the post-baptism Booker either within the original timeline or one of the infinite variations of Booker that may exist within the multiverse. There may very well be universes in which Booker doesn't turn over his daughter to Comstock, creating a whole different subset of existences and possible storylines. But regardless, when you think of time as a linear progression, if a choice is altered in the founding reality that renders the existence of the consequential multiverse impossible, it doesn't exist. But getting a glimpse at the "theoretical" instances within an "impossible scenario" isn't an innate contradiction of the rules established by Infinite's universe.

Also, Elizabeth is the name Comstock gave his child (presumably) - Anna is the name Booker gave his.

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#23  Edited By StrongBlackVine
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I sold my copy a while ago. Will watch on Youtube. Overrated game.