Bluray is needed, it's clear

Bluray's capacity is necessary for space development of games. Games are beginning to grow in size and in some cases is causing multiple discs for 360 games. Not to mention the benefit of bluray's being unscratchable.

This large capacity game in development called "Rage" will be on 1 bluray and 2 360 discs. I'll bet more and more games will be multiple on 360 ahead.

http://www.gametrailers.com/platformlist/ps3/index.html

Ya, because showing that games are growing and need more space doesn't validate Bluray. You're a fanboy not to admitt to this growing fact. MS should've included bluray it's a great technology to take advantage of.

of course it is.

Ya, because showing that games are growing and need more space doesn't validate Bluray. You're a fanboy not to admitt to this growing fact. MS should've included bluray it's a great technology to take advantage of.

patriots7672

i disagree

bluray is never necessary

its as simple as insert disk, intstall,

oh look disk 2!!!

install ovar play

you act like multiple disks never existed before and is such a bad thing

are the cows ignoring their glory days or something?

most of the good games on psx and ps2 had multiple disks some upwards of 4 disks

I'm sure Gears 2 would look just as good as UT3 if space wasn't a constraint. So yes, blu ray is needed for further progress of console games.

yawn, same story, same bs, same fanboy, Tell Brady I said break a leg win the season starts.too_much_eslim

i disagree

bluray is never necessary

its as simple as insert disk, intstall,

oh look disk 2!!!

install ovar play

you act like multiple disks never existed before and is such a bad thing

are the cows ignoring their glory days or something?

most of the good games on psx and ps2 had multiple disks some upwards of 4 disks

shadow_hosi

Did the PS2 have any multi disk titles? The only one I can think of is Star Ocean 3.

Maybe we should wait until this game comes out before we start claiming Blu-ray is needed.

Blu-ray can be helpful for gaming.... "needed", no.

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

i disagree

bluray is never necessary

its as simple as insert disk, intstall,

oh look disk 2!!!

install ovar play

you act like multiple disks never existed before and is such a bad thing

are the cows ignoring their glory days or something?

most of the good games on psx and ps2 had multiple disks some upwards of 4 disks

Gxgear

Did the PS2 have any multi disk titles? The only one I can think of is Star Ocean 3.

very game i kept from it is atleast 2 disks

and i only kept the good games

also the fact that it proves that bluray is not needed by any means

switching disks wont kill you

most of the people crying about it must have just started gamign last gen

only time will tell my friend.. but your right and people will realise as there games stay the same, and ares get better, they will realise

The way it is becoming bluray's capacity is the obvious solution. When HDDs become limited by capacity they create new ones and we use them because we need more space. The capacity of the disc is no different, but MS made a console that uses HD capabilities which requires larger games and greater disc capacity without upgrading to a higher capacity disc. I think that is unwise. Also I can upgrade my PS3 to any size and any brand HDD. Sony was wise to go to a disc formatt that goes far beyond any capacity that games would require this generation instead of staying with a very limited capacity disc that can't be increased. Also MS went without HDMI origionally and then added it later. Sony seems to understand better what games require for this HD gaming generation and MS is adapting as they go.

I'm not sure if Bluray is a must, since 360 has been fine without it. I will say, however, that I really hate getting up and switching disks while im playing.

An install option would bypass this, of course, but I can see a problem arise from that due to the limited capacity of HDDs without upgrades (especially the 360 arcade version).

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

i disagree

bluray is never necessary

its as simple as insert disk, intstall,

oh look disk 2!!!

install ovar play

you act like multiple disks never existed before and is such a bad thing

are the cows ignoring their glory days or something?

most of the good games on psx and ps2 had multiple disks some upwards of 4 disks

shadow_hosi

Did the PS2 have any multi disk titles? The only one I can think of is Star Ocean 3.

very game i kept from it is atleast 2 disks

and i only kept the good games

also the fact that it proves that bluray is not needed by any means

switching disks wont kill you

most of the people crying about it must have just started gamign last gen

So do you want multiple HDDs for your 360 or PS3? I don't. It's the same for discs. Why go with a disc formatt that requires multiple when there's a formatt that requires only 1 disc and they also have the benefit of being unscratchable? It's simple, because MS didn't want to invest in the better technology. And to boot PS3 games on these better discs cost no more to buy games for than does 360 games.

The way it is becoming bluray's capacity is the obvious solution. When HDDs become limited by capacity they create new ones and we use them because we need more space. The capacity of the disc is no different, but MS made a console that uses HD capabilities which requires larger games and greater disc capacity without upgrading to a higher capacity disc. I think that is unwise. Also I can upgrade my PS3 to any size and any brand HDD. Sony was wise to go to a disc formatt that goes far beyond any capacity that games would require this generation instead of staying with a very limited capacity disc that can't be increased. Also MS went without HDMI origionally and then added it later. Sony seems to understand better what games require for this HD gaming generation and MS is adapting as they go.

patriots7672

pc games play at 2560 x 1600 and only require 1 dvd.

/thread

Didn't the winning platform last gen, which had one of the best game lineups ever, frequently use multiple discs? Doesn't that sort of suggest that, you know, multiple discs just ain't that bad?Shafftehr

Some games have to be designed to work on 1 disc so all on the game can be accessed during gameplay. I believe UT 3 was designed this way. What's better a 500gb HDD or a 100gb HDD? It's no different with disc capacity. And the cost difference between a 100gb HDD and a 500gb HDD is $20 or less but you get 5 times the space. With bluray games and standard dvd games the price is the same.

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Did the PS2 have any multi disk titles? The only one I can think of is Star Ocean 3.

very game i kept from it is atleast 2 disks

and i only kept the good games

also the fact that it proves that bluray is not needed by any means

switching disks wont kill you

most of the people crying about it must have just started gamign last gen

So do you want multiple HDDs for your 360 or PS3? I don't. It's the same for discs. Why go with a disc formatt that requires multiple when there's a formatt that requires only 1 disc and they also have the benefit of being unscratchable? It's simple, because MS didn't want to invest in the better technology. And to boot PS3 games on these better discs cost no more to buy games for than does 360 games.

It's not "needed" but is certainly nice to have. I hear a lot of fanboys cry about using DVD's for the next forever, but guaranteed the majority jumped on the DVD wagon when it was rolling right on past VHS.

We need to get over the association of Blu-Ray and Sony's PS3. Blu-Ray is fantastic technology for all aspects of the technological world. As it advances drive speeds will get much faster, and eventually something will roll on by and replace Blu-Ray.

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Didn't the winning platform last gen, which had one of the best game lineups ever, frequently use multiple discs? Doesn't that sort of suggest that, you know, multiple discs just ain't that bad?patriots7672

Some games have to be designed to work on 1 disc so all on the game can be accessed during gameplay. I believe UT 3 was designed this way. What's better a 500gb HDD or a 100gb HDD? It's no different with disc capacity. And the cost difference between a 100gb HDD and a 500gb HDD is $20 or less but you get 5 times the space. With bluray games and standard dvd games the price is the same.

It's not "needed" but is certainly nice to have. I hear a lot of fanboys cry about using DVD's for the next forever, but guaranteed the majority jumped on the DVD wagon when it was rolling right on past VHS.

We need to get over the association of Blu-Ray and Sony's PS3. Blu-Ray is fantastic technology for all aspects of the technological world. As it advances drive speeds will get much faster, and eventually something will roll on by and replace Blu-Ray.

lundy86_4

those already exist. DD and HVD. the cons are that DD requires very high bandwidth (which not every one here in the states have) and that the bandwidth and not be capped with a monthly limit (like in europe). when DD have the video quality of HD DVD/Blu-ray and the speed of cable VoD, then it'll take over. HVD on the other hand, can store upto 1TB per disc. con: extremely expensive. BD is a good solution for now but it won't live the life DVD has and it won't come anywhere as close to CD's 30 year life span.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

It's not "needed" but is certainly nice to have. I hear a lot of fanboys cry about using DVD's for the next forever, but guaranteed the majority jumped on the DVD wagon when it was rolling right on past VHS.

We need to get over the association of Blu-Ray and Sony's PS3. Blu-Ray is fantastic technology for all aspects of the technological world. As it advances drive speeds will get much faster, and eventually something will roll on by and replace Blu-Ray.

cowgriller

those already exist. DD and HVD. the cons are that DD requires very high bandwidth (which not every one here in the states have) and that the bandwidth and not be capped with a monthly limit (like in europe). when DD have the video quality of HD DVD/Blu-ray and the speed of cable VoD, then it'll take over. HVD on the other hand, can store upto 1TB per disc. con: extremely expensive. BD is a good solution for now but it won't live the life DVD has and it won't come anywhere as close to CD's 30 year life span.

Ahhh very true... Agreed DD will not take over for a while. I live in Canada right now and I still get a 60gb bandwidth cap at $60 a month. Technology advances so fast now that nothing is going to stay in place long, unless the market decides so.

Bluray's capacity is necessary for space development of games. Games are beginning to grow in size and in some cases is causing multiple discs for 360 games. Not to mention the benefit of bluray's being unscratchable.

This large capacity game in development called "Rage" will be on 1 bluray and 2 360 discs. I'll bet more and more games will be multiple on 360 ahead.

http://www.gametrailers.com/platformlist/ps3/index.html

patriots7672

And if you don't have a big Hard Drive, since when is a disc swap a deal breaker? You don't complain about MGS4's incredible 5 (Just count them!) lengthy installs, but somehow swapping a disc one time during a game is like getting testicular cancer in your mind.

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Bluray's capacity is necessary for space development of games. Games are beginning to grow in size and in some cases is causing multiple discs for 360 games. Not to mention the benefit of bluray's being unscratchable.

This large capacity game in development called "Rage" will be on 1 bluray and 2 360 discs. I'll bet more and more games will be multiple on 360 ahead.

http://www.gametrailers.com/platformlist/ps3/index.html

donalbane

And if you don't have a big Hard Drive, since when is a disc swap a deal breaker? You don't complain about MGS4's incredible 5 (Just count them!) lengthy installs, but somehow swapping a disc one time during a game is like getting testicular cancer in your mind.

5 lengthy installs... you mean about 4-5 minutes per chapter (chapters are pretty damn big aswell)... that's not exactly lengthy

Bluray's capacity is necessary for space development of games. Games are beginning to grow in size and in some cases is causing multiple discs for 360 games. Not to mention the benefit of bluray's being unscratchable.

This large capacity game in development called "Rage" will be on 1 bluray and 2 360 discs. I'll bet more and more games will be multiple on 360 ahead.

http://www.gametrailers.com/platformlist/ps3/index.html

patriots7672

I'm sure Gears 2 would look just as good as UT3 if space wasn't a constraint. So yes, blu ray is needed for further progress of console games.

PSdual_wielder

[QUOTE="donalbane"]

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Bluray's capacity is necessary for space development of games. Games are beginning to grow in size and in some cases is causing multiple discs for 360 games. Not to mention the benefit of bluray's being unscratchable.

This large capacity game in development called "Rage" will be on 1 bluray and 2 360 discs. I'll bet more and more games will be multiple on 360 ahead.

http://www.gametrailers.com/platformlist/ps3/index.html

lundy86_4

And if you don't have a big Hard Drive, since when is a disc swap a deal breaker? You don't complain about MGS4's incredible 5 (Just count them!) lengthy installs, but somehow swapping a disc one time during a game is like getting testicular cancer in your mind.

5 lengthy installs... you mean about 4-5 minutes per chapter (chapters are pretty damn big aswell)... that's not exactly lengthy

Conclusion: If you want to complain about disc swapping because of it's inconvenience, you have to judge other technical limitations (like, I dunno... say the slow-as-molasses access speeds of the PS3's Blu-Ray drive that's responsible for MGS4's numerousinstalls) with the same scrutiny. (Well, you don't have to... only if you want to be taken seriously.)

5 lengthy installs... you mean about 4-5 minutes per chapter (chapters are pretty damn big aswell)... that's not exactly lengthylundy86_4

who cares about the disc medium when games require installs?Ontain

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="donalbane"] Have you heard about the 360's ability to install multi-disc games on the Hard Drive?

And if you don't have a big Hard Drive, since when is a disc swap a deal breaker? You don't complain about MGS4's incredible 5 (Just count them!) lengthy installs, but somehow swapping a disc one time during a game is like getting testicular cancer in your mind.

donalbane

5 lengthy installs... you mean about 4-5 minutes per chapter (chapters are pretty damn big aswell)... that's not exactly lengthy

Conclusion: If you want to complain about disc swapping because of it's inconvenience, you have to judge other technical limitations (like, I dunno... say the slow-as-molasses access speeds of the PS3's Blu-Ray drive that's responsible for MGS4's numerousinstalls) with the same scrutiny. (Well, you don't have to... only if you want to be taken seriously.)

I don't care about disc swapping... I just played through the entirety of Star Ocean: The Last Hope. PS3's Blu-Ray drive has slow access speeds because it's 1st-gen tech. DVD was similar in restrictions. I don't really care about installs, as I install all my 360 games now (makes my 360 nice and quiet which I love :P)

[QUOTE="donalbane"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

5 lengthy installs... you mean about 4-5 minutes per chapter (chapters are pretty damn big aswell)... that's not exactly lengthy

Conclusion: If you want to complain about disc swapping because of it's inconvenience, you have to judge other technical limitations (like, I dunno... say the slow-as-molasses access speeds of the PS3's Blu-Ray drive that's responsible for MGS4's numerousinstalls) with the same scrutiny. (Well, you don't have to... only if you want to be taken seriously.)

I don't care about disc swapping... I just played through the entirety of Star Ocean: The Last Hope. PS3's Blu-Ray drive has slow access speeds because it's 1st-gen tech. DVD was similar in restrictions. I don't really care about installs, as I install all my 360 games now (makes my 360 nice and quiet which I love :P)

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]5 lengthy installs... you mean about 4-5 minutes per chapter (chapters are pretty damn big aswell)... that's not exactly lengthyShafftehr

I've been gaming since PS1 days (only 22), I'm just saying it's not exactly lengthy, not that I agree that it should be there. I don't find switching disks arduous either, I think people are just overreacting this gen when they have to move off the couch or go sit in the garden for 10-15 minutes.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="donalbane"] Compared to swapping a single disc once in the course of a game, the installs are gargantuan. You can't piss and moan about disc swapping and declare bluray necessary if you aren't willing to then step back and look at the concessions many of you grant to Sony on a regular basis.

Conclusion: If you want to complain about disc swapping because of it's inconvenience, you have to judge other technical limitations (like, I dunno... say the slow-as-molasses access speeds of the PS3's Blu-Ray drive that's responsible for MGS4's numerousinstalls) with the same scrutiny. (Well, you don't have to... only if you want to be taken seriously.)

donalbane

I don't care about disc swapping... I just played through the entirety of Star Ocean: The Last Hope. PS3's Blu-Ray drive has slow access speeds because it's 1st-gen tech. DVD was similar in restrictions. I don't really care about installs, as I install all my 360 games now (makes my 360 nice and quiet which I love :P)

lol, the original poster is just a fanboy. I just try and see both sides of an argument and draw a reasonable conclusion. There's advantages and disadvantages to everything nowadays

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

The way it is becoming bluray's capacity is the obvious solution. When HDDs become limited by capacity they create new ones and we use them because we need more space. The capacity of the disc is no different, but MS made a console that uses HD capabilities which requires larger games and greater disc capacity without upgrading to a higher capacity disc. I think that is unwise. Also I can upgrade my PS3 to any size and any brand HDD. Sony was wise to go to a disc formatt that goes far beyond any capacity that games would require this generation instead of staying with a very limited capacity disc that can't be increased. Also MS went without HDMI origionally and then added it later. Sony seems to understand better what games require for this HD gaming generation and MS is adapting as they go.

cowgriller

pc games play at 2560 x 1600 and only require 1 dvd.

/thread

Ya, because showing that games are growing and need more space doesn't validate Bluray. You're a fanboy not to admitt to this growing fact. MS should've included bluray it's a great technology to take advantage of.

patriots7672

Ya, because showing that games are growing and need more space doesn't validate Bluray. You're a fanboy not to admitt to this growing fact. MS should've included bluray it's a great technology to take advantage of.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]

Ya, because showing that games are growing and need more space doesn't validate Bluray. You're a fanboy not to admitt to this growing fact. MS should've included bluray it's a great technology to take advantage of.

donalbane

That's why we need DD to become commonplace... We should all collectively move to Japan to take advantage of Fiber Optic speeds for $50... I mean cooooome on

i disagree

bluray is never necessary

its as simple as insert disk, intstall,

oh look disk 2!!!

install ovar play

you act like multiple disks never existed before and is such a bad thing

are the cows ignoring their glory days or something?

most of the good games on psx and ps2 had multiple disks some upwards of 4 disks

shadow_hosi

I never understood why disk swapping is frowned upon really what is so bad about changing a disk every few hours? Will Blu-Ray be needed for gaming eventually? Oh yeah definitely but it won't be needed until next generation.

Right now Blu-Ray is a luxury.

It's not needed, but not having to do a disk swap is nice.

However, Blu-Ray or somerthing similar may be needed next gen .

And the next Micrsoft console will be hurt next gen if it doesn't have any way to play HD movies other than Download.

i think it is needed, so many companys are saying publically that DVD disc sizes are too small, rockstar to name one have been pushing for bluray, anything that helps game developers can only be good right?hoosier7

Funny how alll you xbots say Blu Ray isnt necessary, but if HD DVD were to in you guys wouldve been all over it