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#1 -Maddog-
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BioShock has finally been released to universal praise, most calling it the game of the year, and that can only mean one thing: it's time for Mr. Cynic to rain on the parade and set the record straight.

Have Wrench, Will Travel

At first I was getting in to the whole idea of finding different weapons and modifying them until it eventually dawned on me that I was wasting my time. The wrench is simply more effective at dealing out death than any other weapon in the game, more so if you pump up your wrench buffs. Considering the mutated mobs in BioShock relish running around like the cast of Cirque du Soleil, they make for hard targets to hit when using a projectile weapon but they fold like a cheap suit when hit with a plumbing tool. You could, if you wanted, run through the entire game with nothing more than a wrench. It's superior at taking out turrets, bashing in security cameras and caving in craniums, more so than any shotgun, crossbow, pistol, rocket or grenade launcher. If only the main character looked like Mario then the circle would be complete.

Welcome to Paradise, Here's Your Weapon

So Ayn Rand, oops, Andrew Ryan creates an underwater utopia for the great minds of earth to call home and for some inexplicable reason outfits every room with a vending machine the sells ammunition. Does no one else besides me find that a rather idiotic concept? This is supposed to be paradise, a safe-haven, and yet everyone is armed? What happened to just selling mini-bags of Cheetos and bite-sized Snickers that should invariably get caught on a metal spring during its descent to the tray? Do I even need to mention that it probably isn't wise to arm your populace with rocket launchers and grenades in an UNDERWATER world, let alone shower them with infinite amounts of ammunition.? These ideas come from the great minds of humanity?

Glorified Disneyland Ride

BioShock is a very linear game, more than Mr. Cynic enjoys, with huge amounts of hand-holding that ultimately make it noob friendly, but a rather simplistic adventure game for veterans. I mean, they even use an arrow that always points you in the right direction, rendering the sense of exploration and the possibility of getting lost a moot point. Worse, BioShock just feels like a Disneyland ride, something like Twilight Zone and Haunted Mansion rolled in to one. Every room reveals a new set-piece where a story is told through prop placement, though at least you can hop off the ride and roam around a bit. While I do admire the artistic merit of what BioShock has accomplished, I can't help but feel the game is just an excuse to show off sets.

BioShock is a Midget Simulator

Yes, I said "midget", cause if I said "dwarf" you might think I'm talking about Lord of the Rings, and Mr. Cynic doesn't use the term "little person", as I'm neither political nor correct. I'm sticking with midget. I must give BioShock credit for making your character a midget, though I'm noticing a lot of FPS games lately have been doing the same thing, no doubt the result of a powerful midget lobbying group trying to get equal time in the industry. I mean, is it just me or do you feel 3' tall in this game? I've lost track of how many times I've checked to see if I'm still in crouch-mode only to discover that, no, I'm standing fully erect, I'm just 3' tall. It really hits home when you reach the Arcadia zone and you see a slot machine towering over you and you'd literally have to trampoline upwards just to grab the arm. Either that or the citizens of Rapture average about 9' in height.

Contradictory Gameplay

The biggest problem with BioShock is that dying has no impact on the game whatsoever, and this renders the "survival" aspect pointless. At first you might find yourself buying in to the concept that there's a finite amount of ammo and health to be found in Rapture so you had better plan your engagements wisely, lest you run out of one or the other. Unfortunately, if you happen to die then you'll just be reborn at a Vita-Chamber and whatever killed you will continue to lurk about with reduced health, meaning all you have to do is run back and continue wailing on it with your wrench without even bothering with a weapon or using health packs. Why spend precious health packs or use rockets when you can bash in a Big Daddy after three or four attempts with zero penalty? This totally obliterates the feel BioShock was going for. Do I even need to wonder why only your character is reborn at a Vita-Chamber, but the countless masses you slaughter in this game don't seem to have the same luxury?

Yeah, yeah, yeah...BioShock looks amazing. It's an artistic achievement. It has good acting...some good writing. But it's no revolution for gameplay and in many respects, a leap backwards, thanks to a few ill-conceived and nonsensical concepts that render the entire experience shallow and simple. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go play a real man's game: Space Giraffe!

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#2 BioShockOwnz
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:? The person who wrote that is clueless. He obviously doesn't enjoy any kind of game with that kind of imagination.
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#3 VACASCULIADAS
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that person is a sonyfanboy crying cuz ps3 didn't got bioshock.
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#4 whoisryanmack
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Not bad, but I will say the life thing is probably done so everyone will get to enjoy the story rather than worry constantly about how they're going to beat that next big daddy. The pretty scenery fits in there too.

I can't really explain the wrench or midget phenomena though.

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#5 sensesxfail
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i think the vita chamber did make it a little to easy. but i could see it getting REALLY hard if you had to kill a big daddy all the way with out dying once during the last part of the game. their health seems to be a lot higher than the begining.
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#6 Stall0wn3d
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:? The person who wrote that is clueless. He obviously doesn't enjoy any kind of game with that kind of imagination.BioShockOwnz
"BioShock looks amazing. It's an artistic achievement. It has good acting...some good writing."

you didnt even read it did you :? you just saw that he was bashing the game and you had to let it rip right? anyways he makes some points, in gameplay its nothing special i mean it has spawn triggers FFS, but the atmosphere is amazing. i cant wait for the mods to come out. the dude is just being a cynic like he says
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Even though I don't agree with this review, it's still well written and funny.

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Even the most prime games of all time have had idiot doubters such as this. Don't worry, whoever wrote that will be looked down upon and laughed at 10 years from now when BioShock is still remembered for wha it's done. Let's put it this way, this guy in the 40's would be critisizing Frank Sinatra's musical work. :?
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#9 Wemhim256
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I enjoyed the game a lot, playing it again, plus, the whole reviving thing was good than me. I found the game to be an artistic film like experience, not a, "Yo dis iz leik rate hard, use teh 133T skills with ur hedshots". That's not to say a challenge is bad, but some artisticly driven gameplay is something you find about once a generation. It's better than 80 percen of the other FPS' out there with, "You have lots of ammo, shoot guys, and they die, and the story is about a special forces group fighting terrorists or some other stupid overused cliche, because that's cool".
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#10 Wemhim256
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Even the most prime games of all time have had idiot doubters such as this. Don't worry, whoever wrote that will be looked down upon and laughed at 10 years from now when BioShock is still remembered for wha it's done. Let's put it this way, this guy in the 40's would be critisizing Frank Sinatra's musical work. :?DA_B0MB
What's with the face thing, Frank Sinatra was a good musician...
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While i dont agree with what you say i'll defend to the death your right to say it

that is all

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#12 PBSnipes
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The guy has some points, but most of them are just stupid. As for the vending machines, not only should someone hit this guy with a brick with "artistic license" engraved in it, but had he payed attention to the story he'd know that Rapture is a pure capitalistic society, if people want guns, they get guns. As for the Vita Chambers, again this guy needs to be beaten over the head with something, possibly a wrench, while the attacker is screaming "ARTISTIC LICENSE! ARTISTIC LICENSE!". Aslo he should try and take down a Big Daddy on hard, especially at the beginning of the game with only the weakest ammo and plasmids/tonics. You're going to die. Alot.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:? The person who wrote that is clueless. He obviously doesn't enjoy any kind of game with that kind of imagination.Stall0wn3d
"BioShock looks amazing. It's an artistic achievement. It has good acting...some good writing."

you didnt even read it did you :? you just saw that he was bashing the game and you had to let it rip right? anyways he makes some points, in gameplay its nothing special i mean it has spawn triggers FFS, but the atmosphere is amazing. i cant wait for the mods to come out. the dude is just being a cynic like he says

Nope, I read it and I still stand by my first post.

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BioShock has finally been released to universal praise, most calling it the game of the year, and that can only mean one thing: it's time for Mr. Cynic to rain on the parade and set the record straight.

Have Wrench, Will Travel

At first I was getting in to the whole idea of finding different weapons and modifying them until it eventually dawned on me that I was wasting my time. The wrench is simply more effective at dealing out death than any other weapon in the game, more so if you pump up your wrench buffs. Considering the mutated mobs in BioShock relish running around like the cast of Cirque du Soleil, they make for hard targets to hit when using a projectile weapon but they fold like a cheap suit when hit with a plumbing tool. You could, if you wanted, run through the entire game with nothing more than a wrench. It's superior at taking out turrets, bashing in security cameras and caving in craniums, more so than any shotgun, crossbow, pistol, rocket or grenade launcher. If only the main character looked like Mario then the circle would be complete.

Welcome to Paradise, Here's Your Weapon

So Ayn Rand, oops, Andrew Ryan creates an underwater utopia for the great minds of earth to call home and for some inexplicable reason outfits every room with a vending machine the sells ammunition. Does no one else besides me find that a rather idiotic concept? This is supposed to be paradise, a safe-haven, and yet everyone is armed? What happened to just selling mini-bags of Cheetos and bite-sized Snickers that should invariably get caught on a metal spring during its descent to the tray? Do I even need to mention that it probably isn't wise to arm your populace with rocket launchers and grenades in an UNDERWATER world, let alone shower them with infinite amounts of ammunition.? These ideas come from the great minds of humanity?

Glorified Disneyland Ride

BioShock is a very linear game, more than Mr. Cynic enjoys, with huge amounts of hand-holding that ultimately make it noob friendly, but a rather simplistic adventure game for veterans. I mean, they even use an arrow that always points you in the right direction, rendering the sense of exploration and the possibility of getting lost a moot point. Worse, BioShock just feels like a Disneyland ride, something like Twilight Zone and Haunted Mansion rolled in to one. Every room reveals a new set-piece where a story is told through prop placement, though at least you can hop off the ride and roam around a bit. While I do admire the artistic merit of what BioShock has accomplished, I can't help but feel the game is just an excuse to show off sets.

BioShock is a Midget Simulator

Yes, I said "midget", cause if I said "dwarf" you might think I'm talking about Lord of the Rings, and Mr. Cynic doesn't use the term "little person", as I'm neither political nor correct. I'm sticking with midget. I must give BioShock credit for making your character a midget, though I'm noticing a lot of FPS games lately have been doing the same thing, no doubt the result of a powerful midget lobbying group trying to get equal time in the industry. I mean, is it just me or do you feel 3' tall in this game? I've lost track of how many times I've checked to see if I'm still in crouch-mode only to discover that, no, I'm standing fully erect, I'm just 3' tall. It really hits home when you reach the Arcadia zone and you see a slot machine towering over you and you'd literally have to trampoline upwards just to grab the arm. Either that or the citizens of Rapture average about 9' in height.

Contradictory Gameplay

The biggest problem with BioShock is that dying has no impact on the game whatsoever, and this renders the "survival" aspect pointless. At first you might find yourself buying in to the concept that there's a finite amount of ammo and health to be found in Rapture so you had better plan your engagements wisely, lest you run out of one or the other. Unfortunately, if you happen to die then you'll just be reborn at a Vita-Chamber and whatever killed you will continue to lurk about with reduced health, meaning all you have to do is run back and continue wailing on it with your wrench without even bothering with a weapon or using health packs. Why spend precious health packs or use rockets when you can bash in a Big Daddy after three or four attempts with zero penalty? This totally obliterates the feel BioShock was going for. Do I even need to wonder why only your character is reborn at a Vita-Chamber, but the countless masses you slaughter in this game don't seem to have the same luxury?

Yeah, yeah, yeah...BioShock looks amazing. It's an artistic achievement. It has good acting...some good writing. But it's no revolution for gameplay and in many respects, a leap backwards, thanks to a few ill-conceived and nonsensical concepts that render the entire experience shallow and simple. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go play a real man's game: Space Giraffe!

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Only thing i will agree on is that the Vita-chamber was a stupid idea should have been more of a penalty for death =/. And yeah the follow this arrow was gay too.

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#15 Bill_McBlumpkin
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SNIP-Maddog-

What is your tag?!?

I'd be willing to bet you haven't played much of the game.

It is frigging stunning, amazing. One of the best games in years. I sorry ot let you down, but one jackass's opinion who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about doesn't make it so.

So, what is your tag?

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#16 Corvin
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Sounds like someone is grumpy wumpy about Bioshock.

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#17 Bill_McBlumpkin
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And yeah the follow this arrow was gay too.00Raziel00

Turning off the arrow (yes, on 360 even - you could even turn off Autoaim, all of it, on 360,) was right there in the main Options menu. Most people who were familiar enough with the genre knew to turn off auto aim, adaptive training, and quest arrows right away.

It just takes about 2 seconds worth of looking in the menu.... honestly...

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#18 Immortal_Evil
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I read the first point and stopped, as it is not true. Rest? probably garbage aswell haha.
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:? The person who wrote that is clueless. He obviously doesn't enjoy any kind of game with that kind of imagination.BioShockOwnz

I agree. I love the fact he has issue you can buy ammo in the game. All FPS have "systems of delivery" for the ammo. Bioshock chose vending machines that you can hack. Wow? Are you for real? Before you get so worked up about this, why not ask yourself who changes the lights on the outside of the bldgs? I mean it is 4 miles below sea level. The pressure would be unreal. :roll:

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riiiiiight...

the writer is insane.

shooting mutants in the head just screams "Disney"...:roll:

he's just looking fora reason to hate....

you could dissect ANY game....geez....

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:? The person who wrote that is clueless. He obviously doesn't enjoy any kind of game with that kind of imagination.dhjohns

I agree. I love the fact he has issue you can buy ammo in the game. All FPS have "systems of delivery" for the ammo. Bioshock chose vending machines that you can hack. Wow? Are you for real? Before you get so worked up about this, why not ask yourself who changes the lights on the outside of the bldgs? I mean it is 4 miles below sea level. The pressure would be unreal. :roll:

Big Daddies did it, they can do anything :)

Well, the Bouncer ones. The Big Daddies called Rosie really pissed me off, not fun to fight at all.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:? The person who wrote that is clueless. He obviously doesn't enjoy any kind of game with that kind of imagination.dhjohns

I agree. I love the fact he has issue you can buy ammo in the game. All FPS have "systems of delivery" for the ammo. Bioshock chose vending machines that you can hack. Wow? Are you for real? Before you get so worked up about this, why not ask yourself who changes the lights on the outside of the bldgs? I mean it is 4 miles below sea level. The pressure would be unreal. :roll:

they can build an entire city underwater but can't change a light bulb...?

c'mon... :roll:

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[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:? The person who wrote that is clueless. He obviously doesn't enjoy any kind of game with that kind of imagination.tango90101

I agree. I love the fact he has issue you can buy ammo in the game. All FPS have "systems of delivery" for the ammo. Bioshock chose vending machines that you can hack. Wow? Are you for real? Before you get so worked up about this, why not ask yourself who changes the lights on the outside of the bldgs? I mean it is 4 miles below sea level. The pressure would be unreal. :roll:

they can build an entire city underwater but can't change a light bulb...?

c'mon... :roll:

I know, it was a joke to point out how silly TC is. Bioshock takes place in a huge skyscraper city 4 miles below the sea, yet TC is hung up on vending machines. :lol:

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Sounds interesting. It's nice to hear a little criticism for every game, even if the guy does go a littleoverboard. From the reviews, I don't think it deserves the scores it's been getting, but if I was that concerned I'd start my own game review site. Then again, by the reviewers name, he's just got to be a ball buster.
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[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]:? The person who wrote that is clueless. He obviously doesn't enjoy any kind of game with that kind of imagination.dhjohns

I agree. I love the fact he has issue you can buy ammo in the game. All FPS have "systems of delivery" for the ammo. Bioshock chose vending machines that you can hack. Wow? Are you for real? Before you get so worked up about this, why not ask yourself who changes the lights on the outside of the bldgs? I mean it is 4 miles below sea level. The pressure would be unreal. :roll:

they can build an entire city underwater but can't change a light bulb...?

c'mon... :roll:

I know, it was a joke to point out how silly TC is. Bioshock takes place in a huge skyscraper city 4 miles below the sea, yet TC is hung up on vending machines. :lol:

oops...my mistake. i thought you were being serious...:lol:

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"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

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"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

SpruceCaboose

LETS JUST END THIS THREAD THERE SHALL WE PEOPLE LOL :P

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"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

SpruceCaboose

Well, to be fair 9 of those are xbox sites or magazines. 3 of which gave perfect scores. So, we can be sure that, at least with most of them, that did have some contributing factor.

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Bioshock easily deserves every bit of praise it has recieved, warts and all.

But yeah I have to admit that it's fun to crap all over something the general public likes just so you can soothe your ego and make it look like you are some kind of intellectual with superior taste.

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#30 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

TimeToPartyHard

Well, to be fair 9 of those are xbox sites or magazines. 3 of which gave perfect scores. So, we can be sure that, at least with most of them, that did have some contributing factor.

And to be fair, OPM and PS mags count towards Playstation games. Very few sites are actually biased, and if they are proven to be biased, they are removed from GameRankings.

Play gives more high scores than does OXM and most other Xbox sites, and Play's reviews were being touted by PS3 fans for Lair (might have been HS), so its not really fair to discredit a review by the sites name alone.

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"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

SpruceCaboose
Go check out the reviews at Metacritic which gathers reviews from multiple sources also, the last time I checked over half the scores were perfect and the lowest score it recieved was from Gamespot.
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[QUOTE="TimeToPartyHard"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

SpruceCaboose

Well, to be fair 9 of those are xbox sites or magazines. 3 of which gave perfect scores. So, we can be sure that, at least with most of them, that did have some contributing factor.

And to be fair, OPM and PS mags count towards Playstation games. Very few sites are actually biased, and if they are proven to be biased, they are removed from GameRankings.

Play gives more high scores than does OXM and most other Xbox sites, and Play's reviews were being touted by PS3 fans for Lair (might have been HS), so its not really fair to discredit a review by the sites name alone.

Well PSM gave Lair a 5 and Warhawk a 6.5 but I never count those because Playstation magazine is so biased against the Playstation.
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#33 TimeToPartyHard
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[QUOTE="TimeToPartyHard"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

SpruceCaboose

Well, to be fair 9 of those are xbox sites or magazines. 3 of which gave perfect scores. So, we can be sure that, at least with most of them, that did have some contributing factor.

And to be fair, OPM and PS mags count towards Playstation games. Very few sites are actually biased, and if they are proven to be biased, they are removed from GameRankings.

Play gives more high scores than does OXM and most other Xbox sites, and Play's reviews were being touted by PS3 fans for Lair (might have been HS), so its not really fair to discredit a review by the sites name alone.

I don't mean to discredit them, just bring it to everyone's attention thehigh number of xbox mags or sites that gave it high scores. Even if you took them out, it wouldn't change by much anyway. But, it is still worth mentioning being as how youmentioned 45 reviews over 90%, which is indeed high, but so is 9 of those 45 being opinions of xbox sites. Even so, 36 over 90% is quite a feat.

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I don't mean to discredit them, just bring it to everyone's attention thehigh number of xbox mags or sites that gave it high scores. Even if you took them out, it wouldn't change by much anyway. But, it is still worth mentioning being as how youmentioned 45 reviews over 90%, which is indeed high, but so is 9 of those 45 being opinions of xbox sites. Even so, 36 over 90% is quite a feat.

TimeToPartyHard

Especially when you consider that at GameRankings:

1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time only has 32 reviews

2. Soul Caliber only has 28 reviews

Metroid Prime at 3 had twice the number of BioShock, but the others have less than 36 reviews, and that impresses me. I was not expecting BioShock to be anywhere near as good as it is. I would have hyped it high AA...how wrong I was, and I am glad for it.

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[QUOTE="TimeToPartyHard"]

I don't mean to discredit them, just bring it to everyone's attention thehigh number of xbox mags or sites that gave it high scores. Even if you took them out, it wouldn't change by much anyway. But, it is still worth mentioning being as how youmentioned 45 reviews over 90%, which is indeed high, but so is 9 of those 45 being opinions of xbox sites. Even so, 36 over 90% is quite a feat.

SpruceCaboose

Especially when you consider that at GameRankings:

1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time only has 32 reviews

2. Soul Caliber only has 28 reviews

Metroid Prime at 3 had twice the number of BioShock, but the others have less than 36 reviews, and that impresses me. I was not expecting BioShock to be anywhere near as good as it is. I would have hyped it high AA...how wrong I was, and I am glad for it.

Yeah, the Wii doesn't seem to get much coverage. It seems like some places don't even have a Wii to review games on, or just don't want to. I'm surprised MP3 doesn't have more than 8 reviews up. But you can't please everyone. I'd like to get ahold of one of those 65nm 360s so I could actuallyplay Bioshock, but with how close they are to releasing them I'm just going to have to keep making a longer list of 360 games to buy once I get one.

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Yeah, the Wii doesn't seem to get much coverage. It seems like some places don't even have a Wii to review games on, or just don't want to. I'm surprised MP3 doesn't have more than 8 reviews up. But you can't please everyone. I'd like to get ahold of one of those 65nm 360s so I could actuallyplay Bioshock, but with how close they are to releasing them I'm just going to have to keep making a longer list of 360 games to buy once I get one.

TimeToPartyHard

I don't think you will be dissapointed. The 360 has over 50 games at AA or better here, so getting a decent lineup of games right from the get go shouldn't be hard.

A Wii and 360 seem like a good way to go so far this generation.

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Wow I am amazed that this is the first overated thread I have seen for Bioshock. When GeoW came out half the front page was overrated threads days before it was released. Just proves how great it really is I guess.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

TimeToPartyHard

Well, to be fair 9 of those are xbox sites or magazines. 3 of which gave perfect scores. So, we can be sure that, at least with most of them, that did have some contributing factor.

3/9 = 1/3. 15/45 = 1/3, one xbox site even gave it a 9, 4 gave it a above average score and 5 gave it a below average score. Thats exactly in line with the rest of the sites. I highly doubt it changed the score much at all.

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[QUOTE="TimeToPartyHard"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

"On 8/21 the Xbox 360 received a new game from 2K Games titled BioShock.Since then 45 sites and magazines have reviewed it including Official Xbox Magazine UK, Eurogamer, Game Informer and 1UP.Together their reviews have resulted in an average ratio of 96.2%.That ratio has resulted in this title becoming the 4th best game of all time and the 1st best game on the Xbox 360." GameRankings

No review under 90% out of 45 reviews, with 15 being perfect 100% scores. I would say that person who wrote your article is either sour-graped, is one of the few who really didn't like it, or is one of those people who hate anything popular. Either way, 45 professional reviewers > one random writer.

TOAO_Cyrus1

Well, to be fair 9 of those are xbox sites or magazines. 3 of which gave perfect scores. So, we can be sure that, at least with most of them, that did have some contributing factor.

3/9 = 1/3. 15/45 = 1/3, one xbox site even gave it a 9, 4 gave it a above average score and 5 gave it a below average score. Thats exactly in line with the rest of the sites. I highly doubt it changed the score much at all.

Please read the later posts as well.

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that person is a sonyfanboy crying cuz ps3 didn't got bioshock.VACASCULIADAS
Yup!!!!
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"and Mr. Cynic doesn't use the term "little person", as I'm neither political nor correct."

I laughed and felt that way about his entire post..

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YAY!

THE MAGIC AND HAPPINESS OF DISNEY IN A SINGLE THRILLING RIDE!:|

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I like the game a lot and I don't agree with their score, but all in all, I have to agree that Game Almighty has some very valid points.

I never thought to use the wrench that much in the game, so I really can't comment on the first one.

The weaponry part could have been handled better. I like the weapons in Bioshock, and I think they look awesome when powered up, but yeah... Why is Rapture awash in guns? Maybe they started bringing in weapons after the splicers went crazy, or the smugglers brought them in, or something. But the game never tells you. It's just, "Take this rocket launcher and blow **** up." Perhaps it would have been less of a jarring thing if you had to create your own weapons, or the game at least explained why they were so readily available.

I also didn't like how linear the game is. Not linear in the sense of levels, but linear in the sense of once you were done with an area, there really wasn't any reason to go back. The game doesn't have defined levels, but it might as well have. Aside from a few parts around the middle where you had to go from one area to another and back, it very much leads you by the nose. Some people don't like backtracking, and for them this might not be such an issue.

The whole lack of any kind of penalty for dying makes the game too easy. There were points where doing a specific action would trigger an enemy showing up (like searching all those hives) and instead of being worried, or even concerned about it, I just got annoyed. There wasn't any reason to be afraid of running out of health. It made the sense of suspense wear off very quickly. Instead of having you just automatically regenerate, the chambers should have functioned more like a normal save point, IMHO. IE if you get your ass handed to you, you have to reload from the last save. Yes, that's kind of annoying in PC games, but I do think it would have been better than absolutely no penalty for death. Or maybe have the game keep track of how many times you die and give a reward for not dying, like a special ending or unlockables, or SOMETHING.

I'm hopeful that some of the issues that I mentioned can be fixed with user mods in the PC version at least.

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I hate to say it, but I actually agree with those points.
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That came off as being satirical. Kinda like The Onion. Takes small issues and blows them up to astronomical proportions. Considering the author's name is Mr. Cynic, that makes sense. "Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go play a real man's game: Space Giraffe!" That says it all.

I think the article wasn't meant to be taken seriously. It was just entertainment.

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I read the first point and stopped, as it is not true. Rest? probably garbage aswell haha.Immortal_Evil


That is the thing that seperates fanboys from the others...


As for the review.... That is the way people should express opinions, finding actual bad suff in the game rather then just go "probably garbage" I cant tell wether the review is right or wrong, because i havent played the game, but the review was interesting.....
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I like the game a lot and I don't agree with their score, but all in all, I have to agree that Game Almighty has some very valid points.

I never thought to use the wrench that much in the game, so I really can't comment on the first one.

The weaponry part could have been handled better. I like the weapons in Bioshock, and I think they look awesome when powered up, but yeah... Why is Rapture awash in guns? Maybe they started bringing in weapons after the splicers went crazy, or the smugglers brought them in, or something. But the game never tells you. It's just, "Take this rocket launcher and blow **** up." Perhaps it would have been less of a jarring thing if you had to create your own weapons, or the game at least explained why they were so readily available.

I also didn't like how linear the game is. Not linear in the sense of levels, but linear in the sense of once you were done with an area, there really wasn't any reason to go back. The game doesn't have defined levels, but it might as well have. Aside from a few parts around the middle where you had to go from one area to another and back, it very much leads you by the nose. Some people don't like backtracking, and for them this might not be such an issue.

The whole lack of any kind of penalty for dying makes the game too easy. There were points where doing a specific action would trigger an enemy showing up (like searching all those hives) and instead of being worried, or even concerned about it, I just got annoyed. There wasn't any reason to be afraid of running out of health. It made the sense of suspense wear off very quickly. Instead of having you just automatically regenerate, the chambers should have functioned more like a normal save point, IMHO. IE if you get your ass handed to you, you have to reload from the last save. Yes, that's kind of annoying in PC games, but I do think it would have been better than absolutely no penalty for death. Or maybe have the game keep track of how many times you die and give a reward for not dying, like a special ending or unlockables, or SOMETHING.

I'm hopeful that some of the issues that I mentioned can be fixed with user mods in the PC version at least.

GrlGmr

I just have to say that your sig is badass.

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i wonder if he did not like bioshock what kind of games he really likes?

tetris??

a true gamer will never say BIOSHOCK sux coz it simply does not ... leave fanboyism for once and b unbiased......but i guess in systemwars thats like asking for world peace !!!!

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If only gamespot could have written stuff like this into the review, a score of 9.0 (or lower) would have been well justified. All your points are pretty much valid as far as I can tell, though I'm not finished with the game yet myself.
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I haven't finished reading yet but

***spoilers alert***

Isn't there some guy that goes down and sells stuff down there like ammo and what not?? I could be wrong, but this is possibly why there is ammo everywhere else. I know the ending involves that very guy, but i am not saying anything more then that, to be safe. ;)