Black Ops is superior to Modern Warfare 3

To be honest I'd go as far as to say this is the worst Call of Duty yet. There are just way too many flaws to this game.

• The maps are bad. You can try and debate all you want with me saying you like the maps but they are crap compared to past call of duty games. There isn't a single memorable map.
• You die way too fast. At least in Black Ops you have the time to react to someone shooting you but in this it's basically whoever sees the other first by a milisecond wins the battle. It's stupid.
• Nades and semtex have been turned to utter crap. Now it's extremely hard to get kill with them unless it lands DIRECTLY beneath someone's feet.
• Don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if there's another way to do so but I can't seen to view people's Call of Duty stats page like I was able to in Black Ops (select person's name from the score screen and see it from there)

There 's a lot more flaws as Sniping taking absolutely zero skill in this game and riot shields being stupid as crap.

It's just not nearly as good as Black Ops or other call of duty before it. Thoughts?

Yikes, don't even talk about Black Ops on here.

No, Black Ops was much worse.

• The community seriously only uses the AK74, most of the time With Rapid Fire. That gun alone made the entire game unbalanced.
• Survival Mode > Zombies
• The damage threshold is the same, it seems to me.
• Maps were much more unbalanced.

To be honest I'd go as far as to say this is the worst Call of Duty yet. There are just way too many flaws to this game.

• The maps are bad. You can try and debate all you want with me saying you like the maps but they are crap compared to past call of duty games. There isn't a single memorable map.
  Oh they are more than bad. They are god-awful and boring.
• You die way too fast. At least in Black Ops you have the time to react to someone shooting you but in this it's basically whoever sees the other first by a milisecond wins the battle. It's stupid.
• I think it's the same health...
• Nades and semtex have been turned to utter crap. Now it's extremely hard to get kill with them unless it lands DIRECTLY beneath someone's feet.
• The Semtex still works wonders, but using frags are like using paperballs, so you're right.
• Don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if there's another way to do so but I can't seen to view people's Call of Duty stats page like I was able to in Black Ops (select person's name from the score screen and see it from there)
• Not sure.

There 's a lot more flaws as Sniping taking absolutely zero skill in this game and riot shields being stupid as crap.

Agreed. No-Scoping has been upgraded...how is that possible..

It's just not nearly as good as Black Ops or other call of duty before it. Thoughts?

Black-Ops is a great addition compared to this.

Eggimannd

Folks don't take kindly to the truth round here.

wrong!! modern warfare 3 is the best cod but battlfield 3 owns them all

i disagree..black ops is probaby the worst cod game ive played. Waw is much better... but waw is worse than the mw series.campzor

You disagree on what points? Mind telling me WHAT exactly makes modern warfare 3 better than Black ops? Because all I've seen from the game has been mostly negatives and I don't see any major redeeming features except a select few.

Agree with the TC 100%.

MW 3 is not only worse than Black Ops (in all ways cept for spec ops for obvios reasons), as far as the multiplayer goes its the wost in the series (excluding spin offs).

IMO, Call of Duty 1 and 2 had better multiplayer.

Comparing MW 3 to previous MW games is an insult to those games.

I agree....can anyone say NAZI FREAKIN Zombies!

[QUOTE="campzor"]i disagree..black ops is probaby the worst cod game ive played. Waw is much better... but waw is worse than the mw series.Eggimannd

You disagree on what points? Mind telling me WHAT exactly makes modern warfare 3 better than Black ops? Because all I've seen from the game has been mostly negatives and I don't see any major redeeming features except a select few.

MW3 is pretty terrible. I've got to be honest with myself. I tried to make myself like it, but the terrible spawn system and absolutely horrible map design completely suck the fun out of the game. Black Ops was a great game compared to it. I'd even dare to say that Black Ops is second only to COD4 this generation as far as COD games go. MW2 was a disaster IMO, and MW3 is even worse, but for different reasons. WaW was ok, but I'm so sick of WWII. Even still, it was much more fun than MW2 and MW3.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]i disagree..black ops is probaby the worst cod game ive played. Waw is much better... but waw is worse than the mw series.ermacness

You disagree on what points? Mind telling me WHAT exactly makes modern warfare 3 better than Black ops? Because all I've seen from the game has been mostly negatives and I don't see any major redeeming features except a select few.

Completely disagree. Hitbox lag seems to be even more prevalent in MW3 than it was in Black Ops.

[QUOTE="campzor"]i disagree..black ops is probaby the worst cod game ive played. Waw is much better... but waw is worse than the mw series.Eggimannd

You disagree on what points? Mind telling me WHAT exactly makes modern warfare 3 better than Black ops? Because all I've seen from the game has been mostly negatives and I don't see any major redeeming features except a select few.

MW3 is pretty terrible. I've got to be honest with myself. I tried to make myself like it, but the terrible spawn system and absolutely horrible map design completely suck the fun out of the game. Black Ops was a great game compared to it. I'd even dare to say that Black Ops is second only to COD4 this generation as far as COD games go. MW2 was a disaster IMO, and MW3 is even worse, but for different reasons. WaW was ok, but I'm so sick of WWII. Even still, it was much more fun than MW2 and MW3.

caseystryker

It's like I stated before: All the CoD games tends to do is fix previous problems, and create new ones,. So this gen, IW and Treyarch have been basically rinsing and repeating throughout most of this gen. The only CoD I think that was basically perfect at it's time was CoD4: MW.

Agreed!!! I felt Black Ops was a step foward in the Cod franchise. i.e.Cod Points, 15 prestiges, Wager Matches, Zombies, Custom Emblems, Combat stat, theater mode, and the most balanced game in the series.

I'm pretty sure anyone here who disliked Black Ops simply couldn't handle the game's recoil and were discouraged because 1) They died alot having a negative K/D and 2) Just couldn't handle not being spoon fed like the MW series.

Black Ops had perfect maps, perfect sniping, and perfect recoil for diverse gameplay. Black Ops also had OPTIONS and didn't mess around with the Southpaw settings.

In Black Ops you can turn off the music to prevent it from interferring with footsteps in Search and Destroy. You can also select what sound settings you use. MW3 doesn't auto select it for you. It's either 5.1 or not. No headphones, theater or TV. Oh did i mention how Black Ops never got hacked? Yeah, it didn't.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]i disagree..black ops is probaby the worst cod game ive played. Waw is much better... but waw is worse than the mw series.campzor

You disagree on what points? Mind telling me WHAT exactly makes modern warfare 3 better than Black ops? Because all I've seen from the game has been mostly negatives and I don't see any major redeeming features except a select few.

It's a different system and personally I prefer CoD points to the system MW3 has.

(no more genitalia and racism shown in every match) I LOVED how titles and emblems were tied to doing challenges in mw2..one of my favourite things in mw2 and mw3.

This is not a plus. This is a negative no matter how you see it. The emblem editor was amazing and fun (I had a pokeball).

the shotties are awful....ALL of them...and the spas is so crap in that game. Also ONLY 4 shotties... ONLY 4 snipers... Only 1 being good.... The perks are in bad tiers and some of the perks are just stupid to have. The haz mask one (forgot name) seriously..did anyone even use that at all ? :lol: Also being forced to play game modes in order to unlock the pro version of perks...whose stupid idea was this? I dont want to be forced to play CTF to unlock marathon pro. Hmm lets see what else...

Some of these points are kinda valid. I much more enjoyed black ops guns to MW3 ones. And oh noes 1 useless perk.

The maps are not sniper friendly at all.. especially that it takes forever to zoom in (im not talking about quick scoping) Also the constant party connection and other bugs/glitches in the ps3 version.

Maps were not sniper friendly in Black Ops? uhh What? Maps were a lot more open in Black Ops than they are in MW3. You're talking complete nonsense here.

treyarch cant program for the life of them.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]i disagree..black ops is probaby the worst cod game ive played. Waw is much better... but waw is worse than the mw series.campzor

You disagree on what points? Mind telling me WHAT exactly makes modern warfare 3 better than Black ops? Because all I've seen from the game has been mostly negatives and I don't see any major redeeming features except a select few.

I'm pretty sure anyone here who disliked Black Ops simply couldn't handle the game's recoil and were discouraged because 1) They died alot having a negative K/D and 2) Just couldn't handle not being spoon fed like the MW series.

Black Ops had perfect maps, perfect sniping, and perfect recoil for diverse gameplay. Black Ops also had OPTIONS and didn't mess around with the Southpaw settings.

In Black Ops you can turn off the music to prevent it from interferring with footsteps in Search and Destroy. You can also select what sound settings you use. MW3 doesn't auto select it for you. It's either 5.1 or not. No headphones, theater or TV. Oh did i mention how Black Ops never got hacked? Yeah, it didn't.

DevilishStyles

Haha and the under the map glitch in MW3 outpost. And campzor says Treyarch can't program :lol:

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]i disagree..black ops is probaby the worst cod game ive played. Waw is much better... but waw is worse than the mw series.campzor

You disagree on what points? Mind telling me WHAT exactly makes modern warfare 3 better than Black ops? Because all I've seen from the game has been mostly negatives and I don't see any major redeeming features except a select few.

Tactical mask pro was fantastic, I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to use it TBH. The maps were far better, snipers weren't a joke like they are now. You could still do well as a sniper on select maps so there had their place. MW3 has made QSing even easier, if that's even possible.

Are you seriously trying to say BO had more connection issues than MW3? At least BO was playable. MW3 is a ridiculous lag fest most of the time for me. Not to mention the constant server connection errors.

I agree, especially about the maps.

BF3 is so much better.

I agree the COD points were a bad idea and I like performing challenges in order to unlock tags and emblems, but all of the other flaws you listed are prevalent in MW3 as well, and to an even greater degree. I liked having the pro perks harder to unlock because you actually had to somewhat work for them. It forced you to play the objective and branch out to other game modes that you normally wouldn't play.

Tactical mask pro was fantastic, I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to use it TBH. The maps were far better, snipers weren't a joke like they are now. You could still do well as a sniper on select maps so there had their place. MW3 has made QSing even easier, if that's even possible.

Are you seriously trying to say BO had more connection issues than MW3? At least BO was playable. MW3 is a ridiculous lag fest most of the time for me. Not to mention the constant server connection errors.

caseystryker

Yee i dont like that. I hated that i had play this mode on and on and on to get the pro perk..especially with all the campers guarding the flag.

If i wanted to play CTF, i would have and if i wanted to play CTF i would have chosen my own perks and not the ones i was forced to use just so i can have the pro version in the other game modes.

Using perks more and more is much better way to unlock the pro version imo.

On ps3 version..black ops got like 7 patches or something.. it was seriously bad.
I havnt gotten any yet in mw3 and i RARELY got them in mw2..except when a foreigner joined my game and somehow got selected to be host...

Agreed. MW3 is beyond awful. They brought back quickscoping and heartbeat sensor and these have to be the worst maps known to man. Plus their co op only supports 2 players, epic fail.

I may sell my copy by the end of the week and cut my losses. Thankfully I have Black Ops on PC (never thought I'd say that).

Agreed. MW3 is beyond awful. They brought back quickscoping and heartbeat sensor and these have to be the worst maps known to man. Plus their co op only supports 2 players, epic fail.

I may sell my copy by the end of the week and cut my losses. Thankfully I have Black Ops on PC (never thought I'd say that).

Grawse

lets not forget that the survival mode, with only 2 people (lol) lags worse then zombies with 4.

I agree. Black Ops is actually a pretty good shooter.

I do think Blackops is better than MW3, but I dont agree that its worse than MW2. MW2 had worse maps, and the game was more unbalanced. And the game encouraged you to camp, and it did a very good job at doing it as well. I like maybe half the maps in MW3, but yeah I dont like that I die so fast in the game, unlike COD4, and Blackops, and the snipers are way to easy to use. Its like the game is helping you with some auto aim with the sniping. And the hip fire is too good, you no longer need to have fast reflexes just hip fire and you will get your kill. But at least the game is not a total mess like MW2 was, and the game is actually playable. But its no COD4 or Blackops. And in Blackops it was AK74u,FAMAS, and the AUG..... the shoty was alright as well.

I agree with this. MW3 is on a whole different level of terrible. The maps are poorly designed and the worst in the series. They got rid of Playercards, which is one of the best things that happened to COD. And quick scopes, the worst thing to happen to COD after Last Stand. They turned an exploit to a valid gameplay mechanic. I simply can't believe this.

Meh, I really have to say I like MW3 more than BO. In Black Ops the ak74u and famas were used by everyone. There was only 4 snipers and 4 shotguns, and that stupid fing second chance perk (why treyarch thinks you should be able to be revived is beyond me). MW3 has a few issues, such as not great maps and 1 op gun (type 95) but overall I find it to be a more fun game than black ops. MW2 was better than them both for about a month after it released, before all the exploits were used to hell and back. I love how the noob toob has been utterrly nerfed, and that I actually get killed by guns, not explosions. Plagueless

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]Meh, I really have to say I like MW3 more than BO. In Black Ops the ak74u and famas were used by everyone. There was only 4 snipers and 4 shotguns, and that stupid fing second chance perk (why treyarch thinks you should be able to be revived is beyond me). MW3 has a few issues, such as not great maps and 1 op gun (type 95) but overall I find it to be a more fun game than black ops. MW2 was better than them both for about a month after it released, before all the exploits were used to hell and back. I love how the noob toob has been utterrly nerfed, and that I actually get killed by guns, not explosions. fueled-system

Second chance perk in Black Ops only enabled you to use a pistol.

Second chance death streak in MW3 allows you to use the gun you're using. It's ridiculous.

MW3 is better, but yes most of the maps are crap. Many of the maps look like they could have been part of the same map but cut off.

Meh, I really have to say I like MW3 more than BO. In Black Ops the ak74u and famas were used by everyone. There was only 4 snipers and 4 shotguns, and that stupid fing second chance perk (why treyarch thinks you should be able to be revived is beyond me). MW3 has a few issues, such as not great maps and 1 op gun (type 95) but overall I find it to be a more fun game than black ops. MW2 was better than them both for about a month after it released, before all the exploits were used to hell and back. I love how the noob toob has been utterrly nerfed, and that I actually get killed by guns, not explosions. Plagueless

BO had it's high moments over MW3, but MW3 also have high points over BO

MW3 high points vs BO:

- Better/More weapon variety.

- More variety with KS.

- Much more team based, even on TDM.

- Better leveling system with weapons.

- Easier, and more efficient to pro out perks.

- Way better and more accurate hit detection.

- More rewarding with prestige this time around.

- Weapons are more balanced.

- More modes that are really good at the core.

BO high points vs MW3

- Better maps (by a wide margin).

- No quickscoping.

- Perks was more efficient (Scavenger Pro doesn't even restock grenades on MW3)

- Way better respawns.

- While both CoD are bad with lag, BO was less forgiving with exploits.

- Zombies > Spec Ops.

This is what I come up with IMHO about both games. As far as I can see, both games have their pros, and cons.

The bolded points are very clear and evident.

BO had it's high moments over MW3, but MW3 also have high points over BO

MW3 high points vs BO:

- Better/More weapon variety.

- More variety with KS.

- Much more team based, even on TDM.

- Better leveling system with weapons.

- Easier, and more efficient to pro out perks.

- Way better and more accurate hit detection.

- More rewarding with prestige this time around.

- Weapons are more balanced.

- More modes that are really good at the core.

BO high points vs MW3

- Better maps (by a wide margin).

- No quickscoping.

- Perks was more efficient (Scavenger Pro doesn't even restock grenades on MW3)

- Way better respawns.

- While both CoD are bad with lag, BO was less forgiving with exploits.

- Zombies > Spec Ops.

This is what I come up with IMHO about both games. As far as I can see, both games have their pros, and cons.

The bolded points are very clear and evident.

ermacness

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]Meh, I really have to say I like MW3 more than BO. In Black Ops the ak74u and famas were used by everyone. There was only 4 snipers and 4 shotguns, and that stupid fing second chance perk (why treyarch thinks you should be able to be revived is beyond me). MW3 has a few issues, such as not great maps and 1 op gun (type 95) but overall I find it to be a more fun game than black ops. MW2 was better than them both for about a month after it released, before all the exploits were used to hell and back. I love how the noob toob has been utterrly nerfed, and that I actually get killed by guns, not explosions. caseystryker

[QUOTE="caseystryker"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]Meh, I really have to say I like MW3 more than BO. In Black Ops the ak74u and famas were used by everyone. There was only 4 snipers and 4 shotguns, and that stupid fing second chance perk (why treyarch thinks you should be able to be revived is beyond me). MW3 has a few issues, such as not great maps and 1 op gun (type 95) but overall I find it to be a more fun game than black ops. MW2 was better than them both for about a month after it released, before all the exploits were used to hell and back. I love how the noob toob has been utterrly nerfed, and that I actually get killed by guns, not explosions. ermacness

BO had it's high moments over MW3, but MW3 also have high points over BO

MW3 high points vs BO:

- Better/More weapon variety.

- More variety with KS.

- Much more team based, even on TDM.

- Better leveling system with weapons.

- Easier, and more efficient to pro out perks.

- Way better and more accurate hit detection.

- More rewarding with prestige this time around.

- Weapons are more balanced.

- More modes that are really good at the core.

BO high points vs MW3

- Better maps (by a wide margin).

- No quickscoping.

- Perks was more efficient (Scavenger Pro doesn't even restock grenades on MW3)

- Way better respawns.

- While both CoD are bad with lag, BO was less forgiving with exploits.

- Zombies > Spec Ops.

This is what I come up with IMHO about both games. As far as I can see, both games have their pros, and cons.

The bolded points are very clear and evident.

ermacness

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

BO had it's high moments over MW3, but MW3 also have high points over BO

MW3 high points vs BO:

- Better/More weapon variety.

- More variety with KS.

- Much more team based, even on TDM.

- Better leveling system with weapons.

- Easier, and more efficient to pro out perks.

- Way better and more accurate hit detection.

- More rewarding with prestige this time around.

- Weapons are more balanced.

- More modes that are really good at the core.

BO high points vs MW3

- Better maps (by a wide margin).

- No quickscoping.

- Perks was more efficient (Scavenger Pro doesn't even restock grenades on MW3)

- Way better respawns.

- While both CoD are bad with lag, BO was less forgiving with exploits.

- Zombies > Spec Ops.

This is what I come up with IMHO about both games. As far as I can see, both games have their pros, and cons.

The bolded points are very clear and evident.

fueled-system

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="caseystryker"]Even still, I'd rather have a couple of overused guns than a couple of completely overpowering guns. Type 95 with rapid fire and steady aim = god tier weapon in the hands of a good player. It hipfires like a boss and has an extremely high rate of fire for a burst weapon. Some may say, "well the G11 was in BLOPS." This is true, but it wasn't a two shot killer either.

fueled-system

- doubt it. If the bullets hits the leg, I'm willing to bet that the 95 will need more than 2 bullets to kill. In one game, a guy who hit me in the hip with it had to burst twice.

- if all 3 bullets hit the upper part of the body, NO IT DOESN'T, and with hit boxes like BO, it wasn't hard to do.

- I heard from more than plenty of people that doing this to the 95 basically made the weapon very stubborn to control and aim.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

BO had it's high moments over MW3, but MW3 also have high points over BO

MW3 high points vs BO:

- Better/More weapon variety.

- More variety with KS.

- Much more team based, even on TDM.

- Better leveling system with weapons.

- Easier, and more efficient to pro out perks.

- Way better and more accurate hit detection.

- More rewarding with prestige this time around.

- Weapons are more balanced.

- More modes that are really good at the core.

BO high points vs MW3

- Better maps (by a wide margin).

- No quickscoping.

- Perks was more efficient (Scavenger Pro doesn't even restock grenades on MW3)

- Way better respawns.

- While both CoD are bad with lag, BO was less forgiving with exploits.

- Zombies > Spec Ops.

This is what I come up with IMHO about both games. As far as I can see, both games have their pros, and cons.

The bolded points are very clear and evident.

thew13

I like spec ops in the MW2 and MW3 more than zombies. Zombies are a fun novelty, but I can't really spend too much time on them before getting bored. I like MW3's campaign a little more than blops. I also really like kill confirmed mode. But still the maps in blops are better than the ones in MW3.

Overall, COD4 > WAW > MW3 = blops > MW2