Blue ray, or HDDVD isnt a valid reason to buy a 360 or PS3

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#1 whoody12
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I mean

with a not very powerful PC ( 300 USD ?) you can play it all

just plug a cable in the back of your PC, and in the back of your TV

and, HD/blueray movies I dont buy anyway, im a pirate when it comes to HD movies

so to get to my point

it isnt a + to have a blueray or HDDVD on your 360/PS3 :O

srry, I cant really come out of my words, my english aint that good

but I hope you see what I mean

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agreed, i was under the impresssion that consoles were for playing games, not watching movies. and u dont see PC gamers arguing about which format is better.
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#3 Kinitari
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I mean

with a not very powerful PC ( 300 USD ?) you can play it all

just plug a cable in the back of your PC, and in the back of your TV

and, HD/blueray movies I dont buy anyway, im a pirate when it comes to HD movies

so to get to my point

it isnt a + to have a blueray or HDDVD on your 360/PS3 :O

srry, I cant really come out of my words, my english aint that good

but I hope you see what I mean

whoody12

You're forgetting that a lot of people -A- don't have the proper computer required - as you need a certain type of motherboard if I am not mistaken. B - a lot of people don't have their computers anywhere near their TV's. And C - to get sound and audio streaming out of your computer onto your TV, you would need either a reasonably complicated sound card and video card to TV/reciever setup, or a special video card with HDMI out.

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Oh yeah, real practical moving my pc across the living room to hook up to my tv. Oh wait, i would need to upgrade my mother board and video card first. Oh wait, i would need to pirate all my favorite blu ray and hd-dvd discs somehow.....yeah, real practical.
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#5 watchcity
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You're wrong, Blu-Ray is a valid reason to buy a PS3. I watch Blu-Ray movies all the time, and my parents watch them now on my PS3 because they are so much better than DVDs. HD-DVD isn't a valid reason to buy a 360 though, since the 360 doesn't come with an HD-DVD player.

General rule: If you have not actually watched a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movie, you shouldn't comment on their worth. If you saw Planet Earth on Blu-Ray, you would certainly think the PS3 was worth the Blu Ray player alone. In fact, my boss just went out and bought a PS3 for the Blu-Ray player (and Resistance FoM) after I showed him Casino Royale and Planet Earth.

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Oh yeah, real practical moving my pc across the living room to hook up to my tv. Oh wait, i would need to upgrade my mother board and video card first. Oh wait, i would need to pirate all my favorite blu ray and hd-dvd discs somehow.....yeah, real practical.Videodogg
Thats your problem really. There are PC cases smaller than gamecubes, integrated grpahics cards that could handle high quality video, and much more. You could build a pure multi-media PC that could handle all high end video like HDVD, BluRay, etc in a case smaller than a gamecube for well under 400.
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You're wrong, Blu-Ray is a valid reason to buy a PS3. I watch Blu-Ray movies all the time, and my parents watch them now on my PS3 because they are so much better than DVDs. HD-DVD isn't a valid reason to buy a 360 though, since the 360 doesn't come with an HD-DVD player.

General rule: If you have not actually watched a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movie, you shouldn't comment on their worth. If you saw Planet Earth on Blu-Ray, you would certainly think the PS3 was worth the Blu Ray player alone. In fact, my boss just went out and bought a PS3 for the Blu-Ray player (and Resistance FoM) after I showed him Casino Royale and Planet Earth.

watchcity

but ive seen hd movies through market place.like mission imposible,suprman.and dont come to me and tell me but thats not true HD.w/e it looks stunning

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[QUOTE="Videodogg"]Oh yeah, real practical moving my pc across the living room to hook up to my tv. Oh wait, i would need to upgrade my mother board and video card first. Oh wait, i would need to pirate all my favorite blu ray and hd-dvd discs somehow.....yeah, real practical.Vandalvideo
Thats your problem really. There are PC cases smaller than gamecubes, integrated grpahics cards that could handle high quality video, and much more. You could build a pure multi-media PC that could handle all high end video like HDVD, BluRay, etc in a case smaller than a gamecube for well under 400.

Wow, please tell me where you buy -your- parts. Because making a brand new PC from scratch that will include a $200 plus HD-drive for ONLY 400 bucks, that is pretty crazy.

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And it plays games too!

Haha, it's true that with the PS3 you get a lot more for oyur money, but

1. The average consumer doesn't have an hdtv yet

2. Doesn't really fully realize what they're getting with the PS3

3. Things of game consoles as for games, and blu-ray players for movies.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]Oh yeah, real practical moving my pc across the living room to hook up to my tv. Oh wait, i would need to upgrade my mother board and video card first. Oh wait, i would need to pirate all my favorite blu ray and hd-dvd discs somehow.....yeah, real practical.Kinitari

Thats your problem really. There are PC cases smaller than gamecubes, integrated grpahics cards that could handle high quality video, and much more. You could build a pure multi-media PC that could handle all high end video like HDVD, BluRay, etc in a case smaller than a gamecube for well under 400.

Wow, please tell me where you buy -your- parts. Because making a brand new PC from scratch that will include a $200 plus HD-drive for ONLY 400 bucks, that is pretty crazy.

You can find a 150gig harddrive nowadays for anywhere between 85-90 bucks from sites like tigerdirect, pricewatch, or zipzoomfly. 0_o
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#11 Wii1080p
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Downloading HD Movies is futile. They're too big.

Plus the fact that you lose lossless audio when you download movies, since people take it out in order to keep the file sizes under 10 gigs, which is still too big.

I bought a PS3 for the sole purpose of watching Bu-Ray movies. It is a very valid reason for purchasing a PS3.

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why says PC's are to big is an idiot

ever heard of Barebone ?

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Downloading HD Movies is futile. They're too big.

Plus the fact that you lose lossless audio when you download movies, since people take it out in order to keep the file sizes under 10 gigs, which is still too big.

I bought a PS3 for the sole purpose of watching Bu-Ray movies. It is a very valid reason for purchasing a PS3.

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I download movies who are +- 25 gigabyte

+ i download Mvoies arround 2MB/sec

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[QUOTE="Kinitari"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Videodogg"]Oh yeah, real practical moving my pc across the living room to hook up to my tv. Oh wait, i would need to upgrade my mother board and video card first. Oh wait, i would need to pirate all my favorite blu ray and hd-dvd discs somehow.....yeah, real practical.Vandalvideo

Thats your problem really. There are PC cases smaller than gamecubes, integrated grpahics cards that could handle high quality video, and much more. You could build a pure multi-media PC that could handle all high end video like HDVD, BluRay, etc in a case smaller than a gamecube for well under 400.

Wow, please tell me where you buy -your- parts. Because making a brand new PC from scratch that will include a $200 plus HD-drive for ONLY 400 bucks, that is pretty crazy.

You can find a 150gig harddrive nowadays for anywhere between 85-90 bucks from sites like tigerdirect, pricewatch, or zipzoomfly. 0_o

okay, so are you saying I can get a 160gb harddrive - motherboard - ram - cpu - video card (compatible one mind you) - sound card and casing for 200 bucks?

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okay, so are you saying I can get a 160gb harddrive - motherboard - ram - cpu - video card (compatible one mind you) - sound card and casing for 200 bucks? Kinitari
Onboard video and onboard sound nowadays are strong enough to support 5.1 and aux video. You don't need a freaking PCI card to run high end video. -_-. You also don't need an extravagantly large ammount of RAM. We're talking a pure multi-media rig here, not some gaming rig. The only things you'd need to buy is a mobo with decent onboard sound and video, about 512mb or ram, a hdd, and CPU. That oculd easily be achieved for 280-350 excluding shipping costs.
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[QUOTE="Kinitari"]okay, so are you saying I can get a 160gb harddrive - motherboard - ram - cpu - video card (compatible one mind you) - sound card and casing for 200 bucks? Vandalvideo
Onboard video and onboard sound nowadays are strong enough to support 5.1 and aux video. You don't need a freaking PCI card to run high end video. -_-. You also don't need an extravagantly large ammount of RAM. We're talking a pure multi-media rig here, not some gaming rig. The only things you'd need to buy is a mobo with decent onboard sound and video, about 512mb or ram, a hdd, and CPU. That oculd easily be achieved for 280-350 excluding shipping costs.

Um... dual core processors are recomended to process and decode DTS-HD, Dolby TrueHD or even to process LPCM 5.1 audio.

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#17 Wii1080p
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How much would it cost to buy a new 160 gig Hard Drive for every 5 movies that you own?

Discs are cheaper.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Kinitari"]okay, so are you saying I can get a 160gb harddrive - motherboard - ram - cpu - video card (compatible one mind you) - sound card and casing for 200 bucks? Wii1080p

Onboard video and onboard sound nowadays are strong enough to support 5.1 and aux video. You don't need a freaking PCI card to run high end video. -_-. You also don't need an extravagantly large ammount of RAM. We're talking a pure multi-media rig here, not some gaming rig. The only things you'd need to buy is a mobo with decent onboard sound and video, about 512mb or ram, a hdd, and CPU. That oculd easily be achieved for 280-350 excluding shipping costs.

Um... dual core processors are recomended to process and decode DTS-HD, Dolby TrueHD or even to process LPCM 5.1 audio.

But its not required at all. Onboard sound can easilly handle 5.1 nowadays, and high end video can be done on onboard video cards now. You don't need extravagant PCI cards to handle these features.
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[QUOTE="Kinitari"]okay, so are you saying I can get a 160gb harddrive - motherboard - ram - cpu - video card (compatible one mind you) - sound card and casing for 200 bucks? Vandalvideo
Onboard video and onboard sound nowadays are strong enough to support 5.1 and aux video. You don't need a freaking PCI card to run high end video. -_-. You also don't need an extravagantly large ammount of RAM. We're talking a pure multi-media rig here, not some gaming rig. The only things you'd need to buy is a mobo with decent onboard sound and video, about 512mb or ram, a hdd, and CPU. That oculd easily be achieved for 280-350 excluding shipping costs.

So... 280-350 + 200 bucks = 480-550. Excluding shipping - and that is giving you a pretty large benifit of the doubt.

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How much would it cost to buy a new 160 gig Hard Drive for every 5 movies that you own?

Discs are cheaper.

Wii1080p

so ? you could

1) download them

2) watch them

3) if you like it, you can but them on discs

4) if you dont like them you can throw them away

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Kinitari"]okay, so are you saying I can get a 160gb harddrive - motherboard - ram - cpu - video card (compatible one mind you) - sound card and casing for 200 bucks? Kinitari

Onboard video and onboard sound nowadays are strong enough to support 5.1 and aux video. You don't need a freaking PCI card to run high end video. -_-. You also don't need an extravagantly large ammount of RAM. We're talking a pure multi-media rig here, not some gaming rig. The only things you'd need to buy is a mobo with decent onboard sound and video, about 512mb or ram, a hdd, and CPU. That oculd easily be achieved for 280-350 excluding shipping costs.

So... 280-350 + 200 bucks = 480-550. Excluding shipping - and that is giving you a pretty large benifit of the doubt.

Where did you get that pricing at? You could get a decent mobo/ram/cpu comob for about 120, a HDD for about 85, a case for 30, a universal remote for 20, a PSU for about 30, and that leaves you about an extra 100 for whatever else. Not to mention most PC sites offer free shipping.
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#22 Wii1080p
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Also, when ICT flags are implemented, downloading HD movies will be useless.

Movie studios will never allow downloading to be the norm. They would never make any money.

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im a pirate when it comes to HD movieswhoody12
Congratulations. We'll pay, but don't you worry about that. What makes you think you're better than most other people?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144151 $33

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115013 $117

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825180006 $ 6 ( I know its crappy but good enough for the internet)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101017 $270

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148166 $100

thats a total of: $526

then you can:

1. internet

2.watch every movie you want ( HD, Blueray, X264)

PS3: wel, that thing is $600 anyway, so that is no competition

Xbox360:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874103051 $188

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874100002 $300

total price: $488

so if you pay 38 bucks more, you have a PC what can play anything you want

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#25 Vandalvideo
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Random Media Rigwhoody12
You realize you bought 2 Core 2 Duos right? One with the case and another on the side. -_-
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#26 Wii1080p
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144151 $33

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115013 $117

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825180006 $ 6 ( I know its crappy but good enough for the internet)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101017 $270

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148166 $100

thats a total of: $526

then you can:

1. internet

2.watch every movie you want ( HD, Blueray, X264)

PS3: wel, that thing is $600 anyway, so that is no competition

Xbox360:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874103051 $188

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874100002 $300

total price: $488

so if you pay 38 bucks more, you have a PC what can play anything you want

whoody12

Uh... no video card? No motherboard? :D

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#27 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="whoody12"]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144151 $33

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115013 $117

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825180006 $ 6 ( I know its crappy but good enough for the internet)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101017 $270

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148166 $100

thats a total of: $526

then you can:

1. internet

2.watch every movie you want ( HD, Blueray, X264)

PS3: wel, that thing is $600 anyway, so that is no competition

Xbox360:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874103051 $188

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874100002 $300

total price: $488

so if you pay 38 bucks more, you have a PC what can play anything you want

Wii1080p

Uh... no video card? No motherboard? :D

The stock case he bought came with a CPU and MOBO. The MOBO has onboard sound and video.
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Ah, then the system is useless...

since the integrated video card is not HDCP compliant. Blu-Ray movies would be de-rezzed down to 480p quality.

You need a video card that is HDCP compliant in order to watch Blu-Ray movies in 1080p.

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Ah, then the system is useless...

since the integrated video card is not HDCP compliant. Blu-Ray movies would be de-rezzed down to 480p quality.

You need a video card that is HDCP compliant in order to watch Blu-Ray movies in 1080p.

Wii1080p
Yup, but there are onboard chips that do support HDCP. I wasn't saying his buildilng of a rig was great.
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I'm also not sure whether this rig would be able to smoothly process Dolby TrueHD or even LPCM 5.1-7.1...
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I'm also not sure whether this rig would be able to smoothly process Dolby TrueHD or even LPCM 5.1-7.1...Wii1080p
But there are onboard sound that does support 7.1 and even EAX. Its a matter of finding a mobo with an onboard video and sound that can work those two. Like I said, you don't need fancy PCI cards for these features.
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[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]I'm also not sure whether this rig would be able to smoothly process Dolby TrueHD or even LPCM 5.1-7.1...Vandalvideo
But there are onboard sound that does support 7.1 and even EAX. Its a matter of finding a mobo with an onboard video and sound that can work those two. Like I said, you don't need fancy PCI cards for these features.

What kind of 7.1?

Just simple Dolby Digital or DTS,

Or Lossless audio (AKA High Definition Audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master, or LPCM 5.1-7.1?

Decoding and playing lossless audio takes up quite a bit of processing power.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]I'm also not sure whether this rig would be able to smoothly process Dolby TrueHD or even LPCM 5.1-7.1...Wii1080p

But there are onboard sound that does support 7.1 and even EAX. Its a matter of finding a mobo with an onboard video and sound that can work those two. Like I said, you don't need fancy PCI cards for these features.

What kind of 7.1?

Just simple Dolby Digital or DTS,

Or Lossless audio (AKA High Definition Audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master, or LPCM 5.1-7.1?

Decoding and playing lossless audio takes up quite a bit of processing power.

And CPUs are cheap. You don't need a dual core processor. Heck, even a 2.4GHZ processor single core could do the job if you dedicate resources. They only run about what, 85 dollars now? You don't need an extravagant machine with PCI cards and dual core processor with 2 gigs of ram to just run HIGH DEFINITION video and audio.
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Ah, then the system is useless...

since the integrated video card is not HDCP compliant. Blu-Ray movies would be de-rezzed down to 480p quality.

You need a video card that is HDCP compliant in order to watch Blu-Ray movies in 1080p.

Wii1080p
You can simply get the M2A-VM mobo, it has HDMI built-in and it's HDCP compliant. gnutux
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[QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]I'm also not sure whether this rig would be able to smoothly process Dolby TrueHD or even LPCM 5.1-7.1...Vandalvideo

But there are onboard sound that does support 7.1 and even EAX. Its a matter of finding a mobo with an onboard video and sound that can work those two. Like I said, you don't need fancy PCI cards for these features.

What kind of 7.1?

Just simple Dolby Digital or DTS,

Or Lossless audio (AKA High Definition Audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master, or LPCM 5.1-7.1?

Decoding and playing lossless audio takes up quite a bit of processing power.

And CPUs are cheap. You don't need a dual core processor. Heck, even a 2.4GHZ processor single core could do the job if you dedicate resources. They only run about what, 85 dollars now? You don't need an extravagant machine with PCI cards and dual core processor with 2 gigs of ram to just run HIGH DEFINITION video and audio.

My Pentium 4 2.53 GHz machine can't even handle HD with 1 GB of RAM. (My video card is GeForce 6600). That's why I rely my X360 to render HD movies, I have to change its format and stream it to my X360. gnutux
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]I'm also not sure whether this rig would be able to smoothly process Dolby TrueHD or even LPCM 5.1-7.1...gnutux

But there are onboard sound that does support 7.1 and even EAX. Its a matter of finding a mobo with an onboard video and sound that can work those two. Like I said, you don't need fancy PCI cards for these features.

What kind of 7.1?

Just simple Dolby Digital or DTS,

Or Lossless audio (AKA High Definition Audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master, or LPCM 5.1-7.1?

Decoding and playing lossless audio takes up quite a bit of processing power.

And CPUs are cheap. You don't need a dual core processor. Heck, even a 2.4GHZ processor single core could do the job if you dedicate resources. They only run about what, 85 dollars now? You don't need an extravagant machine with PCI cards and dual core processor with 2 gigs of ram to just run HIGH DEFINITION video and audio.

My Pentium 4 2.53 GHz machine can't even handle HD with 1 GB of RAM. (My video card is GeForce 6600). That's why I rely my X360 to render HD movies, I have to change its format and stream it to my X360. gnutux

Oh really? Games have been running in HD on PC since late 1980s. A Pentium 4 can handle HD games. -_-
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#38 Wii1080p
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[QUOTE="gnutux"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Wii1080p"]I'm also not sure whether this rig would be able to smoothly process Dolby TrueHD or even LPCM 5.1-7.1...Vandalvideo

But there are onboard sound that does support 7.1 and even EAX. Its a matter of finding a mobo with an onboard video and sound that can work those two. Like I said, you don't need fancy PCI cards for these features.

What kind of 7.1?

Just simple Dolby Digital or DTS,

Or Lossless audio (AKA High Definition Audio), such as Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master, or LPCM 5.1-7.1?

Decoding and playing lossless audio takes up quite a bit of processing power.

And CPUs are cheap. You don't need a dual core processor. Heck, even a 2.4GHZ processor single core could do the job if you dedicate resources. They only run about what, 85 dollars now? You don't need an extravagant machine with PCI cards and dual core processor with 2 gigs of ram to just run HIGH DEFINITION video and audio.

My Pentium 4 2.53 GHz machine can't even handle HD with 1 GB of RAM. (My video card is GeForce 6600). That's why I rely my X360 to render HD movies, I have to change its format and stream it to my X360. gnutux

Oh really? Games have been running in HD on PC since late 1980s. A Pentium 4 can handle HD games. -_-

Those games werent NATIVELY HD.