Black Isle Studios or Bioware

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[QUOTE="Guppy507"] I guess it would be fair to add VtM:B to Black Isle, but Bioware would still win.Guppy507

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] A few,many went on and created Troika.RyuRanVII

Then Troika disbanded and some went to Obsidian anyways. It was destiny.:shock:....:P

Planescape >> Baldurs Gate. :P

WhenCicadasCry

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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

The witcher? Bioware? :lol:

Yangire

Bioware's list still thrashes Black Isle's.

Only in length.

Sorry, I just typed in Bioware on this sites searchbar and wrote down the different IPs. BUt still, BIOWARE DEFINETLY WINS. I mean, Fallout 1/2 were good, but Bioware has way more good games

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Guppy507"] I guess it would be fair to add VtM:B to Black Isle, but Bioware would still win.Guppy507

Bioware by a wide margin!!Duckyindiana

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Bioware by a wide margin!!Brownesque

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Bioware by a wide margin!!moose_knuckler

If you got to respond to that and add nothing, why didn't you just elaborate and contribute with something? Sometimes people really confuse me.:?

[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="Arach666"] To me,looking at all those BI games it´s flawless victory for BI. :P

Brownesque

I love how disturbingly detailed some of the death animations are, 'specially the Lieutenant's. Definitely made the combat even more fun :twisted:

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Bioware by a wide margin!!Brownesque

Orly, how so? You can't just say "a wide margin" and then fail to support your opinion.....have you even played any Black Isle Studios games?

Since no matter what he says, the BI fanboys will retort with "Nuh uh! Bioware blows!!!" it doesn't actually matter the reason he holds that opinion. Breaking it down into details will only encourage bickering, since the Fallout and Planescape fans refuse to give any credit to Bioware for any of the fantastic games they've put out in the last decade.

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Bioware by a wide margin!!Brownesque

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Bioware by a wide margin!!Duckyindiana

Do tell me more about your feelings.

Your opinion is just an opinion and not really worth the posting space. I want to hear your reasoning. Anything else is worthless to me. And I repeat....have you ever played any games made by Black Isle Studios?

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Bioware by a wide margin!!Greyfeld

Orly, how so? You can't just say "a wide margin" and then fail to support your opinion.....have you even played any Black Isle Studios games?

Since no matter what he says, the BI fanboys will retort with "Nuh uh! Bioware blows!!!" it doesn't actually matter the reason he holds that opinion. Breaking it down into details will only encourage bickering, since the Fallout and Planescape fans refuse to give any credit to Bioware for any of the fantastic games they've put out in the last decade.

Bioware and fantastic games don't belong in the same sentence. Bioware just cookie cutters to the console crowd with their shallow action games which somehow seem to be RPG's in the minds of the console crowd.

Bioware is laughable and the old Black Isle games still poop over all the recent Bioware games.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Bioware by a wide margin!!Duckyindiana

This.

And biowars better, though i dont know why people seem to think this means the other choice sucks.

Its like comparing 2 games, one gets a 9.5, the other gets a 9.4, then raging about how the second game sucks, its just moronic.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="Brownesque"] Orly, how so? You can't just say "a wide margin" and then fail to support your opinion...glez13

If you got to respond to that and add nothing, why didn't you just elaborate and contribute with something? Sometimes people really confuse me.:?

What more does he (or I) need to elaborate on? He answered to the thread title with a certain margin. I'm sure we can all see that when he says "by a wide margin", he must find Bioware games to be really great. If you're in such an investigative mood to see why he said "by a wide margin" check out his user reviews (if he has any).

"Sometimes people really confuse me." You're telling me.

I don't think I've ever played a Black Isle game before.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]Bioware by a wide margin!!Greyfeld

Orly, how so? You can't just say "a wide margin" and then fail to support your opinion.....have you even played any Black Isle Studios games?

Since no matter what he says, the BI fanboys will retort with "Nuh uh! Bioware blows!!!" it doesn't actually matter the reason he holds that opinion. Breaking it down into details will only encourage bickering, since the Fallout and Planescape fans refuse to give any credit to Bioware for any of the fantastic games they've put out in the last decade.

I believe it's because Bioware basically just did the Baldur's Gate games(with some help here and there from Black Isle btw;) ) and then they just basically started doing clones that where less and less complex in various ways. The only thing that Bioware has done right lately is rescuing and improving the old multiple dialogue choice system from the adventure genre. I don't know if I'm missing something.

[QUOTE="glez13"]

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Why not? A few ppl have already stated "Black Isle/ Bioware by a LOT!" without having the need to say why. Why should his reaction require one?moose_knuckler

If you got to respond to that and add nothing, why didn't you just elaborate and contribute with something? Sometimes people really confuse me.:?

What more does he (or I) need to elaborate on? He answered to the thread title with a certain margin. I'm sure we can all see that when he says "by a wide margin", he must find Bioware games to be really great. If you're in such an investigative mood to see why he said "by a wide margin" check out his user reviews (if he has any).

"Sometimes people really confuse me." You're telling me.

There is a difference between "I feel like X is better" and "X is better," and he said the latter, and the latter requires support, else it's just chestpounding. Your opinion is not a sufficient basis for a knowledge claim. Logic 101.

And, frankly, a forum full of opinions is not worth anyone's time. Opinions are like....well. Everyone's got an opinion.

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[QUOTE="glez13"]

If you got to respond to that and add nothing, why didn't you just elaborate and contribute with something? Sometimes people really confuse me.:?

Brownesque

What more does he (or I) need to elaborate on? He answered to the thread title with a certain margin. I'm sure we can all see that when he says "by a wide margin", he must find Bioware games to be really great. If you're in such an investigative mood to see why he said "by a wide margin" check out his user reviews (if he has any).

"Sometimes people really confuse me." You're telling me.

There is a difference between "I feel like X is better" and "X is better," and he said the latter, and the latter requires support, else it's just chestpounding. Your opinion is not a sufficient basis for a knowledge claim. Logic 101.

And, frankly, a forum full of opinions is not worth anyone's time. Opinions are like....well. Everyone's got an opinion.

The entire thread is an opinion thread, so why are you here if you dont want peoples opinions?

Or do you not get the point of a poll?

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

Orly, how so? You can't just say "a wide margin" and then fail to support your opinion.....have you even played any Black Isle Studios games?glez13

Since no matter what he says, the BI fanboys will retort with "Nuh uh! Bioware blows!!!" it doesn't actually matter the reason he holds that opinion. Breaking it down into details will only encourage bickering, since the Fallout and Planescape fans refuse to give any credit to Bioware for any of the fantastic games they've put out in the last decade.

I believe it's because Bioware basically just did the Baldur's Gate games(with some help here and there from Black Isle btw;) ) and then they just basically started doing clones that where less and less complex in various ways. The only thing that Bioware has done right lately is rescuing and improving the old multiple dialogue choice system from the adventure genre. I don't know if I'm missing something.

clones? really? so mdk2 is just a clone of baldurs gate? and jade empire? and dragon age? and mass effect? heck teh onloy thing thats even close to that is NWN.

At least bioware has some variety, BI made one style of game, unless theres some massive difference im not aware of in icewind dale.

[QUOTE="Wings_008"]i would way Bioware for their ingenuity and depth WhenCicadasCry

I lol'd. Maybe 10 years ago, but now they're as shallow as a puddle.

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Planescape >> Baldurs Gate. :P

oldkingallant

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[QUOTE="Wings_008"]i would way Bioware for their ingenuity and depth Wings_008

I lol'd. Maybe 10 years ago, but now they're as shallow as a puddle.

Having the choice to either help, or refuse and call an alien a big stupid jellyfish isn't deep. If I wanted a deep game, I'd play DSC Blackshark.

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[QUOTE="Wings_008"]i would way Bioware for their ingenuity and depth Wings_008

I lol'd. Maybe 10 years ago, but now they're as shallow as a puddle.

Black Isle, by a lot.

[QUOTE="Wings_008"][QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

I lol'd. Maybe 10 years ago, but now they're as shallow as a puddle.

WhenCicadasCry

Having the choice to either help, or refuse and call an alien a big stupid jellyfish isn't deep. If I wanted a deep game, I'd play DSC Blackshark.

Black Isle by miles. Though it's hard to believe there was a time when Bioware made excellent RPGs.

Troika 8)

KiZZo1

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]

[QUOTE="glez13"]

If you got to respond to that and add nothing, why didn't you just elaborate and contribute with something? Sometimes people really confuse me.:?

What more does he (or I) need to elaborate on? He answered to the thread title with a certain margin. I'm sure we can all see that when he says "by a wide margin", he must find Bioware games to be really great. If you're in such an investigative mood to see why he said "by a wide margin" check out his user reviews (if he has any).

"Sometimes people really confuse me." You're telling me.

There is a difference between "I feel like X is better" and "X is better," and he said the latter, and the latter requires support, else it's just chestpounding. Your opinion is not a sufficient basis for a knowledge claim. Logic 101.

And, frankly, a forum full of opinions is not worth anyone's time. Opinions are like....well. Everyone's got an opinion.

Black Isle

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Guppy507"]Bioware - Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Knights of the Old Republic Black Isle - Planescape Torment Yeah, I'm going with Bioware on this one.Guppy507

And maybe Arcanum and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines since Troika was basically BI with another name.

Bioware...You can't beat Baldur's Gate...

argetlam00

I thought Black isle made Baldu's gate and icewind dale series??? never mind it says bioware and Black isle on the disc.

[QUOTE="Guppy507"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Let´s not forget Fallout,Fallout 2,Icewind Dale for BI,mkay? ;)

And maybe Arcanum and Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines since Troika was basically BI with another name.

Juggernaut140

fallout was cool if you played it back then but now its very dated. Like if i were to play Baldurs gate today i wouldn't be able to stand it but since that was one of my most payed games when i was 10 thats a different story.

Bioware.

Baldur's Gate 1 & II, KotoR 1 & 2, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Dragon Age 1 & 2, NeverWinter Nights, Sonic Chronicles, Dark Age of Camelot, SW: TOR. What more do you need? Their games rule.

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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

Orly, how so? You can't just say "a wide margin" and then fail to support your opinion.....have you even played any Black Isle Studios games?loadedboon

Since no matter what he says, the BI fanboys will retort with "Nuh uh! Bioware blows!!!" it doesn't actually matter the reason he holds that opinion. Breaking it down into details will only encourage bickering, since the Fallout and Planescape fans refuse to give any credit to Bioware for any of the fantastic games they've put out in the last decade.

Bioware and fantastic games don't belong in the same sentence. Bioware just cookie cutters to the console crowd with their shallow action games which somehow seem to be RPG's in the minds of the console crowd.

Bioware is laughable and the old Black Isle games still poop over all the recent Bioware games.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="Guppy507"] I didn't forget anything. I only posted the games I liked, from both devs. ;)

AiurProtoss

fallout was cool if you played it back then but now its very dated. Like if i were to play Baldurs gate today i wouldn't be able to stand it but since that was one of my most payed games when i was 10 thats a different story.

What about Obsidian vs Bioware.

I really wish Obsidian was given a good publisher with full freedom to make an awesome game again.

Black Isle. Any other answer is wrong... there is no room for subjectivity here.

Unless you're one of those extreme Bioware fans who state something along the lines of BG2>Black Isle...

What about Obsidian vs Bioware.

I really wish Obsidian was given a good publisher with full freedom to make an awesome game again.

Wolfetan

Blackisle may be dead, but I'd still take Planescape Torment and Fallout 2 over anything Bioware ever did(this is coming from someone that did enjoy Mass Effect 2 btw)jg4xchamp

So did I. Sure I have my complaints on the game: Level Design, Cities, RPG elements and on quite a bit of the plot etc, but the game was more than a worthy experience imo--I found it fun.

I find it far from being Bioware's worst like many people think. I just don't understand how someone can speak ill of Bioware's latest games--series like Mass Effect or even Dragon Age on level design etc and then praise Kotor to hell and back... I just don't get it...

Black Isle, by miles.

BioWare has made some good games, but Black Isle made ****ing masterpieces.