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#1 Wolfetan
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Which one do you like better. Although Ive only played Dragon Age, I heard the storys are all very similar, where has Black Isle has made one the best storys in a game and a very succesful franchise.

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#2 Upparoom
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Black Isle, but they're gone now.

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#3 argetlam00
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Bioware...You can't beat Baldur's Gate...

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#4 Arach666
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Black Isle,and by a lot.
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#5 Yangire
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Black Isle by a lot.

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#6 Vaasman
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I'd say bioware, but only because they've been afloat to make more. I would love to see what kind of stuff Black Isle would make today if they were still around.

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#7 WhenCicadasCry
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Planescape >> Baldurs Gate. :P

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#8 argetlam00
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Planescape >> Baldurs Gate. :P

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Thats your opinion. Not only that, Bioware has produced more awesome games.

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#9 DarkLink77
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Black Isle because BioWare is trying their damndest not to make RPGs anymore.

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#10 Wolfetan
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I'd say bioware, but only because they've been afloat to make more. I would love to see what kind of stuff Black Isle would make today if they were still around.

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I really wish they never disbanded. How many people from Black Isle studios went to obsidian?
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#11 argetlam00
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I'd say bioware, but only because they've been afloat to make more. I would love to see what kind of stuff Black Isle would make today if they were still around.

Vaasman

but they are still around, in the form of Obsidian. Butchering Black Isle's name in their marketing agenda.

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#12 Wolfetan
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Black Isle because BioWare is trying their damndest not to make RPGs anymore.

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This made me laugh. Ive heard that about Mass Effect 2, and then they got rid of the isometric view from DA 2. Hopefully Obsidian can find a good publisher and make some bring back clasic RPG's.
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#13 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I'd say bioware, but only because they've been afloat to make more. I would love to see what kind of stuff Black Isle would make today if they were still around.

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I really wish they never disbanded. How many people from Black Isle studios went to obsidian?

A few,many went on and created Troika.
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#14 glez13
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Did Black Isle only published Baldur's Gate games or did they colaborated in development?

Well either way I will say Black Isle but not sure if by little or a lot.

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Both are great.. Baldur's Gate 2 was great, but I can't help but looking back at how poorly balanced the game was at times.. Where some classes you played you were at a SERIOUS disadvantage.
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Bioware hasn't been the same imo, Jade empire was good but not great, the same goes to the mass effect games I'm going with Black Isle Studios
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#17 Vaasman
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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I'd say bioware, but only because they've been afloat to make more. I would love to see what kind of stuff Black Isle would make today if they were still around.

argetlam00

but they are still around, in the form of Obsidian. Butchering Black Isle's name in their marketing agenda.

Obsidian is a hollow shell of Black Isle at best. Obsidian is missing many key developers than went over to Troika and didn't return.

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[QUOTE="Wolfetan"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I'd say bioware, but only because they've been afloat to make more. I would love to see what kind of stuff Black Isle would make today if they were still around.

Arach666

I really wish they never disbanded. How many people from Black Isle studios went to obsidian?

A few,many went on and created Troika.

Then Troika disbanded and some went to Obsidian anyways. It was destiny.:shock:....:P

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#19 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I'd say bioware, but only because they've been afloat to make more. I would love to see what kind of stuff Black Isle would make today if they were still around.

Vaasman

but they are still around, in the form of Obsidian. Butchering Black Isle's name in their marketing agenda.

Obsidian is a hollow shell of Black Isle at best. Obsidian is missing many key developers than went over to Troika and didn't return.

Doesn't stop them from butchering Black Isle's name in their marketing agenda :P

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#20 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Wolfetan"] I really wish they never disbanded. How many people from Black Isle studios went to obsidian?glez13

A few,many went on and created Troika.

Then Troika disbanded and some went to Obsidian anyways. It was destiny.:shock:....:P

lol yeah,it was meant to be. :P
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Wolfetan"] I really wish they never disbanded. How many people from Black Isle studios went to obsidian?glez13

A few,many went on and created Troika.

Then Troika disbanded and some went to Obsidian anyways. It was destiny.:shock:....:P

And some of them created Double Bear, which is bringing an awesome cRPG next year called Dead State. :D
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#22 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] A few,many went on and created Troika.RyuRanVII

Then Troika disbanded and some went to Obsidian anyways. It was destiny.:shock:....:P

And some of them created Double Bear, which is bringing an awesome cRPG next year called Dead State. :D

Link to this?

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[QUOTE="Wolfetan"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]

I'd say bioware, but only because they've been afloat to make more. I would love to see what kind of stuff Black Isle would make today if they were still around.

Arach666

I really wish they never disbanded. How many people from Black Isle studios went to obsidian?

A few,many went on and created Troika.

Wouldn't it be great if Bioware got the rights for Vampire Masquerades license? I mean the last game (one of my favorite rpgs of all time) wasn't far off from the kind of mechanics Bioware has been developing and using for years.

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Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

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#25 Shoaka
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Bioware is by far the best WRPG developer there ever was, and ever will be.

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#26 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Wolfetan"] I really wish they never disbanded. How many people from Black Isle studios went to obsidian?sSubZerOo

A few,many went on and created Troika.

Wouldn't it be great if Bioware got the rights for Vampire Masquerades license? I mean the last game (one of my favorite rpgs of all time) wasn't far off from the kind of mechanics Bioware has been developing and using for years.

I think it was in some ways closer to Deus Ex than any Bioware game,but since Ion Storm is no more I guess Bioware would do a decent job with the license,but only if they went to a more role playing aproach,unlike their latest games and apparently the next ones. :P Honestly,I would like to see Obsidian doing a new VTM game,but with time to do it the way they wanted it and with a decent financial support.
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Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

sameerlel456

The witcher? Bioware? :lol:

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#28 Arach666
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Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

sameerlel456
The Witcher???
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#29 MonsieurX
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Black Isle,by a lot.
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#30 Shoaka
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[QUOTE="sameerlel456"]

Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

argetlam00

The witcher? Bioware? :lol:

Bioware's list still thrashes Black Isle's.

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Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

sameerlel456

Lol? The Witcher was dev'd by CD Projekt, and Mass Effect is a pretty predictable RPG, definitely not praise worthy in my opinion. Jade Empire was plain bad.

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#33 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="sameerlel456"]

Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

Shoaka

The witcher? Bioware? :lol:

Bioware's list still thrashes Black Isle's.

Sure, but I'm just quite surprised at the Witcher being listed as a bioware game. The style couldn't be any different.

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#34 Arach666
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="sameerlel456"]

Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

Shoaka

The witcher? Bioware? :lol:

Bioware's list still thrashes Black Isle's.

I have to disagree with that.
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#35 Yangire
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="sameerlel456"]

Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

Shoaka

The witcher? Bioware? :lol:

Bioware's list still thrashes Black Isle's.

Only in length.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] A few,many went on and created Troika.Arach666

Wouldn't it be great if Bioware got the rights for Vampire Masquerades license? I mean the last game (one of my favorite rpgs of all time) wasn't far off from the kind of mechanics Bioware has been developing and using for years.

I think it was in some ways closer to Deus Ex than any Bioware game,but since Ion Storm is no more I guess Bioware would do a decent job with the license,but only if they went to a more role playing aproach,unlike their latest games and apparently the next ones. :P Honestly,I would like to see Obsidian doing a new VTM game,but with time to do it the way they wanted it and with a decent financial support.

Have you played Vampire the Masquerades Bloodlines? Its combat system is extremely similar in many regards to Biowares and the dialogue system isn't much difference either.. And I honestly don't trust Obsidian.. They seem to be extremely keen in releasing half baked programs.. even what som epople consider their best (Mask of the betrayer) I found to be extremely dull. Though I am bias because I hate the majority of DnD campaigns that tries to use epic campaigns.

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Bioware - Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic Black Isle - Planescape Torment Yeah, I'm going with Bioware on this one.
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#38 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Wouldn't it be great if Bioware got the rights for Vampire Masquerades license? I mean the last game (one of my favorite rpgs of all time) wasn't far off from the kind of mechanics Bioware has been developing and using for years.

sSubZerOo

I think it was in some ways closer to Deus Ex than any Bioware game,but since Ion Storm is no more I guess Bioware would do a decent job with the license,but only if they went to a more role playing aproach,unlike their latest games and apparently the next ones. :P Honestly,I would like to see Obsidian doing a new VTM game,but with time to do it the way they wanted it and with a decent financial support.

Have you played Vampire the Masquerades Bloodlines? Its combat system is extremely similar in many regards to Biowares and the dialogue system isn't much difference either.. And I honestly don't trust Obsidian.. They seem to be extremely keen in releasing half baked programs.. even what som epople consider their best (Mask of the betrayer) I found to be extremely dull. Though I am bias because I hate the majority of DnD campaigns that tries to use epic campaigns.

I know what you mean,I just always thougtyh that VTMB was in some ways similar to Deus Ex,it´s just the way I always seen the game.

Obsidian games usually have many technical problems,but to be honest,so did VTMB.:P I really like their games,especially NWN2(with MotB)and even Alpha Protocol,I still think that with the proper resources( a thing they never had,along with time to develop a game properly) they could do much better,because everything else they do besides some really nasty coding is great RPG wise.

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[QUOTE="sameerlel456"]

Bioware: KOTOR, mass effect 1 and 2, baldurs gate, Star wars: TOR, THe witcher, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire,

Black ISle": Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind, Planescape

BIOWARE DEFINETLY

On a side note... wouldnt it be awesome if Bioware made the next Fallout?

argetlam00

The witcher? Bioware? :lol:

bioware wishes :lol:
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#40 Shoaka
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Ok looking over the list, Black Isle was better Pre 2000, but the only major game Bioware had before then was Baldur's Gate 1, while comparable to Fallout or Torment, Black Isle had more good games out.

After 2000 Bioware has been the unchallenged Wrpg king for 10 years now.

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i would way Bioware for their ingenuity and depth
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Bioware - Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic Black Isle - Planescape Torment Yeah, I'm going with Bioware on this one.Guppy507

Fallout 1 / 2?

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Bioware - Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic Black Isle - Planescape Torment Yeah, I'm going with Bioware on this one.Guppy507
Let´s not forget Fallout,Fallout 2,Icewind Dale for BI,mkay? ;)

And maybe Arcanum and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines since Troika was basically BI with another name.

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i would way Bioware for their ingenuity and depth Wings_008

I lol'd. Maybe 10 years ago, but now they're as shallow as a puddle.

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[QUOTE="Guppy507"]Bioware - Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic Black Isle - Planescape Torment Yeah, I'm going with Bioware on this one.Arach666

Let´s not forget Fallout,Fallout 2,Icewind Dale for BI,mkay? ;)

And maybe Arcanum and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines since Troika was basically BI with another name.

I didn't forget anything. I only posted the games I liked, from both devs. ;)

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Ok looking over the list, Black Isle was better Pre 2000, but theonly major game Bioware had before then was Baldur's Gate 1, while comparable to Fallout or Torment,Black Isle had more good games out.

After 2000 Bioware has been the unchallengedWrpg king for 10 years now.

Shoaka
Black Isle was shut down early 2000's and the reason they didn't release much at that time was they were having a dispute over the D&D license. Also Baldur's Gate was co-developed with Black Isle.
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Guppy507"]Bioware - Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic Black Isle - Planescape Torment Yeah, I'm going with Bioware on this one.Guppy507

Let´s not forget Fallout,Fallout 2,Icewind Dale for BI,mkay? ;)

And maybe Arcanum and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines since Troika was basically BI with another name.

I didn't forget anything. I only posted the games I liked, from both devs. ;)

Oh,ok then. :)
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[QUOTE="Guppy507"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Let´s not forget Fallout,Fallout 2,Icewind Dale for BI,mkay? ;)

And maybe Arcanum and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines since Troika was basically BI with another name.

Arach666

I didn't forget anything. I only posted the games I liked, from both devs. ;)

Oh,ok then. :)

I guess it would be fair to add VtM:B to Black Isle, but Bioware would still win.
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[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Guppy507"] I didn't forget anything. I only posted the games I liked, from both devs. ;)

Guppy507

Oh,ok then. :)

I guess it would be fair to add VtM:B to Black Isle, but Bioware would still win.

To me,looking at all those BI games it´s flawless victory for BI. :P

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[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="Arach666"] Oh,ok then. :)Arach666

I guess it would be fair to add VtM:B to Black Isle, but Bioware would still win.

To me,looking at all those BI games it´s flawless victory for BI. :P

They might have beaten Bioware by a bit if I had actually liked Fallout 1 and 2. I couldn't get passed the combat though. :( Then again, it's been a long time since I've given Fallout another chance. Maybe someday...