Blu Ray and disc swapping: lets set this straight.

If everytime I buy a new game and install it to my hard drive I have to insert 3 times as many discs whats the big deal? If from then on I only have to put a single disc in then the difference is pretty marginal.

So I play a game 100 times and have to insert the disc 50 times (sometimes its already in the drive). Ok so thats 50+1 for the installation to a hard drive on the PS3, 50+3 (or 6 or whatever) on the 360? Its going to be what 5 percent more disk swapping? 

If the game doesn't have a disc protection system and can be copied directly to the hard drive, its just 2-5 more inserts during installation.

What on earth are the Sony fanboys on about? A great HD drive?, yes. Massively more convienient? NO!

Given the fact that drives are about to be replaced by digital distribution anyway.. can we please stop banging on about disc swapping - it's really a non-argument!

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

Game13a13y

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it.  They are just paid up to say that.  Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD. 

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

tcarruth

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it.  They are just paid up to say that.  Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD. 

and you would like to install 18GB of data in your harddrive just to avoid using the Blu-ray? last time i checked, some xbox 360 don't have harddrive, or have a harddrive that only hold 20 GB. is it really practical to install all those data to play one game? :?

Disc swapping + HDD isn't really a problem I guess, since most of the "standard" info can be stored on the HDD, and you swap discs purely for unique content (like progess in a game).

But without a guarantee that there would bea  hdd then I guess you'd have to store duplicates of info on each disc. 

If it's a problem is subjective I guess... And the ps1 managed rather good, my point is: we'll see what happens in the 

coming years. I read a rumour that ffxiii (the one game) would "maybe" use two blu-ray discs, but as with most we'll have to wait and see ;)

edit: GS hates me today, so sorry 'bout the multi-posts :P 

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

tcarruth

you're saying it can't be broken into seperate discs, installed to a hard drive and played? U R real smart.

if you care to read my previous post, that is, i'm not saying it "can't," i'm just saying its "not practical."

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

Game13a13y

you're saying it can't be broken into seperate discs, installed to a hard drive and played? U R real smart.

if you care to read my previous post, that is, i'm not saying it "can't," i'm just saying its "not practical."

sorry, that wasn't me but my little **** of a cousin!! I deleted that message!! I'll get him one of these days...

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

Game13a13y

you're saying it can't be broken into seperate discs, installed to a hard drive and played? U R real smart.

if you care to read my previous post, that is, i'm not saying it "can't," i'm just saying its "not practical."

 what is the thing you say now on system wars.. is it 'self ownage' or something equally dim witted?!!

Sorry its just that you explicity wrote 'can't' in you original post....!

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

Game13a13y

2. Lair has no multiplayer. Guess why.

I would just like to say, I am extremely fat & lazy... I dont want to get off my *** for 1 sec more than absolutely necessary.... "Hey MOM! SHUT UP!, I'm busy on System Wars.... GET THE CHICKEN OUTTA DA FREEZER URSELF, IM BUSY DOWN HERE".... Okay I'm back, sry bout that, so yeah, I was saying.... Disc Swapping is just way way too inconvenient....  *Hey MOM, GET ME SOME MORE HOTPOCKETS!*.... why should I have to get up and swap discs, when i can just wait an extra month and save up another months welfare check to buy a PS3.....

1 HOUR LATER....

"HEY MOM, Where did you put my Brokeback Mountain on Blu-Ray?"

*Any judgements or assumptions made about the above statement are purely concocted through ones own imagination and as such, accept no responsibility for them*

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

HuusAsking

2. Lair has no multiplayer. Guess why.

on 2: ...Because the developers didn't have time to make one?...

is that all blue ray is? extra data on one disk so the 360 answer is just use more disks and we get the same quality as the blu ray?jukieuk

is that all blue ray is? extra data on one disk so the 360 answer is just use more disks and we get the same quality as the blu ray?jukieuk

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

Game13a13y

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it. They are just paid up to say that. Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD.

and you would like to install 18GB of data in your harddrive just to avoid using the Blu-ray? last time i checked, some xbox 360 don't have harddrive, or have a harddrive that only hold 20 GB. is it really practical to install all those data to play one game? :?

oh snap 

[QUOTE="jukieuk"]is that all blue ray is? extra data on one disk so the 360 answer is just use more disks and we get the same quality as the blu ray?EliasAlucard

is that all blue ray is? extra data on one disk so the 360 answer is just use more disks and we get the same quality as the blu ray?jukieuk

and hard-coated + supports java (not meaning comes with a sticker saying down with #C or C++ :P)

Blu-Ray does offer developers more possibilities and there will be a time when all of you will be using them (or HD-DVDs). There is a reason we use DVDs not CDs, it is the same for Blu-ray.Dantes_Monkey

still use cds for music and dvd for movies.

yeh but remember the PLaystation 1, that had cds. And then more disc space was needed so DVDs were used in the PS2 and the Xbox

remember, we are talking about this in a gaming context 

The day the PS3 offers a game that has two discs, these boards will go up in flames. Oh what a wonderful day that will be.hotdaisy18

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

Game13a13y

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it. They are just paid up to say that. Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD.

and you would like to install 18GB of data in your harddrive just to avoid using the Blu-ray? last time i checked, some xbox 360 don't have harddrive, or have a harddrive that only hold 20 GB. is it really practical to install all those data to play one game? :?

Last time I checked even with the PS3's blu-ray, you still install gb' of data on your PS3 to boost the load times....like oblivion on ps3... 

Okay people who are continouly whining about swapping disc need to get out more. I agree that DVD9s will have it's limits in the near future and Blu Ray will allow for more freedom but you know what disc swapping isn't hard people, just look after your disc, be organized and exercise.solidte

[QUOTE="solidte"]Okay people who are continouly whining about swapping disc need to get out more. I agree that DVD9s will have it's limits in the near future and Blu Ray will allow for more freedom but you know what disc swapping isn't hard people, just look after your disc, be organized and exercise.EliasAlucard

How do i sue you if you probebly can't even get your ass to court? 

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

raualex

2. Lair has no multiplayer. Guess why.

on 2: ...Because the developers didn't have time to make one?...

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

tcarruth

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it.  They are just paid up to say that.  Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD. 

And how do u know they are talking bull? Its quite obvious the devs creating these games no more then we do, and especially for the ps3, u gotta remember there games are not using dvd's there made off bluray, and these devs are taking full advantage of what the bluray and hdd and cell can do for them to create these monsterous enviroments. His statement are more fact then false, comparing lair to any xbox 360 title out. Tell me a game as huge as lair and has so many enemies and all are very detailed as it is? I havent seen one game on the xbox 360 that is like Lair, and for a system that had a year head start, u would think that they would already have had a few games showing off the processing power of the xbox 360, but they havent, all we seen have been great graphics but nothing as huge as we seen like lair. Lair may not look like anything special but I do give credit for just how massive the damn game is and with all those enemies and dragons and just the huge levels all running at the same time, u would actually think u would need alot more memmory to run such a game but thats just it, because of bluray and the hdd and cell, these type of games are possible on the ps3, even with such low memmory, and ppl say the ps3 cant deliver graphics, but from what ive seen, most ps3 games such as motorstorm, resistance fall of man, ratchet and clank, uncharted drakes fortune, lair, heavenly sword, mgs4, final fantasy 13, final fantasy versus, white knight story, gthd, and tons of other titles look great and they aint even using unreal engine 3. What does that tell u? All these games developed for the ps3, are a showcase that they dont need unreal engine 3, prolly the best graphics engine to make there games look great. Naughty Dog is showing off an engine just for the ps3 that they can build something almost as good as unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, and Bungie has always been known for there graphics, but even in its beta, naughty dogs engine looks better and I think even in the final version of halo 3, it still wont be as good as gears of war or mass effect or Uncharted Drakes Fortune. Well I said a little too much and am too lazy to put my words in paragraphs but hopefully u understood what im talking about, lol. :)

[QUOTE="solidte"]Okay people who are continouly whining about swapping disc need to get out more. I agree that DVD9s will have it's limits in the near future and Blu Ray will allow for more freedom but you know what disc swapping isn't hard people, just look after your disc, be organized and exercise.EliasAlucard

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

tcarruth

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it.  They are just paid up to say that.  Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD. 

Ok say that is true, how does this have anythign to do with X360?

When a developer creates a game on the X360 they have to go with the following information, no harddrive, no HD drive.

Your point fails because X360 released a bare bones skew with no hardrive.  So now using your words, you can't download a huge game from several discs to play it.  Of course this could have been fixed possibly if they would have required maybe an 80 gig harddrive.....instead they went the cheap route, which according to your reasoning will effect games eventually.

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

squallff8_fan

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it.  They are just paid up to say that.  Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD. 

And how do u know they are talking bull? Its quite obvious the devs creating these games no more then we do, and especially for the ps3, u gotta remember there games are not using dvd's there made off bluray, and these devs are taking full advantage of what the bluray and hdd and cell can do for them to create these monsterous enviroments. His statement are more fact then false, comparing lair to any xbox 360 title out. Tell me a game as huge as lair and has so many enemies and all are very detailed as it is? I havent seen one game on the xbox 360 that is like Lair, and for a system that had a year head start, u would think that they would already have had a few games showing off the processing power of the xbox 360, but they havent, all we seen have been great graphics but nothing as huge as we seen like lair. Lair may not look like anything special but I do give credit for just how massive the damn game is and with all those enemies and dragons and just the huge levels all running at the same time, u would actually think u would need alot more memmory to run such a game but thats just it, because of bluray and the hdd and cell, these type of games are possible on the ps3, even with such low memmory, and ppl say the ps3 cant deliver graphics, but from what ive seen, most ps3 games such as motorstorm, resistance fall of man, ratchet and clank, uncharted drakes fortune, lair, heavenly sword, mgs4, final fantasy 13, final fantasy versus, white knight story, gthd, and tons of other titles look great and they aint even using unreal engine 3. What does that tell u? All these games developed for the ps3, are a showcase that they dont need unreal engine 3, prolly the best graphics engine to make there games look great. Naughty Dog is showing off an engine just for the ps3 that they can build something almost as good as unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, and Bungie has always been known for there graphics, but even in its beta, naughty dogs engine looks better and I think even in the final version of halo 3, it still wont be as good as gears of war or mass effect or Uncharted Drakes Fortune. Well I said a little too much and am too lazy to put my words in paragraphs but hopefully u understood what im talking about, lol. :)

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

darthogre

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it.  They are just paid up to say that.  Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD. 

Ok say that is true, how does this have anythign to do with X360?

When a developer creates a game on the X360 they have to go with the following information, no harddrive, no HD drive.

Your point fails because X360 released a bare bones skew with no hardrive.  So now using your words, you can't download a huge game from several discs to play it.  Of course this could have been fixed possibly if they would have required maybe an 80 gig harddrive.....instead they went the cheap route, which according to your reasoning will effect games eventually.

If technology is advanced enough to the point where we don't have to swap discs, why would we want to? I wonder how it would be if they still put every game on multiple cd's. Wouldn't you want a better solution? For me it's not about being lazy, it's about knowing the tech is there, so why not use it?dmaximum

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

tcarruth

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it.  They are just paid up to say that.  Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD. 

You CAN easily install a huge game to the hard-drive, but not all 360's have hard-drives built in therefore theres a problem. That's why Oblivion for PS3 is technically better because they were able to do that with the PS3 due to the fact that all PS3s have HDDs and it allowed for better load times, slightly better graphics and less bugs.

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

HuusAsking

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it.  They are just paid up to say that.  Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD. 

Ok say that is true, how does this have anythign to do with X360?

When a developer creates a game on the X360 they have to go with the following information, no harddrive, no HD drive.

Your point fails because X360 released a bare bones skew with no hardrive.  So now using your words, you can't download a huge game from several discs to play it.  Of course this could have been fixed possibly if they would have required maybe an 80 gig harddrive.....instead they went the cheap route, which according to your reasoning will effect games eventually.

lol, good luck with that.  It's pretty much common sense why you do NOT want to limit who buys your game.  Look at what is happening lately, exclusives basically becoming multiplat more and more.  Why, because the cost of games is going up exponentially.  YOu want to further limit it to a select group of X360 users?  FF11 is a different story altogether because it was not a typical game, it was an online game.  Btw, how well did that FF11 do on the consoles.......

Even non-SOE devs have stated it might have been a mistake to have the "core" skew without a hardrive because it limits what they can use.

[QUOTE="dmaximum"]If technology is advanced enough to the point where we don't have to swap discs, why would we want to? I wonder how it would be if they still put every game on multiple cd's. Wouldn't you want a better solution? For me it's not about being lazy, it's about knowing the tech is there, so why not use it?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="dmaximum"]If technology is advanced enough to the point where we don't have to swap discs, why would we want to? I wonder how it would be if they still put every game on multiple cd's. Wouldn't you want a better solution? For me it's not about being lazy, it's about knowing the tech is there, so why not use it?dmaximum

No sometimes the term fits.  When I purchased my 3DO (biggest mistake I had ever done) it was obvious within months that it was ahead of its time.  PS3 is different because it has support from 3rd party as well as a gret lineup of 1st/2nd party games.  Where 3DO was basically unknown, the PS3 is well known and probably the most wanted game system. 

If anything the price of the PS3 is ahead of it's time.  I don't think people are ready to spend that amount of cash for a gaming system.  technology wise, people are ready if you ask me.

[QUOTE="tcarruth"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

in some situation, disc swapping can't solve the problem.

like what Level 5 said about Lair. the world is so big and so detailed that it just wouldn't be possible without Blu-ray.

so ya, blu-ray is needed, just not for every games.

 

squallff8_fan

I'm sorry but its obvious that they are talking bull. You can easily install a huge game to a hard drive from several discs and play it. They are just paid up to say that. Other than playing an HD movie from start to finish from a disc there is nothing that can be done with Blu ray that cannot be done with a few disc swaps and DVD.

And how do u know they are talking bull? Its quite obvious the devs creating these games no more then we do, and especially for the ps3, u gotta remember there games are not using dvd's there made off bluray, and these devs are taking full advantage of what the bluray and hdd and cell can do for them to create these monsterous enviroments. His statement are more fact then false, comparing lair to any xbox 360 title out. Tell me a game as huge as lair and has so many enemies and all are very detailed as it is? I havent seen one game on the xbox 360 that is like Lair, and for a system that had a year head start, u would think that they would already have had a few games showing off the processing power of the xbox 360, but they havent, all we seen have been great graphics but nothing as huge as we seen like lair. Lair may not look like anything special but I do give credit for just how massive the damn game is and with all those enemies and dragons and just the huge levels all running at the same time, u would actually think u would need alot more memmory to run such a game but thats just it, because of bluray and the hdd and cell, these type of games are possible on the ps3, even with such low memmory, and ppl say the ps3 cant deliver graphics, but from what ive seen, most ps3 games such as motorstorm, resistance fall of man, ratchet and clank, uncharted drakes fortune, lair, heavenly sword, mgs4, final fantasy 13, final fantasy versus, white knight story, gthd, and tons of other titles look great and they aint even using unreal engine 3. What does that tell u? All these games developed for the ps3, are a showcase that they dont need unreal engine 3, prolly the best graphics engine to make there games look great. Naughty Dog is showing off an engine just for the ps3 that they can build something almost as good as unreal engine. Reason I bring this up is because look at halo 3, and Bungie has always been known for there graphics, but even in its beta, naughty dogs engine looks better and I think even in the final version of halo 3, it still wont be as good as gears of war or mass effect or Uncharted Drakes Fortune. Well I said a little too much and am too lazy to put my words in paragraphs but hopefully u understood what im talking about, lol. :)

ok i didnt read that but i saw the first sentence and all i have to say is if u beleive factor 5, then i beleive epic when they said Gears cant be done on the PS3 and Ubisoft for saying how SC cant be done well on the PS3 

[QUOTE="dmaximum"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="dmaximum"]If technology is advanced enough to the point where we don't have to swap discs, why would we want to? I wonder how it would be if they still put every game on multiple cd's. Wouldn't you want a better solution? For me it's not about being lazy, it's about knowing the tech is there, so why not use it?darthogre

No sometimes the term fits.  When I purchased my 3DO (biggest mistake I had ever done) it was obvious within months that it was ahead of its time.  PS3 is different because it has support from 3rd party as well as a gret lineup of 1st/2nd party games.  Where 3DO was basically unknown, the PS3 is well known and probably the most wanted game system. 

If anything the price of the PS3 is ahead of it's time.  I don't think people are ready to spend that amount of cash for a gaming system.  technology wise, people are ready if you ask me.

I'm assuming you play on a PC. Anyway.

HELLO! You are installing it! As soon as you're done, you won't need the disk to play (in a lot of cases).

In consoles you need them.