Blu-Ray should not be a selling point for PS3

A couple of years ago when PS2 was released you could go to any shop and buy a movie, pop it into your ps2 and watch the movie.

Now you cant do that, say for instance I want to see LOTR, Transformers and Spiderman 3 in HD. I cant watch those movies all on my PS3, only spiderman 3. So I think PS3 should not be marketed as a movie player since not all movies are available. To watch every movie you want you have to have a HD DVD and Blu-ray player. This was not the problem for the PS2. So IMO PS3 is not a movie player for me. I'd rather wait for hybrid players which can play HD DVD and Blu-ray for watching movies.

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But.. if I can't watch movies on my ps3 what can I use it for?JimJackJose

Grilling?

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

trizzle_a

Thats what you're saying now, but you'll never know. Im gonna wait until one HD standard will be confirmed. Look what happend with betamax vs VHS. Blu ray looks strong now, but it may flop and another format may replace it. Untill blu-ray is not standard Im of opinion that PS3 should not be marketed as HD movie player since it cant play all movies.

But.. if I can't watch movies on my ps3 what can I use it for?JimJackJose

Um.... as a computer? :shock:

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

[QUOTE="trizzle_a"]

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

acekall

Thats what you're saying now, but you'll never know. Im gonna wait until one HD standard will be confirmed. Look what happend with betamax vs VHS. Blu ray looks strong now, but it may flop and another format may replace it. Untill blu-ray is not standard Im of opinion that PS3 should not be marketed as HD movie player since it cant play all movies.

So, with that argument: The stand-alone HD-DVD players shouldn't be marketed as HD movie players either. They too are not able to play all movies.

Weak argument, dude.

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

The_Crucible

it's not really a selling point...

if it were, there would be much more ps3 sold...

besides... bluray is not going as well as planned while hd dvd takes the lead in stand alone players... with the holiday season poised to push many hd dvd players and not so many bluray ones...

unfortunately for the cows and sony, console players don't sway the worldwide acceptance of a format. never has, never will...

http://chenhaixin.bb.engadgethd.com/2007/07/12/european-hd-dvd-lobbyists-claim-74-percent-market-share/

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+Inadvertedly+Reveals+Declining+BD+Sales/article8764.htm

there's a reason why the bda is counting the free br movies as "sales".... they need the hype.. they know they're losing in the long run...

ps... i'm pretty sure this is gonna get locked...

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

The_Crucible

i'll save time and just say, "Everything you said is wrong"... as usual...

but hey, don't stop now...you're one of the best liars on the board... :)

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

tango90101

i'll save time and just say, "Everything you said is wrong"... as usual...

but hey, don't stop now...you're one of the best liars on the board... :)

Where did I lie. Is blu-ray not outselling HD-DVD? Does blu-ray not have more capacity per layer than HD-DVD? Is there not a CHANCE that blu-ray will be needed if DVD fails this gen?

I don't lie. I give facts or opinions. You, on the other hand, love to twist words and make ignorant accusations. Most of the time, you don't even make sense.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

The_Crucible

i'll save time and just say, "Everything you said is wrong"... as usual...

but hey, don't stop now...you're one of the best liars on the board... :)

Where did I lie. Is blu-ray not outselling HD-DVD? Does blu-ray not have more capacity per layer than HD-DVD? Is there not a CHANCE that blu-ray will be needed if DVD fails this gen?

I don't lie. I give facts or opinions. You, on the other hand, love to twist words and make ignorant accusations. Most of the time, you don't even make sense.

You two have a love/hate relationship. Its hilarious. Its like your sworn enemies but best friends... ;)

[QUOTE="trizzle_a"]

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

acekall

Thats what you're saying now, but you'll never know. Im gonna wait until one HD standard will be confirmed. Look what happend with betamax vs VHS. Blu ray looks strong now, but it may flop and another format may replace it. Untill blu-ray is not standard Im of opinion that PS3 should not be marketed as HD movie player since it cant play all movies.

While it's not technically over, blu ray basically does have it won. They are outselling HD DVD everywhere, by wider margins outside of America even. Transformers was released on HD DVD and wasn't even the best selling HD format movie for the week. Also, ps3 can upscale(I think) dvds to hd format, and while not the same really, it's still nice to have.

A couple of years ago when PS2 was released you could go to any shop and buy a movie, pop it into your ps2 and watch the movie.

Now you cant do that, say for instance I want to see LOTR, Transformers and Spiderman 3 in HD. I cant watch those movies all on my PS3, only spiderman 3. So I think PS3 should not be marketed as a movie player since not all movies are available. To watch every movie you want you have to have a HD DVD and Blu-ray player. This was not the problem for the PS2. So IMO PS3 is not a movie player for me. I'd rather wait for hybrid players which can play HD DVD and Blu-ray for watching movies.

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acekall

LOTR is coming to blu ray, and they are the extended edition while HD DVD only gets the theatrical edition. As for your opinion that the Blu ray should not be a selling point because of the fomat war, thats just silly. It was a selling point to me because I love video games and movies so being able to see MOST of the movies I want in HD while still getting my ALL my DVDs upconverted means I can watch any movie I want on my PS3.

As for waiting for a hybrid player, lol, go ahead and waste your money, only one format will last and with Blu ray outselling HD DVDs 2-4:1 every months and it have more exclusive studios and bigger hit movies, HD DVD wont be around for much longer.

[QUOTE="acekall"][QUOTE="trizzle_a"]

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

Chutebox

Thats what you're saying now, but you'll never know. Im gonna wait until one HD standard will be confirmed. Look what happend with betamax vs VHS. Blu ray looks strong now, but it may flop and another format may replace it. Untill blu-ray is not standard Im of opinion that PS3 should not be marketed as HD movie player since it cant play all movies.

While it's not technically over, blu ray basically does have it won. They are outselling HD DVD everywhere, by wider margins outside of America even. Transformers was released on HD DVD and wasn't even the best selling HD format movie for the week. Also, ps3 can upscale(I think) dvds to hd format, and while not the same really, it's still nice to have.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

Magical_Zebra

i'll save time and just say, "Everything you said is wrong"... as usual...

but hey, don't stop now...you're one of the best liars on the board... :)

Where did I lie. Is blu-ray not outselling HD-DVD? Does blu-ray not have more capacity per layer than HD-DVD? Is there not a CHANCE that blu-ray will be needed if DVD fails this gen?

I don't lie. I give facts or opinions. You, on the other hand, love to twist words and make ignorant accusations. Most of the time, you don't even make sense.

You two have a love/hate relationship. Its hilarious. Its like your sworn enemies but best friends... ;)

There's no "best friends" about it. I can't stand Tango. He's the one poster on this site that I cannot deal with.

[QUOTE="trizzle_a"]

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

acekall

Thats what you're saying now, but you'll never know. Im gonna wait until one HD standard will be confirmed. Look what happend with betamax vs VHS. Blu ray looks strong now, but it may flop and another format may replace it. Untill blu-ray is not standard Im of opinion that PS3 should not be marketed as HD movie player since it cant play all movies.

It can play all movies because its DVD compatible but can only play Blu ray movies in HD while upconverting DVD.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="acekall"][QUOTE="trizzle_a"]

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

Magical_Zebra

Thats what you're saying now, but you'll never know. Im gonna wait until one HD standard will be confirmed. Look what happend with betamax vs VHS. Blu ray looks strong now, but it may flop and another format may replace it. Untill blu-ray is not standard Im of opinion that PS3 should not be marketed as HD movie player since it cant play all movies.

While it's not technically over, blu ray basically does have it won. They are outselling HD DVD everywhere, by wider margins outside of America even. Transformers was released on HD DVD and wasn't even the best selling HD format movie for the week. Also, ps3 can upscale(I think) dvds to hd format, and while not the same really, it's still nice to have.

Pretty sure it does, games count as a sale with bundles right?

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="acekall"][QUOTE="trizzle_a"]

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

Chutebox

Thats what you're saying now, but you'll never know. Im gonna wait until one HD standard will be confirmed. Look what happend with betamax vs VHS. Blu ray looks strong now, but it may flop and another format may replace it. Untill blu-ray is not standard Im of opinion that PS3 should not be marketed as HD movie player since it cant play all movies.

While it's not technically over, blu ray basically does have it won. They are outselling HD DVD everywhere, by wider margins outside of America even. Transformers was released on HD DVD and wasn't even the best selling HD format movie for the week. Also, ps3 can upscale(I think) dvds to hd format, and while not the same really, it's still nice to have.

Pretty sure it does, games count as a sale with bundles right?

It all depends on the company who runs the stats.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

The_Crucible

i'll save time and just say, "Everything you said is wrong"... as usual...

but hey, don't stop now...you're one of the best liars on the board... :)

Where did I lie. Is blu-ray not outselling HD-DVD? Does blu-ray not have more capacity per layer than HD-DVD? Is there not a CHANCE that blu-ray will be needed if DVD fails this gen?

I don't lie. I give facts or opinions. You, on the other hand, love to twist words and make ignorant accusations. Most of the time, you don't even make sense.

You two have a love/hate relationship. Its hilarious. Its like your sworn enemies but best friends... ;)

There's no "best friends" about it. I can't stand Tango. He's the one poster on this site that I cannot deal with.

you only hate me because i shine a light on your silliness while using facts...

you, on the other hand, take ANY opinion you like and call it fact...

my advice; start using facts and maybe i won't have to correct you ...;)

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

The_Crucible

i'll save time and just say, "Everything you said is wrong"... as usual...

but hey, don't stop now...you're one of the best liars on the board... :)

Where did I lie. Is blu-ray not outselling HD-DVD? Does blu-ray not have more capacity per layer than HD-DVD? Is there not a CHANCE that blu-ray will be needed if DVD fails this gen?

I don't lie. I give facts or opinions. You, on the other hand, love to twist words and make ignorant accusations. Most of the time, you don't even make sense.

where did you lie? okay.

1. bluray movies are NOT "outselling" hd dvd movies... the FREE br movies are being counted as "sales".. that is NOT indicative of sales acceptance.... never has been...

2. hd dvd players (which is the PARAMOUNT benchmark NOT the individual movies) are now selling at less than $200... THAT is the "sales advantage"....

3. less than half of ps3 owners (from recent surveys) even know about the bluray movie playback in the ps3.. that is NOT a sales or tech advantage.

4. bluray has NO tech advantage. both use 1080p. storage space is not a "tech advantage".

hope this helps, but i'm sure you'll ignore the truth, as usual....:roll:

you only hate me because i shine a light on your silliness while using facts...

you, on the other hand, take ANY opinion you like and call it fact...

my advice; start using facts and maybe i won't have to correct you ...;)

Don't give yourself too much credit there bud, all he did was infact state facts about the current war.

you only hate me because i shine a light on your silliness while using facts...

you, on the other hand, take ANY opinion you like and call it fact...

my advice; start using facts and maybe i won't have to correct you ...;)

Chutebox

Don't give yourself too much credit there bud, all he did was infact state facts about the current war.

and i'm saying he didn't.. he used his bias opinion and tried to pass it off as "fact"...

the actual facts show things very differently than what he's saying....

the "fact" is; bluray has NO advantage at this time... if it did, it wouldn't be stuggling so badly...

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

tango90101

i'll save time and just say, "Everything you said is wrong"... as usual...

but hey, don't stop now...you're one of the best liars on the board... :)

Where did I lie. Is blu-ray not outselling HD-DVD? Does blu-ray not have more capacity per layer than HD-DVD? Is there not a CHANCE that blu-ray will be needed if DVD fails this gen?

I don't lie. I give facts or opinions. You, on the other hand, love to twist words and make ignorant accusations. Most of the time, you don't even make sense.

where did you lie? okay.

1. bluray movies are NOT "outselling" hd dvd movies... the FREE br movies are being counted as "sales".. that is NOT indicative of sales acceptance.... never has been...

2. hd dvd players (which is the PARAMOUNT benchmark NOT the individual movies) are now selling at less than $200... THAT is the "sales advantage"....

3. less than half of ps3 owners (from recent surveys) even know about the bluray movie playback in the ps3.. that is NOT a sales or tech advantage.

4. bluray has NO tech advantage. both use 1080p. storage space is not a "tech advantage".

hope this helps, but i'm sure you'll ignore the truth, as usual....:roll:

Blu Ray is outselling HD DVD at a crazy rate all over the world. No one can deny this, even HD DVD followers on avsform now this.$200 players just now hit the market at target and Walmart. How the hell is having more storage space on a disc not considered tech? It is a tech advantage, but I know HD DVD has some tech advantages over blu ray also.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

you only hate me because i shine a light on your silliness while using facts...

you, on the other hand, take ANY opinion you like and call it fact...

my advice; start using facts and maybe i won't have to correct you ...;)

tango90101

Don't give yourself too much credit there bud, all he did was infact state facts about the current war.

and i'm saying he didn't.. he used his bias opinion and tried to pass it off as "fact"...

the actual facts show things very differently than what he's saying....

the "fact" is; bluray has NO advantage at this time... if it did, it wouldn't be stuggling so badly...

if Blu Ray is struggling, then what is HD DVD doing? lol Blu Ray is clearly winning right now, there is no way to deny that.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

You two have a love/hate relationship. Its hilarious. Its like your sworn enemies but best friends... ;)

The_Crucible

There's no "best friends" about it. I can't stand Tango. He's the one poster on this site that I cannot deal with.

Crucible- PS3 does rock.

Tango- What you say? The cell cant run super mario bros?

Crucible- I didnt say that...

Tango- You implied it...

Crucible- Your a fanboy...

Tango- I state facts just like you...

Of course thats just an example... Funny stuff... :lol:

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

The whole problem with your thought, TC, is that both won't co-exist. One will win. And right now, blu-ray has both a sales and tech advantage.

Plus, there's a very good chance it will be needed for games this gen. Dispute that all you want. Neither one of us will have proof until its all said and done.

Chutebox

i'll save time and just say, "Everything you said is wrong"... as usual...

but hey, don't stop now...you're one of the best liars on the board... :)

Where did I lie. Is blu-ray not outselling HD-DVD? Does blu-ray not have more capacity per layer than HD-DVD? Is there not a CHANCE that blu-ray will be needed if DVD fails this gen?

I don't lie. I give facts or opinions. You, on the other hand, love to twist words and make ignorant accusations. Most of the time, you don't even make sense.

where did you lie? okay.

1. bluray movies are NOT "outselling" hd dvd movies... the FREE br movies are being counted as "sales".. that is NOT indicative of sales acceptance.... never has been...

2. hd dvd players (which is the PARAMOUNT benchmark NOT the individual movies) are now selling at less than $200... THAT is the "sales advantage"....

3. less than half of ps3 owners (from recent surveys) even know about the bluray movie playback in the ps3.. that is NOT a sales or tech advantage.

4. bluray has NO tech advantage. both use 1080p. storage space is not a "tech advantage".

hope this helps, but i'm sure you'll ignore the truth, as usual....:roll:

Blu Ray is outselling HD DVD at a crazy rate all over the world. No one can deny this, even HD DVD followers on avsform now this.$200 players just now hit the market at target and Walmart. How the hell is having more storage space on a disc not considered tech? It is a tech advantage, but I know HD DVD has some tech advantages over blu ray also.

and hd dvd players are outselling bluray players all over the world. your point? the fact is; the players are were the sales need to be measured, NOT the movies themselves as these numbers are easily skewed due to free br movie campaigns...

for instance; if a console sold more hardware, they would be the winner, ie; ps2... right? so why the change to software now?

doesn't make sense...

more space is not an "advantage" as it holds little to nodiscernableadvantage to the consumer.... both formats provide the consumer with hd playback... space of a disk has NEVER been marketted to the consumer.... never will be... why? because they just don't care...

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

You two have a love/hate relationship. Its hilarious. Its like your sworn enemies but best friends... ;)

Magical_Zebra

There's no "best friends" about it. I can't stand Tango. He's the one poster on this site that I cannot deal with.

Crucible- PS3 does rock.

Tango- What you say? The cell cant run super mario bros?

Crucible- I didnt say that...

Tango- You implied it...

Crucible- Your a fanboy...

Tango- I state facts just like you...

Of course thats just an example... Funny stuff... :lol:

lame...:roll:

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="acekall"][QUOTE="trizzle_a"]

No problem, we wont have to worry about HD DVD any longer, Warner Bros is going Blu-Ray exclusive and Disney is backing PS3 AND Blu-ray.

HD DVD will be dead but it wont hurt MS or 360, MS could just make a Blu-ray addon for 360 and Sony would welcome them with open arms.

Chutebox

Thats what you're saying now, but you'll never know. Im gonna wait until one HD standard will be confirmed. Look what happend with betamax vs VHS. Blu ray looks strong now, but it may flop and another format may replace it. Untill blu-ray is not standard Im of opinion that PS3 should not be marketed as HD movie player since it cant play all movies.

While it's not technically over, blu ray basically does have it won. They are outselling HD DVD everywhere, by wider margins outside of America even. Transformers was released on HD DVD and wasn't even the best selling HD format movie for the week. Also, ps3 can upscale(I think) dvds to hd format, and while not the same really, it's still nice to have.

Pretty sure it does, games count as a sale with bundles right?

Easy there chuck. No need to get slick... :shock:

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

you only hate me because i shine a light on your silliness while using facts...

you, on the other hand, take ANY opinion you like and call it fact...

my advice; start using facts and maybe i won't have to correct you ...;)

Chutebox

Don't give yourself too much credit there bud, all he did was infact state facts about the current war.

and i'm saying he didn't.. he used his bias opinion and tried to pass it off as "fact"...

the actual facts show things very differently than what he's saying....

the "fact" is; bluray has NO advantage at this time... if it did, it wouldn't be stuggling so badly...

if Blu Ray is struggling, then what is HD DVD doing? lol Blu Ray is clearly winning right now, there is no way to deny that.

which will decide the winner; more players or more movies?

Easy there chuck. No need to get slick... :shock:

I wasn't lol, I honestly didn't know lol.

where did you lie? okay.

1. bluray movies are NOT "outselling" hd dvd movies... the FREE br movies are being counted as "sales".. that is NOT indicative of sales acceptance.... never has been...

This is YOUR theory. Gotta link? Got proof of this accusation?

2. hd dvd players (which is the PARAMOUNT benchmark NOT the individual movies) are now selling at less than $200... THAT is the "sales advantage"....

Tell me, if thats such the "sales advantage" why aren't HD-DVD movies outselling blu-ray? Oh, yeah. That whole unproven point 1.

3. less than half of ps3 owners (from recent surveys) even know about the bluray movie playback in the ps3.. that is NOT a sales or tech advantage.

Are you serious? You and other lems bash the PS3 all of the time for marketing the PS3 has a movie player. But now you tell me buyers are totally unaware? Weak.

4. bluray has NO tech advantage. both use 1080p. storage space is not a "tech advantage".

What "advantage" is it then? Its FACT that HD-DVD has far lower capacity per layer than blu-ray. I'm so sorry I upset you with the "tech" word in there.

Better yet, tell me what advantages HD-DVD has over blu-ray.

tango90101

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

you only hate me because i shine a light on your silliness while using facts...

you, on the other hand, take ANY opinion you like and call it fact...

my advice; start using facts and maybe i won't have to correct you ...;)

tango90101

Don't give yourself too much credit there bud, all he did was infact state facts about the current war.

and i'm saying he didn't.. he used his bias opinion and tried to pass it off as "fact"...

the actual facts show things very differently than what he's saying....

the "fact" is; bluray has NO advantage at this time... if it did, it wouldn't be stuggling so badly...

if Blu Ray is struggling, then what is HD DVD doing? lol Blu Ray is clearly winning right now, there is no way to deny that.

which will decide the winner; more players or more movies?

Bro, blu ray is winning in hardware and software everywhere.

And it's funny, 360 fans say software matters more than hardware now that Wii is winning, just a little tidbit there(not directed at you).

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

you only hate me because i shine a light on your silliness while using facts...

you, on the other hand, take ANY opinion you like and call it fact...

my advice; start using facts and maybe i won't have to correct you ...;)

Chutebox

Don't give yourself too much credit there bud, all he did was infact state facts about the current war.

and i'm saying he didn't.. he used his bias opinion and tried to pass it off as "fact"...

the actual facts show things very differently than what he's saying....

the "fact" is; bluray has NO advantage at this time... if it did, it wouldn't be stuggling so badly...

if Blu Ray is struggling, then what is HD DVD doing? lol Blu Ray is clearly winning right now, there is no way to deny that.

which will decide the winner; more players or more movies?

Bro, blu ray is winning in hardware and software everywhere.

And it's funny, 360 fans say software matters more than hardware now that Wii is winning, just a little tidbit there(not directed at you).

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10371.cfm

http://chenhaixin.bb.engadgethd.com/2007/07/12/european-hd-dvd-lobbyists-claim-74-percent-market-share/

you're silly... hd dvd players are outselling br players 3 to 1 in EU and 2 to 1 in NA.....

remember; the ps3 does not count as br player for penetration as almost half don't even realize the ps3 is a br player...

prolly why consoles have NEVER been included in dvd player sales....;)

clearly hd dvd has the hardware sales advantage, which is where the battle is REALLY waged...

btw; xmas is looking great for hd dvd players as well... bluray? not so much...

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

You two have a love/hate relationship. Its hilarious. Its like your sworn enemies but best friends... ;)

tango90101

There's no "best friends" about it. I can't stand Tango. He's the one poster on this site that I cannot deal with.

Crucible- PS3 does rock.

Tango- What you say? The cell cant run super mario bros?

Crucible- I didnt say that...

Tango- You implied it...

Crucible- Your a fanboy...

Tango- I state facts just like you...

Of course thats just an example... Funny stuff... :lol:

lame...:roll:

Don't give yourself too much credit there bud, all he did was infact state facts about the current war.

Chutebox

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

where did you lie? okay.

1. bluray movies are NOT "outselling" hd dvd movies... the FREE br movies are being counted as "sales".. that is NOT indicative of sales acceptance.... never has been...

This is YOUR theory. Gotta link? Got proof of this accusation?

2. hd dvd players (which is the PARAMOUNT benchmark NOT the individual movies) are now selling at less than $200... THAT is the "sales advantage"....

Tell me, if thats such the "sales advantage" why aren't HD-DVD movies outselling blu-ray? Oh, yeah. That whole unproven point 1.

3. less than half of ps3 owners (from recent surveys) even know about the bluray movie playback in the ps3.. that is NOT a sales or tech advantage.

Are you serious? You and other lems bash the PS3 all of the time for marketing the PS3 has a movie player. But now you tell me buyers are totally unaware? Weak.

4. bluray has NO tech advantage. both use 1080p. storage space is not a "tech advantage".

What "advantage" is it then? Its FACT that HD-DVD has far lower capacity per layer than blu-ray. I'm so sorry I upset you with the "tech" word in there.

Better yet, tell me what advantages HD-DVD has over blu-ray.

The_Crucible

1. it's already been proven... go find your own link... everyone knows the free br movies are being counted as sales... stop acting like you don't know this...

2. the sales advantage of hd dvd over bluray is about $300 lower in price... stop looking at the movies. that is not where the battle will be won. its in the hardware sales....

3. weren't my stats. they were posted a while back, but too lazy to look for them... 40% polled said they weren't even aware of br in the ps3... sorry... this is prolly why consoles aren't used for total movie player hardware sales... never has been... it's funny you're trying tho..

4. pricing. that's THE biggest advantage hd dvd has over br... and pricing is paramount for consumers... not loyalty to the ps name like you like to think..

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10371.cfm

http://chenhaixin.bb.engadgethd.com/2007/07/12/european-hd-dvd-lobbyists-claim-74-percent-market-share/

you're silly... hd dvd players are outselling br players 3 to 1 in EU and 2 to 1 in NA.....

remember; the ps3 does not count as br player for penetration as almost half don't even realize the ps3 is a br player...

prolly why consoles have NEVER been included in dvd player sales....;)

clearly hd dvd has the hardware sales advantage, which is where the battle is REALLY waged...

btw; xmas is looking great for hd dvd players as well... bluray? not so much...

tango90101

Nice.

Tango talks in large figures but backs it up with regional news. Yeah, great for HD-DVD in Europe. But Europe is not the world.

Wow, you need to start paying closer attention to what you choose to quote.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

You two have a love/hate relationship. Its hilarious. Its like your sworn enemies but best friends... ;)

Magical_Zebra

There's no "best friends" about it. I can't stand Tango. He's the one poster on this site that I cannot deal with.

Crucible- PS3 does rock.

Tango- What you say? The cell cant run super mario bros?

Crucible- I didnt say that...

Tango- You implied it...

Crucible- Your a fanboy...

Tango- I state facts just like you...

Of course thats just an example... Funny stuff... :lol:

lame...:roll:

oops... sorry... :oops:

his is such an easy fuse to light... :D

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10371.cfm

http://chenhaixin.bb.engadgethd.com/2007/07/12/european-hd-dvd-lobbyists-claim-74-percent-market-share/

you're silly... hd dvd players are outselling br players 3 to 1 in EU and 2 to 1 in NA.....

remember; the ps3 does not count as br player for penetration as almost half don't even realize the ps3 is a br player...

prolly why consoles have NEVER been included in dvd player sales....;)

clearly hd dvd has the hardware sales advantage, which is where the battle is REALLY waged...

btw; xmas is looking great for hd dvd players as well... bluray? not so much...

The_Crucible

Nice.

Tango talks in large figures but backs it up with regional news. Yeah, great for HD-DVD in Europe. But Europe is not the world.

Wow, you need to start paying closer attention to what you choose to quote.

only b/c i can't find my link to the NA sales... which show hd dvd players are TROUNCING br players...

unlike you, i like to use proof with my posts... usually... :D

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="tango90101"]

where did you lie? okay.

1. bluray movies are NOT "outselling" hd dvd movies... the FREE br movies are being counted as "sales".. that is NOT indicative of sales acceptance.... never has been...

This is YOUR theory. Gotta link? Got proof of this accusation?

2. hd dvd players (which is the PARAMOUNT benchmark NOT the individual movies) are now selling at less than $200... THAT is the "sales advantage"....

Tell me, if thats such the "sales advantage" why aren't HD-DVD movies outselling blu-ray? Oh, yeah. That whole unproven point 1.

3. less than half of ps3 owners (from recent surveys) even know about the bluray movie playback in the ps3.. that is NOT a sales or tech advantage.

Are you serious? You and other lems bash the PS3 all of the time for marketing the PS3 has a movie player. But now you tell me buyers are totally unaware? Weak.

4. bluray has NO tech advantage. both use 1080p. storage space is not a "tech advantage".

What "advantage" is it then? Its FACT that HD-DVD has far lower capacity per layer than blu-ray. I'm so sorry I upset you with the "tech" word in there.

Better yet, tell me what advantages HD-DVD has over blu-ray.

tango90101

1. it's already been proven... go find your own link... everyone knows the free br movies are being counted as sales... stop acting like you don't know this...

2. the sales advantage of hd dvd over bluray is about $300 lower in price... stop looking at the movies. that is not where the battle will be won. its in the hardware sales....

3. weren't my stats. they were posted a while back, but too lazy to look for them... 40% polled said they weren't even aware of br in the ps3... sorry... this is prolly why consoles aren't used for total movie player hardware sales... never has been... it's funny you're trying tho..

4. pricing. that's THE biggest advantage hd dvd has over br... and pricing is paramount for consumers... not loyalty to the ps name like you like to think..

1. It has not been proven. The only thing I've seen on it is fanboys like you telling me so without proof. You think I'm gonna take your word for it? Ha!

2. And, once again, if the hardware sales were that much better, the movie sales would show it. And in this case, with two new tehcnologies competeting for the market, movie sales matter a lot more than normal. Its the movie sales that will get the most attention and focus. Its those sales and that coverage that will influence people on what one is better.

3. "Yeah, I don't have any proof. But it did happen a while back. I don't know when or where but it did happen. Believe me?" Weak dude.

4. Hmmm, pricing wasn't what number for was for the first go around? Did you just ignore my points. Sure you did, you had nothing to counter with.

5. Pricing. A great temporary argument. You don't think there will be a low priced blu-ray player here shortly? Like this is some magical formula HD-DVD came up with? And you can say that the HD-DVD for $200 is an advantage, but so is the blu-ray being standard in PS3's.

unlike you, i like to use proof with my posts... usually... :D

tango90101

And it's funny, 360 fans say software matters more than hardware now that Wii is winning, just a little tidbit there(not directed at you).

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10371.cfm

http://chenhaixin.bb.engadgethd.com/2007/07/12/european-hd-dvd-lobbyists-claim-74-percent-market-share/

you're silly... hd dvd players are outselling br players 3 to 1 in EU and 2 to 1 in NA.....

remember; the ps3 does not count as br player for penetration as almost half don't even realize the ps3 is a br player...

prolly why consoles have NEVER been included in dvd player sales....;)

clearly hd dvd has the hardware sales advantage, which is where the battle is REALLY waged...

btw; xmas is looking great for hd dvd players as well... bluray? not so much...

lol, I love when people say hd dvd is outselling blu ray, only to say the ps3 doesn't count. There's some logic for ya.

face it, cruc, i could provide you with sworn affidavits from hd dvd group and you would STILL close your eyes to the truth...

good luck with bluray... it needs all the help it can get now that hd dvd players are below $200....

btw; the reason hd dvd movies aren't "selling more" than bluray movies is becuase of the free movie campaigns the bda is waging.... skewed numbers... not accurate, nor indicative of bluray's success... THE PLAYER SALES ARE.....but keep the dream alive...

just like how the ps3 was supposed to crush the competition at launch...;)

lotta work today, so i'll check in with you later...

Bro, blu ray is winning in hardware and software everywhere.

And it's funny, 360 fans say software matters more than hardware now that Wii is winning, just a little tidbit there(not directed at you).

Chutebox

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10371.cfm

http://chenhaixin.bb.engadgethd.com/2007/07/12/european-hd-dvd-lobbyists-claim-74-percent-market-share/

you're silly... hd dvd players are outselling br players 3 to 1 in EU and 2 to 1 in NA.....

remember; the ps3 does not count as br player for penetration as almost half don't even realize the ps3 is a br player...

prolly why consoles have NEVER been included in dvd player sales....;)

clearly hd dvd has the hardware sales advantage, which is where the battle is REALLY waged...

btw; xmas is looking great for hd dvd players as well... bluray? not so much...

lol, I love when people say hd dvd is outselling blu ray, only to say the ps3 doesn't count. There's some logic for ya.

tell it to the BDA who don't include the ps3 in their movie player sales count...;)

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Bro, blu ray is winning in hardware and software everywhere.

And it's funny, 360 fans say software matters more than hardware now that Wii is winning, just a little tidbit there(not directed at you).

tango90101

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/10371.cfm

http://chenhaixin.bb.engadgethd.com/2007/07/12/european-hd-dvd-lobbyists-claim-74-percent-market-share/

you're silly... hd dvd players are outselling br players 3 to 1 in EU and 2 to 1 in NA.....

remember; the ps3 does not count as br player for penetration as almost half don't even realize the ps3 is a br player...

prolly why consoles have NEVER been included in dvd player sales....;)

clearly hd dvd has the hardware sales advantage, which is where the battle is REALLY waged...

btw; xmas is looking great for hd dvd players as well... bluray? not so much...

lol, I love when people say hd dvd is outselling blu ray, only to say the ps3 doesn't count. There's some logic for ya.

tell it to the BDA who don't include the ps3 in their movie player sales count...;)

I'm sure when movie companys choose to make movies for a format, theya re going to use those numbers instead of the real numbers. Blu Ray players are destroying HD DVD right now, they are in more homes that that's all that matter and that's all the movie companys are going to look at.

A couple of years ago when PS2 was released

acekall

I stopped reading there.