Blu-Ray doesn't make games longer, look at HS and Uncharted.

No. No, no, no, no. That doesn't make any sense at all.

What you fanboyish people don't realize is that potential and actual outcome is totally different. PS3 has the potential for a much longer game (and I'm sure that will, to some degree, be apparant in the JRPGs), but when developers choose to aim at different goals, how can you expect the game to be 100 hours long? How do you NOT realize that the size of the BR is distributed differently for a game, with the goal not being length? It's common sense, and the only reason for not understanding that would be "I own a 360" or "I like whining".

They are ignorant.

I thought it obvious that the only good thing Blu-ray was good for was all the pretty cut-scenes they can add.

your so right about the length of the games. take a game like GTA, sure the stories are the same for 360 and ps3, but you could fit a city 5 times bigger on the blu-ray (ps3) version.

Blu-Ray CAN make games longer

Blu-ray so far has not made games longer

How can 1st generation PlayStation 2 games be printedto CD-ROM, blue bottoms and eventually changed to DVD to stop CD pirating. Only to be completely abandoned for Blu-Ray Disc use when it came to PS3. Did Sony ever use DVD9 for PS2, no, they're discs were all single layer. PS3 could have been made as a DVD9 system, it would have been far cheaper to produce to. Gamers would have got that $299 system like PS2.

your so right about the length of the games. take a game like GTA, sure the stories are the same for 360 and ps3, but you could fit a city 5 times bigger on the blu-ray (ps3) version.

mclovin401

Blu-Ray CAN make games longer

Blu-ray so far has not made games longer

-D3MO-

How can 1st generation PlayStation 2 games be printedto CD-ROM, blue bottoms and eventually changed to DVD to stop CD pirating. Only to be completely abandoned for Blu-Ray Disc use. Did Sony ever use DVD9 for PS2, no, they're discs were all single layer. PS3 could have been made as a DVD9 system, it would have been far cheaper to produce to. Gamers would have got that $299 system like PS2.

c_smithii

Wrong, and no, BR does not cost $300 per console. I hate it when people present "facts" that support their claims when these "facts" are false.

[QUOTE="mclovin401"]

your so right about the length of the games. take a game like GTA, sure the stories are the same for 360 and ps3, but you could fit a city 5 times bigger on the blu-ray (ps3) version.

myke2010

Nah, you could always render the things when you get closer to them. I'm not talking GTASA-like when you could see the buildings take shape, I'm talking about more far than that, which would be possible since the GTA4 world is supposed to be huge.

who said it would make games longer in the first place?

blu ray just alows developers to fit more useless crap on one disc.

who said it would make games longer in the first place?

blu ray just alows developers to fit more useless crap on one disc.

---OkeyDokey---

Without the useless part though.

[QUOTE="c_smithii"]

How can 1st generation PlayStation 2 games be printedto CD-ROM, blue bottoms and eventually changed to DVD to stop CD pirating. Only to be completely abandoned for Blu-Ray Disc use. Did Sony ever use DVD9 for PS2, no, they're discs were all single layer. PS3 could have been made as a DVD9 system, it would have been far cheaper to produce to. Gamers would have got that $299 system like PS2.

Xolver

Wrong, and no, BR does not cost $300 per console. I hate it when people present "facts" that support their claims when these "facts" are false.

Oh please go back and re-read what I wrote. Where did I say BR would cost $300. I SAID if Sony went the DVD9 route with PS3 they could released a $299 system!

[QUOTE="Xolver"][QUOTE="c_smithii"]

How can 1st generation PlayStation 2 games be printedto CD-ROM, blue bottoms and eventually changed to DVD to stop CD pirating. Only to be completely abandoned for Blu-Ray Disc use. Did Sony ever use DVD9 for PS2, no, they're discs were all single layer. PS3 could have been made as a DVD9 system, it would have been far cheaper to produce to. Gamers would have got that $299 system like PS2.

c_smithii

Wrong, and no, BR does not cost $300 per console. I hate it when people present "facts" that support their claims when these "facts" are false.

Oh please go back and re-read what I wrote. Where did I say BR would cost $300. I SAID if Sony went the DVD9 route with PS3 they could released a $299 system!

Do you not know basic math?

[QUOTE="c_smithii"][QUOTE="Xolver"][QUOTE="c_smithii"]

How can 1st generation PlayStation 2 games be printedto CD-ROM, blue bottoms and eventually changed to DVD to stop CD pirating. Only to be completely abandoned for Blu-Ray Disc use. Did Sony ever use DVD9 for PS2, no, they're discs were all single layer. PS3 could have been made as a DVD9 system, it would have been far cheaper to produce to. Gamers would have got that $299 system like PS2.

Xolver

Wrong, and no, BR does not cost $300 per console. I hate it when people present "facts" that support their claims when these "facts" are false.

Oh please go back and re-read what I wrote. Where did I say BR would cost $300. I SAID if Sony went the DVD9 route with PS3 they could released a $299 system!

Do you not know basic math?

Can you comprehend before mis-quoting someone? ;)

So why can't this game fit on DVD9 again? I thought I heard a while back that they would be taking up a sizable chunk of a DVD9 just be sending out a demo.Blackbond

Because of the uncompressed media it used and the cut scenes. I'm guessing about the cut scenes, but uncompressed media takes a crap load of space.

The fact is that the potential is there yet I doubt anyone will use it. Last gen, very few Xbox games filled the limit. Only Halo and Ninja Gaiden were over 4.7 gig.

PS3 has potential, but it is currently in last place. If anyone will take advantage it will have to be 1st party. No 3rd party will take extra time to make a good PS3 game when it has the lowest installed base and low game sales. Not to mention 3rd parties seem to have problems just getting mulltiplats to run right.

[QUOTE="Xolver"][QUOTE="c_smithii"][QUOTE="Xolver"][QUOTE="c_smithii"]

How can 1st generation PlayStation 2 games be printedto CD-ROM, blue bottoms and eventually changed to DVD to stop CD pirating. Only to be completely abandoned for Blu-Ray Disc use. Did Sony ever use DVD9 for PS2, no, they're discs were all single layer. PS3 could have been made as a DVD9 system, it would have been far cheaper to produce to. Gamers would have got that $299 system like PS2.

c_smithii

Wrong, and no, BR does not cost $300 per console. I hate it when people present "facts" that support their claims when these "facts" are false.

Oh please go back and re-read what I wrote. Where did I say BR would cost $300. I SAID if Sony went the DVD9 route with PS3 they could released a $299 system!

Do you not know basic math?

Can you comprehend before mis-quoting someone? ;)

Alright, what was the price of the original PS3?

-

What's the price you suggest?

=

What's the price of BR?

I thought it obvious that the only good thing Blu-ray was good for was all the pretty cut-scenes they can add.

books83

Look into uncompressed media please.

Don't mean to seem rude, but I always repeat myself when it comes to this stuff lol.

Alright, what was the price of the original PS3?

-

What's the price you suggest?

=

What's the price of BR?

Xolver

What was the price of the PlayStation?

What was the price of the PlayStation 2?

Should have = the Price of PlayStation 3

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]So why can't this game fit on DVD9 again? I thought I heard a while back that they would be taking up a sizable chunk of a DVD9 just be sending out a demo.Chutebox

Because of the uncompressed media it used and the cut scenes. I'm guessing about the cut scenes, but uncompressed media takes a crap load of space.

Well wouldn't compressing it eliminate the need for "NEEDING" Blu-Ray for this game?

blu-ray Can make games longer but there are still none yet. look at the elder scrolls 4 on the xbox 360, length has been proven. but really i will debate something about the blu-ray hype i don't like.

i remember when i heard all this stuff about "more characters, more vehicles, more maps, more weapons" its simply not always going to be true. microtransactions are more likely.

developers won't take the time to do that.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]So why can't this game fit on DVD9 again? I thought I heard a while back that they would be taking up a sizable chunk of a DVD9 just be sending out a demo.Blackbond

Because of the uncompressed media it used and the cut scenes. I'm guessing about the cut scenes, but uncompressed media takes a crap load of space.

Well wouldn't compressing it eliminate the need for "NEEDING" Blu-Ray for this game?

Well yes, ofcourse, but you lose quality with compressing videos and sound.

How can 1st generation PlayStation 2 games be printedto CD-ROM, blue bottoms and eventually changed to DVD to stop CD pirating. Only to be completely abandoned for Blu-Ray Disc use when it came to PS3. Did Sony ever use DVD9 for PS2, no, they're discs were all single layer. PS3 could have been made as a DVD9 system, it would have been far cheaper to produce to. Gamers would have got that $299 system like PS2.

c_smithii

i thought God of war is in dvd9 or perhaps im wrong

[QUOTE="Xolver"]

Alright, what was the price of the original PS3?

-

What's the price you suggest?

=

What's the price of BR?

c_smithii

What was the price of the PlayStation?

What was the price of the PlayStation 2?

Should have = the Price of PlayStation 3

God, I hate it when people weasel out of sensical arguments with crap.

You mentioned nothing with BR's price, so what's the point of saying I'm wrong twice only so you come up with a different argument?

[QUOTE="c_smithii"]

How can 1st generation PlayStation 2 games be printedto CD-ROM, blue bottoms and eventually changed to DVD to stop CD pirating. Only to be completely abandoned for Blu-Ray Disc use when it came to PS3. Did Sony ever use DVD9 for PS2, no, they're discs were all single layer. PS3 could have been made as a DVD9 system, it would have been far cheaper to produce to. Gamers would have got that $299 system like PS2.

heaven_in_hell

i thought God of war is in dvd9 or perhaps im wrong

Its up to deelopers to make games longer by using the large capacity of bluray.

bluray can make games longer if a game developer wishes to.

its nots blurays fault that games are short

Final Fantasy Tactics was 300mb and was like 60h to 80h.

Size of the media has nothing to do with the size of the game, but It does allow higher quality and more variety of content however.

Final Fantasy Tactics was 300mb and was like 60h to 80h.

Size of the media has nothing to do with the size of the game, but It does allow higher quality and more variety of content however.

lordxymor

I'm kinda tired of hearing that as-well. Of course size has to do with length, but it's only to a certain degree.

[QUOTE="c_smithii"][QUOTE="Xolver"]

Alright, what was the price of the original PS3?

-

What's the price you suggest?

=

What's the price of BR?

Xolver

What was the price of the PlayStation?

What was the price of the PlayStation 2?

Should have = the Price of PlayStation 3

God, I hate it when people weasel out of sensical arguments with crap.

You mentioned nothing with BR's price, so what's the point of saying I'm wrong twice only so you come up with a different argument?

I feel bad for you Xolver, this guy just doesn't get that his original post was worded wrong.

nope. development for games is getting more complicated every year. To make a game with excellent graphics, sound, story, animations, effects, gameplay and lenght, it will take a lot of time.

But blu ray can store more uncompressed files.. so that's good.

Its going to take some major sales of PS3 consoles before devs start putting that much time and money into a PS3 title. But I think that is happening. PS3 sales are picking up and I don't think they will slow. And with a larger install base, devs will see more money potential in making a great game even greater by extending its length.

Seriously, anyone who points at HS and says, "teh look, blu-ray isn't maing any games longer," is failing to have a clue. The blu-ray didn't limit the game, thats the point. That even with devs having to use more capacity in order to make up for some hardware shortcommings, they have the room. Which is much more than can be said for 360. No standard HDD and no standard large capacity disc media. There's nothing to lean on there without screwing someone.

actually it was the cows who started "bluray means larger worlds with longer games b/c of the disk storage capacity"-thing...

lems are simply pointing the light at the silliness in that claim....

this claim has been ongoing since the announcement of bluray even before the ps3 launched...

Blue ray should be called Blue Hobbit... It makes games short and fat in size and shape. Plus it can't out run a human with is stubbly little legs.Truth_Hurts_U

Tell me, wizard. How does blu-ray make a game short?

Longer Games = More Developing Time = Higher Budget = Most Sony PS3 developers can't afford

Tell me, wizard. How does blu-ray make a game short?

The_Crucible

Tell me fanboy... Ever play HS?

Ever play Motorstorm.... LOOOADDINGGG. Plus the amount of tracks suck.

Resistance is 8 hours... Where is my 10+ hours on blu ray?

The short games on PS3 are still coming. I'm tired of wasting money on crap. Though I like Motorstorm.

All you ever hear is dev's saying my game is bigger then your game and it wont fit DVD... Then it releases and it short and crappy.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Tell me, wizard. How does blu-ray make a game short?

Truth_Hurts_U

Tell me fanboy... Ever play HS?

Ever play Motorstorm.... LOOOADDINGGG. Plus the amount of tracks suck.

Resistance is 8 hours... Where is my 10+ hours on blu ray?

The short games on PS3 are still coming. I'm tired of wasting money on crap. Though I like Motorstorm.

All you ever hear is dev's saying my game is bigger then your game and it wont fit DVD... Then it releases and it short and crappy.

Just what I thought, you avoid the quesation, not even to come close to answering it.

Yeah, the games you listed are short. What does that have to do with blu-ray?

Just what I thought, you avoid the quesation, not even to come close to answering it.

Yeah, the games you listed are short. What does that have to do with blu-ray?

The_Crucible

Just what I thought, avoiding the proof. I have yet to see this stunning game, with mind blowing graphics and length on a blu Ray disc.

Next gen maybe. But at this rate... My $60 is just paying for future next gen (longer) blu ray titles. I want them now.... not 5 or more years later.

It depends. Considering many games, if demanding enough, require the Bluray disk to contain redundant information in order to statistically boost average read speeds. Then tack on the fact that games on the PS3 are less compressed then on the XBox 360. In reality, it all depends, since theoretically a game could be shorter on the PS3 due to these two factors.

If a game is released, by an unbiased company, that essentially has less gameplay elements (whether it be levels or game modes - w/e), and says the content was cut due to the smaller size of the DVD9 disk - only then will you have a real argument. Theoretically, one could say, some game may be shorter