Biowares first turd this year, is SWTOR next?

Its been awhile, Ive loved every Bioware game ive played since KOTOR until now. There first crappy game in a long time and let me explain why its crappy. ME2 got the same "dumbing down" treatment as DAO2 but the combat in ME2 is action, fast paced and very little in the way of "rpg math" is required to have fun, so because of the style of the mechanics in ME2 it worked beautifully. Now what specifically makes DAO fun is tweaking everything about your team, gear, talents etc. Because the way DAO combat works, it runs on math heaavily, and specific sets of gear, trinkets, necklaces, and rings, could be combined with certain builds to make an extremely strong team. It had an "open rpg" feel to customization, and because of the combat style, that specifically was the absolute high point of the game, and building different characters and getting the best in slot gear for those builds was what drove hardcore DAO players like me to play the game fully through over 5 times and buy every drop of content for the game. What they have done is give you the next model of a racecar with a go kart engine in it.

Seeing as they just took there only real modern RPG and turned it into hello kitty island adventure, this has me worried for SWTOR.

Seeing as they just took there only real modern RPG and turned it into hello kitty island adventure, this has me worried for SWTOR.

chrion133

thanks for ur opinion but DA2 isnt a turd

Don't think I needed that much 'RPG math' in Origins...

How is an 8.0 game a turd?

Sheesh. Really?

seriously

why is everyone acting like an 8 is a 4 now its not like this game is a gigantic flop like too human or final fantasy 14.

How is an 8.0 game a turd?

Sheesh. Really?

heretrix

Because when you take the best RPG of the last few years and chop the "rpg" part of the game in half or more, im not confused by the shiny new graphics and animations, I see right through it. Im not like most people here, ive been a gamer for over 20 years, I can clearly see the best part, the core of the game has been completely gutted. How many good rpg's are left? all hope is on Diablo 3 now :(

Ive been playing it, and I enjoy it so far..

Its actually rather challenging on hard, which I changed it to shortly after starting because the combat was too easy on normal, and I wanted to change it up
Now I barely survive all the damn fights >.> (By that I dont mean that I practically wipe every fight, just everyones HP gets dangerously low at times)
I can only imagine Nightmare is beastly hard

seriously

why is everyone acting like an 8 is a 4 now its not like this game is a gigantic flop like too human or final fantasy 14.

shureshot24

they could give it a 1, a 10, a 2, doesnt matter, I played DAO more than gamespot did. I get what makes the game special whether they do or not. I spent over 500 hours playing DAO, building character to solo the game on nightmare, downloading all the mods, and pretty much being completely absolutely engrossed in the game. Im much more of an authority on DAO than any game site that plays a game once, puts a # on it and quickly moves onto the next one. Like I explained in the opening post. THE CORE OF THE GAME, the part that made it enjoyable to play over and over is gone. IT HAS BEEN GUTTED.

seriously

why is everyone acting like an 8 is a 4 now its not like this game is a gigantic flop like too human or final fantasy 14.

shureshot24

[QUOTE="shureshot24"]

seriously

why is everyone acting like an 8 is a 4 now its not like this game is a gigantic flop like too human or final fantasy 14.

chrion133

they could give it a 1, a 10, a 2, doesnt matter, I played DAO more than gamespot did. I get what makes the game special whether they do or not. I spent over 500 hours playing DAO, building character to solo the game on nightmare, downloading all the mods, and pretty much being completely absolutely engrossed in the game. Im much more of an authority on DAO than any game site that plays a game once, puts a # on it and quickly moves onto the next one. Like I explained in the opening post. THE CORE OF THE GAME, the part that made it enjoyable to play over and over is gone. IT HAS BEEN GUTTED.

I have every bit of DAO downloadable content avalible and played it all i have both baldurs gate 1 and 2. I am a huge fan of the series you are taking this way too seriously call it whatever you want but dont come on here and start claiming things like it is a turd sorry you dont like the game. to other people inculding game spot its a good game.

Its still an rpg im not saying its the best rpg on earth and i dont like some of the changes too but its still a good game

[QUOTE="shureshot24"]

seriously

why is everyone acting like an 8 is a 4 now its not like this game is a gigantic flop like too human or final fantasy 14.

MuddVader

I played a lot of ff11 hopfully it is i want to play it really bad but i really dont want to be dissapointed.

Also i heard there is not going to be a ps3 release am i wrong?

DA2 is a good game. Those complaining about it being a "turd" or whatever need to calm down. They streamlined the game, so what? Based on what I've read it seems like an improvement overall. I'm sorry that you guys enjoy pausing combat every .33 seconds but most people don't. You just have to accept this fact.

Make your objection to change felt by not buying the games you dislike & buying those that you do. Devs & publishers listen to the money not whiny **** on internet forums.

[QUOTE="MuddVader"][QUOTE="shureshot24"]

seriously

why is everyone acting like an 8 is a 4 now its not like this game is a gigantic flop like too human or final fantasy 14.

shureshot24

I played a lot of ff11 hopfully it is i want to play it really bad but i really dont want to be dissapointed.

Also i heard there is not going to be a ps3 release am i wrong?

DA2 is a good game. Those complaining about it being a "turd" or whatever need to calm down. They streamlined the game, so what? Based on what I've read it seems like an improvement overall. I'm sorry that you guys enjoy pausing combat every .33 seconds but most people don't. You just have to accept this fact.

Make your objection to change felt by not buying the games you dislike & buying those that you do. Devs & publishers listen to the money not whiny **** on internet forums.

Tezcatlipoca666

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

How is an 8.0 game a turd?

Sheesh. Really?

chrion133

Because when you take the best RPG of the last few years and chop the "rpg" part of the game in half or more, im not confused by the shiny new graphics and animations, I see right through it. Im not like most people here, ive been a gamer for over 20 years, I can clearly see the best part, the core of the game has been completely gutted. How many good rpg's are left? all hope is on Diablo 3 now :(

[QUOTE="shureshot24"]

[QUOTE="MuddVader"] FF14 is getting better. In due time They're getting around to adding quests finally in their super beta. By PS3 release the game should be more than half decent.MuddVader

I played a lot of ff11 hopfully it is i want to play it really bad but i really dont want to be dissapointed.

Also i heard there is not going to be a ps3 release am i wrong?

ya they release the ps3 version in japan but i read somewhere they were not going to release it in america oh well i have a good pc

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

How is an 8.0 game a turd?

Sheesh. Really?

chrion133

Because when you take the best RPG of the last few years and chop the "rpg" part of the game in half or more, im not confused by the shiny new graphics and animations, I see right through it. Im not like most people here, ive been a gamer for over 20 years, I can clearly see the best part, the core of the game has been completely gutted. How many good rpg's are left? all hope is on Diablo 3 now :(

You have skyrim

Witcher 2 in May? Probably be one of the best WRPGs of the gen.dommeus

You have skyrim

shureshot24

Both will most probably be great great games but both are action rpg. We had only one like DA:O and Bioware decided to change it into an action rpg too ****

Somebody got owned in Hello Kitty Adventure Island. ;)

[QUOTE="dommeus"]Witcher 2 in May? Probably be one of the best WRPGs of the gen.edidili

You have skyrim

shureshot24

Both will most probably be great great games but both are action rpg. We had only one like DA:O and Bioware decided to change it into an action rpg too ****

agreed i dont like the way bioware handled DA2 and DA:O was an classic amazing rpg that will go down as one of the best in my opionion. But people like flashy action now thats the way it is i guess.

they could give it a 1, a 10, a 2, doesnt matter, I played DAO more than gamespot did. I get what makes the game special whether they do or not. I spent over 500 hours playing DAO, building character to solo the game on nightmare, downloading all the mods, and pretty much being completely absolutely engrossed in the game. Im much more of an authority on DAO than any game site that plays a game once, puts a # on it and quickly moves onto the next one. Like I explained in the opening post. THE CORE OF THE GAME, the part that made it enjoyable to play over and over is gone. IT HAS BEEN GUTTED.chrion133

That entire post came across as nothing but baseless, self-congratulatory grandstanding. So someone has to spend 500 hours on DOA to have an opinion on DA2? In all honesty I would probably trust the opinion on DA2 of someone who has never played DOA at all but played DA2 to completion over yours.

The earlier post about "having 20 years gaming experience" also comes across as saying "I know better than you, so anything you say is wrong as far as I'm concerned." Right off the bat you shut down any possibility of any genuine debate or conversation regarding this game.

Now I'm not trying to attack you here, but pointing that out is relevant to my next point, and if you wanna go the "gaming experience" route, well I got you beat by 4 years. In the 24 years I've been gaming I've seen reactions like this time and time again. The game isn't what YOU wanted so you consider it a horrible flop of a game. YOU let YOUR preconceptions and expectations of what YOU feel the game SHOULD be blind you from taking the game for what it is.

If you don't like the game for what it is that's fine, nothing wrong with that. But to claim It's trash for that reason, then to go as far as heavily insinuate that anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't know any better is an insult to the gaming community.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

How is an 8.0 game a turd?

Sheesh. Really?

chrion133

Because when you take the best RPG of the last few years and chop the "rpg" part of the game in half or more, im not confused by the shiny new graphics and animations, I see right through it. Im not like most people here, ive been a gamer for over 20 years, I can clearly see the best part, the core of the game has been completely gutted. How many good rpg's are left? all hope is on Diablo 3 now :(

[QUOTE="chrion133"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

How is an 8.0 game a turd?

Sheesh. Really?

dommeus

Because when you take the best RPG of the last few years and chop the "rpg" part of the game in half or more, im not confused by the shiny new graphics and animations, I see right through it. Im not like most people here, ive been a gamer for over 20 years, I can clearly see the best part, the core of the game has been completely gutted. How many good rpg's are left? all hope is on Diablo 3 now :(

If he thinks DA2 is too light on RPG elements, he probably hates the witcher. As the witcher is even more dumbed down.

But then again he thinks diablo 3 will be a good RPG to look forward to... and the diablo series is even less of an RPG and more action oriented than both titles.

This is just a case of hermits looking to blame consoles and being massive hypocrites in the process.

DAO2

chrion133

Dragon Age Origins 2? When did that come out?

Why are you guys even saying, "Since when is an 8 a 4, and 8 is a good score blabla)" The TC isn't talking about reviewer scores, if he didn't like the changes made in DA2 that's his opinion, reviewer scores do not dictate what is good or bad to him.

Wow, how arrogant can people get ?

I still don't understand where the :"Amg combat so much easier, no customization, no talents" comes from. DA2 on nightmare is way harder than DA:O on nightmare, it's the thing DA2 did right, and Origins did wrong. In DA2, easy is easy, normal is normal, hard is hard, nightmare is nightmare. in DA:O... not so much.

What makes you think you can't "tweak your gear, talents and party" ? Leave troll, and never come back.

Why are you guys even saying, "Since when is an 8 a 4, and 8 is a good score blabla)" The TC isn't talking about reviewer scores, if he didn't like the changes made in DA2 that's his opinion, reviewer scores do not dictate what is good or bad to him.

rikimaru93

I didn't like Killzone 2 at all, but I recognized that, although it wasn't for me that does not take away how well put together the game is and that there are far worse games out there.

It's a pity people don't understand that. It's either a flop or it isn't, which is just annoying.

i wouldn't call it a turd, but definetely a dissapointment for anyone who likes old style rpgs.

Its been awhile, Ive loved every Bioware game ive played since KOTOR until now. There first crappy game in a long time and let me explain why its crappy. ME2 got the same "dumbing down" treatment as DAO2 but the combat in ME2 is action, fast paced and very little in the way of "rpg math" is required to have fun, so because of the style of the mechanics in ME2 it worked beautifully. Now what specifically makes DAO fun is tweaking everything about your team, gear, talents etc. Because the way DAO combat works, it runs on math heaavily, and specific sets of gear, trinkets, necklaces, and rings, could be combined with certain builds to make an extremely strong team. It had an "open rpg" feel to customization, and because of the combat style, that specifically was the absolute high point of the game, and building different characters and getting the best in slot gear for those builds was what drove hardcore DAO players like me to play the game fully through over 5 times and buy every drop of content for the game. What they have done is give you the next model of a racecar with a go kart engine in it.

Seeing as they just took there only real modern RPG and turned it into hello kitty island adventure, this has me worried for SWTOR.

chrion133

You still have the options of kitting out your characters, customizing your talents and developing a well rounded group. You go on a long pointless rant without actually justifying your claim that DA2 is 'a turd', nor do you explain why you consider the game 'dumbed down'.

SWTOR does look incredibly dated and boring.