Blu-Ray the PS3 advantage-here is why

I've noticed alot of threads on Blu-Ray attacking lately.  So I figured I'd step in with a few points on why its a good thing, not a bad thing.  Keep in mind how yes it is expensive, but for the long run its well worth it.  We all know that when it is double layed it can hold up to a 50 gig game which by the way means it could possibly hold 60 to 70 gigs of compressed data if needed right?  So we have huge potential in the future.

1.) Developer worrie.  What I mean here is when a developer puts togather there so called idea for a game, they have the constraint of a 9 gig disc.  Go ahead and flame about multi disc games are not a big deal in cost.  But no matter how many disc long they still have to apply the market price for a game (360 and PS3 is $59.99)  Now, extra disc eat up that margin of revenue bit by bit.  And games that sell in mass amounts, well you get the picture the more the variable cost of that extrad cd in every case as well as the different case molding, burn time switching cd programs in factory etc.  So with this in mind on the PS3 the developer really has no worrie whats so ever of moving past boundaries.   Does every developer have to use up 50 gigs?  Nah, but we already know some PS3 games spill over to 14 to 18 gigs now.  Resistance 14, Motorstorm was 17 gigs.

2.) Developer imagination.  PS3 games will be less likely to be restricted to the same textures over and over again.  For example when the first Id soft game wolfestein game came out.  Its lack of memory gave the hallways all through the game the same design and color.  Same goes for the first three mario brother games.  Maybe this gives freedom to more enemy designs or vehicle designs.  More voice acting allowed to be stored, etc.

3.) Hard Drive savings.  Like likely to need download content, or expansions if they gave it all to us up front.  Releaving the hd on our system for just game saves.

4.) Convience.  Simply, for lazyness so we don't have to change cd's.

5.) Quality of images.  More storage equals better quality visuals in media.  Because a game now hold high definition video with out the expense of eating up a 9 gig disc.  So goes for visuals I suppose.

Just some minor factors of the advantage of Blu-ray on my PS3.

DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.   

DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

 

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.   

htekemerald

Price of disk will drop and the cost of a PS3 game on Blu-Ray is the same as a 360 on dvd..

No not as of yet have they run into the barrier but what happens in the future?

Dual Layer Blu-Ray discs are slow I bet.

Dual Layer Blu-Ray discs are slow I bet.

PS3_3DO

Dual Layer Blu-Ray discs are slow I bet.

PS3_3DO

Speed is based on the reader not the disk..

DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.

htekemerald

Second statement is BS.  the developers of MGS4, Resistance and Lair have all stated that their games are over 9 gigs, and the developers of Resistance used plenty of compression.

And lemmings in general... you can be in denial as much as you want, but sooner or later more space will be a blessing for overzealous developers who want to go the extra mile in content.  By them, I mean developers such as Hideo Kojima... he ran into the DVD (4.7 gig) on the PS2 with MGS3.

Blu-ray is far to early, they should've waited until 2009 or something, 50gb is simply not needed in any way shape or form when better quality HD-DVD movies are only ~16 gb's...what's the extra 34 gb's for? Cut scenes?

The advantage of bluray is that it removes a limitation, the same way hdd caching does.  It's not strictly necessary, but every bit helps in the long run.  If it's better for developers, it's better for us.  Plus, I don't ever want to switch disks again.osirisomeomi

This of course leads to another problem, that being a lack of space on hard drives.  Since the PS3 graciously allows the use of generic hard drives and easy swapping of said hard drives, perhaps an easy solution would be to have some games cached on one HD and some on another.  But then again, swapping hard drives is not really more convenient than swapping disks, now is it.  This can be easily remedied by dropping more money on a larger hard drive, but then again, that will end up costing you more money for your already expensive purchase.

Look, I can speculate about the long run too...

I've noticed alot of threads on Blu-Ray attacking lately. So I figured I'd step in with a few points on why its a good thing, not a bad thing. Keep in mind how yes it is expensive, but for the long run its well worth it. We all know that when it is double layed it can hold up to a 50 gig game which by the way means it could possibly hold 60 to 70 gigs of compressed data if needed right? So we have huge potential in the future.

1.) Developer worrie. What I mean here is when a developer puts togather there so called idea for a game, they have the constraint of a 9 gig disc. Go ahead and flame about multi disc games are not a big deal in cost. But no matter how many disc long they still have to apply the market price for a game (360 and PS3 is $59.99) Now, extra disc eat up that margin of revenue bit by bit. And games that sell in mass amounts, well you get the picture the more the variable cost of that extrad cd in every case as well as the different case molding, burn time switching cd programs in factory etc. So with this in mind on the PS3 the developer really has no worrie whats so ever of moving past boundaries. Does every developer have to use up 50 gigs? Nah, but we already know some PS3 games spill over to 14 to 18 gigs now. Resistance 14, Motorstorm was 17 gigs.

 

2.) Developer imagination. PS3 games will be less likely to be restricted to the same textures over and over again. For example when the first Id soft game wolfestein game came out. Its lack of memory gave the hallways all through the game the same design and color. Same goes for the first three mario brother games. Maybe this gives freedom to more enemy designs or vehicle designs. More voice acting allowed to be stored, etc.

 

3.) Hard Drive savings. Like likely to need download content, or expansions if they gave it all to us up front. Releaving the hd on our system for just game saves.

 

4.) Convience. Simply, for lazyness so we don't have to change cd's.

 

5.) Quality of images. More storage equals better quality visuals in media. Because a game now hold high definition video with out the expense of eating up a 9 gig disc. So goes for visuals I suppose.

 

Just some minor factors of the advantage of Blu-ray on my PS3.

caseypayne69

Most of your points are pretty bad.

1) Based on your speculation of what you think developers worry about. Developers have shown they have no qualms about compression of releasing multi-disk games.

2 & 5) These are basically the same point, and it's wrong. There is no correlation between Blu-ray and improved visuals, simply because textures take up so ridiculously little space. The increased storage capacity offered for Blu-ray doesn't give it an edge because you can't add more textures than your GPU/RAM combination can handle, so the increased space will never give the PS3 a radical advantage in textures and visuals over the 360.

3) I don't actually understand this point.

4) Your best point. 

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..............until it actually SELLS, these threads are meaningless.

DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.   

htekemerald

Wrong Shadow of Chernobyl takes 10gig's of hard-drive space so they have.

DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.   

htekemerald

Marc Rein stated that unreal engine in gears alone took up 4gigs rite off the bat. And that was engine three not four...

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.

a_ratchet_fan

Second statement is BS. the developers of MGS4, Resistance and Lair have all stated that their games are over 9 gigs, and the developers of Resistance used plenty of compression.

And lemmings in general... you can be in denial as much as you want, but sooner or later more space will be a blessing for overzealous developers who want to go the extra mile in content. By them, I mean developers such as Hideo Kojima... he ran into the DVD (4.7 gig) on the PS2 with MGS3.

Not to mention The Darkness claims they can add more in game movies and channels due to the extra space. GTA4 claimed the 360 disc was limiting. Blue Dragon had to go to 3 discs. Bioware had to compress the living hell out of Mass Effect to squeeze the game on 1 disc and this is only their 2nd gen of games and already running into limitations that will require either a loss of extras that will be out later on Xbox live as downloadable at a cost 

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]

DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.

m0ney78

Second statement is BS. the developers of MGS4, Resistance and Lair have all stated that their games are over 9 gigs, and the developers of Resistance used plenty of compression.

And lemmings in general... you can be in denial as much as you want, but sooner or later more space will be a blessing for overzealous developers who want to go the extra mile in content. By them, I mean developers such as Hideo Kojima... he ran into the DVD (4.7 gig) on the PS2 with MGS3.

Not to mention The Darkness claims they can add more in game movies and channels due to the extra space. GTA4 claimed the 360 disc was limiting. Blue Dragon had to go to 3 discs. Bioware had to compress the living hell out of Mass Effect to squeeze the game on 1 disc and this is only their 2nd gen of games and already running into limitations that will require either a loss of extras that will be out later on Xbox live as downloadable at a cost 

There is prof look at the most recent games for p.c. like STALKER takes 10 gigs of hard-drive space .I think if Microsoft wouldn't have made there system HD and had DVD 9 they would probably be o.k. but Microsoft insists there games run in HD. Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot!

Whatever makes you sleep at night :)KillaHalo2o9

a 25 GB blue ray costs 1.30 to a manufacter, if u buy a 1000+ i think.  Of course all gaming companies plan on selling more then 1000 copies so that's good. 

We all complain that the wii isn't "next gen" in terms of graphics, because it's using "last gen" technogoly.   Well the 360 is using last gen technogoly too, with the DVD 9 format. 

The PS3 uses the cell and blue ray for new tech, but no it's all bad because it's not made by microsoft.  

Easy way to win this arguement, never take system wars seriously lol, everyone is a hypocrite.   

I've noticed alot of threads on Blu-Ray attacking lately.  So I figured I'd step in with a few points on why its a good thing, not a bad thing.  Keep in mind how yes it is expensive, but for the long run its well worth it.  We all know that when it is double layed it can hold up to a 50 gig game which by the way means it could possibly hold 60 to 70 gigs of compressed data if needed right?  So we have huge potential in the future.

1.) Developer worrie.  What I mean here is when a developer puts togather there so called idea for a game, they have the constraint of a 9 gig disc.  Go ahead and flame about multi disc games are not a big deal in cost.  But no matter how many disc long they still have to apply the market price for a game (360 and PS3 is $59.99)  Now, extra disc eat up that margin of revenue bit by bit.  And games that sell in mass amounts, well you get the picture the more the variable cost of that extrad cd in every case as well as the different case molding, burn time switching cd programs in factory etc.  So with this in mind on the PS3 the developer really has no worrie whats so ever of moving past boundaries.   Does every developer have to use up 50 gigs?  Nah, but we already know some PS3 games spill over to 14 to 18 gigs now.  Resistance 14, Motorstorm was 17 gigs.

 

2.) Developer imagination.  PS3 games will be less likely to be restricted to the same textures over and over again.  For example when the first Id soft game wolfestein game came out.  Its lack of memory gave the hallways all through the game the same design and color.  Same goes for the first three mario brother games.  Maybe this gives freedom to more enemy designs or vehicle designs.  More voice acting allowed to be stored, etc.

 

3.) Hard Drive savings.  Like likely to need download content, or expansions if they gave it all to us up front.  Releaving the hd on our system for just game saves.

 

4.) Convience.  Simply, for lazyness so we don't have to change cd's.

 

5.) Quality of images.  More storage equals better quality visuals in media.  Because a game now hold high definition video with out the expense of eating up a 9 gig disc.  So goes for visuals I suppose.

 

Just some minor factors of the advantage of Blu-ray on my PS3.

caseypayne69

 nice post. Shame the lemms can't accept that

DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.   

htekemerald

Dual Layer Blu-Ray discs are slow I bet.

PS3_3DO

Blu-ray is far to early, they should've waited until 2009 or something, 50gb is simply not needed in any way shape or form when better quality HD-DVD movies are only ~16 gb's...what's the extra 34 gb's for? Cut scenes?

Toyeboy

there is one thing blu ray is very much needed today fro, backup, it would take me 100s of dvds to back all much stuff up, and games are close to not working on dvd9

Blu-ray low speed make the need of HDD install .Prid3r

and those laptop drives are soooooooooooooooooo slow

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DVDs cost pennies while blue ray disks are $5 plus, if not 10.

And no developer has yet run into the 9 gb barrier.   

mj53916

Wrong Shadow of Chernobyl takes 10gig's of hard-drive space so they have.

so the box says, the install size is 5.5gb, but scda is over 10gb on pc

For all the guys that said bigger storage does not effect movie or graphics quality.  You may not have this option on XBL but we do on our playstation store.  Ever notice when you download a game or movie trailer we get asked which version to download SD 720p 1080p movie.  Now the 1080p movie is some times 4 times larger then the sd movie.  So instead of a 40 mg download its a 160 mg download.  Now put that logic into games supporting 720p or 1080p.  The information is going to eat up the disc faster.

Lets look at Mass Effect.  Nice looking game right?  Whats it going to scale at out of the box?  720p?  480p?  I heard they are having trouble with the 9 gig disc space.  Now if they had a 25 single layer or 50 double layer disc to work with.  They could add an extra tone of quality to the in game movies or general visuals.  See the benefit storage has on graphics?

So if they are having trouble with Mass Effect fitting into a disc, they can always downgrade the quality of media so they can keep the story intact.  Keeping long story vs nice visuals.  Or if it was Blu-Ray supported it would have 5 times more elbow room in data.  Longer story, higher resolution graphics, (as long as the ram allows).

Speaking of RAM, 360 and PS3 have the same, 512.  But 360 happens to have big bowl of 512 that the cpu and gpu can pull from right?  While the PS3 has 256 for the RSX and 256 for the cell.  Now do you really thing a game can use all 512 of just one or the other?  If so you are horrible wrong.  Maybe if the GPU runs at 480 and ur watching a scene hey great.  But don't expect other controls.  Its like two lumber jacks cutting a big log on the ground with one of those saws they pull back and fourth with.  One guys gets the blade to him then the other.  At least the PS3 separates them so dev's never run short of one thing.

Mooooooo

1) compression

2) something those 3 general purpose cores of the 360 are very good at indeed

3) Bethesda had to fill up a blu-ray disc for oblivion, but not for 360... why? because they had to put the -same- data on multiple locations to bring loading times up to decent levels, great use of space

4) only FMVs take up lots of space, and quite frankly, who needs them with the current level of graphical quality?

For all the guys that said bigger storage does not effect movie or graphics quality. You may not have this option on XBL but we do on our playstation store. Ever notice when you download a game or movie trailer we get asked which version to download SD 720p 1080p movie. Now the 1080p movie is some times 4 times larger then the sd movie. So instead of a 40 mg download its a 160 mg download. Now put that logic into games supporting 720p or 1080p. The information is going to eat up the disc faster.caseypayne69

Crysis doesent need blu-ray. I think i have made my point!daytona_178

We will later see how short that games is, or how many of the same tree you will see.

Crysis doesent need blu-ray. I think i have made my point!daytona_178

  It's amazing that you guy's think you know how much space each game takes up or how compression work's. You guys think you could provide a link to the page you found the info at or a collage degree to prove you know what you talking about.mj53916

Those numbers where not out of the air, but I'm not going to waste my time finding old articles for your delight.  Yes Resistance took 14 gigs, and Motorstorm took 17.  Metal Gear 4 is rumored to be having trouble storing on 50 gigs.

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

..............until it actually SELLS, these threads are meaningless.

SkyCastleDan

[QUOTE="daytona_178"]Crysis doesent need blu-ray. I think i have made my point!caseypayne69

We will later see how short that games is, or how many of the same tree you will see.

Crysis doesent need blu-ray. I think i have made my point!daytona_178

  It's amazing that you guy's think you know how much space each game takes up or how compression work's. You guys think you could provide a link to the page you found the info at or a collage degree to prove you know what you talking about.mj53916

Those numbers where not out of the air, but I'm not going to waste my time finding old articles for your delight.  Yes Resistance took 14 gigs, and Motorstorm took 17.  Metal Gear 4 is rumored to be having trouble storing on 50 gigs.