bluray vs dvd gigs space and MGS4! (general explanation)

Ok those of you saying "Since MGS4 is 50+gigs on bluray it means it will take 6 dvds to make" is absolutely wrong! Bluray is for native HD resolutions. MGS4 is being made in 1080p which takes up tons of space, then add uncompressed audio which takes up lots off space too! If the game wasn't in HD then it would fit on about 3 dvds. Note how DMC4, COD4 and other games fit the same on bluray and dvds, this is bc these games are made at 600p resolution. Also note if u want HD movie you need either hd-dvd or bluray bc once the video is made into HD it needs more space.

Of course bluray can be filled with more textures and animations etc.. my point is that 50gig of bluray is not the same as 50gig of several dvds. If MGS4 were to be made on 360 it would just drop the resolution (480p is also on the bluray disc), compress the audio and save tons of space (and obviously fix up code to run on 360), its more complicated....i know, but in general this is what take up the most space.

I also read an interview with kojima talkign abotu bluray disc and he said that yeah bluray disc hold alot of data but once u consider HD video and the high quality audio the disc fills up really quickly

NOTE im a huge MGS4 fan. Laslty this game will push ps3's like crazy, those who disagree are extremely ignorant.

Wow you have no freaking idea how completely wrong you are. Display resolution has absolutely nothing to do with storage space.Lazy_Boy88

ah u have no idea!

then why r HD movies NOT on dvds?

why is NOT a single 360 game made in a native HD resolution?

look pc games and their resolutions is NOT the same as this

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Wow you have no freaking idea how completely wrong you are. Display resolution has absolutely nothing to do with storage space.winner-ps3

ah u have no idea!

then why r HD movies NOT on dvds?

why is NOT a single 360 game made in a native HD resolution?

look pc games and their resolutions is NOT the same as this

HD movies are not on DVD's because they wouldn't fit...

Lazy_Boy88 is right. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You're not even worth explaining it to.Lazy_Boy88

u just know im right lol if display res had nothing to do with it then why are all ps3 exclusives all in naitive HD and 360's are not. Again...the if your right then we would never need a new storage medium for HD

and please dont say "i have this pc game that runs at 1080 res" ITS NOT THE SAME THING buddy

[QUOTE="winner-ps3"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Wow you have no freaking idea how completely wrong you are. Display resolution has absolutely nothing to do with storage space.Jared2720

ah u have no idea!

then why r HD movies NOT on dvds?

why is NOT a single 360 game made in a native HD resolution?

look pc games and their resolutions is NOT the same as this

HD movies are not on DVD's because they wouldn't fit...

Lazy_Boy88 is right. You have no idea what you're talking about.

then why r the not on dvds? u agree but dont explain!

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]You're not even worth explaining it to.winner-ps3

u just know im right lol if display res had nothing to do with it then why are all ps3 exclusives all in naitive HD and 360's are not. Again...the if your right then we would never need a new storage medium for HD

and please dont say "i have this pc game that runs at 1080 res" ITS NOT THE SAME THING buddy

[QUOTE="Jared2720"][QUOTE="winner-ps3"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Wow you have no freaking idea how completely wrong you are. Display resolution has absolutely nothing to do with storage space.winner-ps3

ah u have no idea!

then why r HD movies NOT on dvds?

why is NOT a single 360 game made in a native HD resolution?

look pc games and their resolutions is NOT the same as this

HD movies are not on DVD's because they wouldn't fit...

Lazy_Boy88 is right. You have no idea what you're talking about.

then why r the not on dvds? u agree but dont explain!

You're not even worth explaining it to.Lazy_Boy88

[QUOTE="winner-ps3"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]You're not even worth explaining it to.-wii60-

u just know im right lol if display res had nothing to do with it then why are all ps3 exclusives all in naitive HD and 360's are not. Again...the if your right then we would never need a new storage medium for HD

and please dont say "i have this pc game that runs at 1080 res" ITS NOT THE SAME THING buddy

yeah mee too

PS3 (bluray)

NBA 08 1080p

resistance 720p

uncaharted 720p

mlb the show 720p

lair 1080p

360 (dvds)

halo3 640p

COD4 600p

(not a single HD game)

do u get it yet HD requires more space

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="winner-ps3"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]You're not even worth explaining it to.winner-ps3

u just know im right lol if display res had nothing to do with it then why are all ps3 exclusives all in naitive HD and 360's are not. Again...the if your right then we would never need a new storage medium for HD

and please dont say "i have this pc game that runs at 1080 res" ITS NOT THE SAME THING buddy

yeah mee too

PS3 (bluray)

NBA 08 1080p

resistance 720p

uncaharted 720p

mlb the show 720p

lair 1080p

360 (dvds)

halo3 640p

COD4 600p

(not a single HD game)

do u get it yet HD requires more space

Oh and DMC4 is 720p Native,WTH are you talking about dmc4 being 600p?-wii60-

no DMC4 runs on the ps3 as 720p but is actually made in 600p just like all other multiplat games (limited by common denominator-dvd)

[QUOTE="winner-ps3"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="winner-ps3"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]You're not even worth explaining it to.-wii60-

u just know im right lol if display res had nothing to do with it then why are all ps3 exclusives all in naitive HD and 360's are not. Again...the if your right then we would never need a new storage medium for HD

and please dont say "i have this pc game that runs at 1080 res" ITS NOT THE SAME THING buddy

yeah mee too

PS3 (bluray)

NBA 08 1080p

resistance 720p

uncaharted 720p

mlb the show 720p

lair 1080p

360 (dvds)

halo3 640p

COD4 600p

(not a single HD game)

do u get it yet HD requires more space

i know cod4 its bc it has to fit on dvd first (common denominator) and bioshock is NOT 720p

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]Oh and DMC4 is 720p Native,WTH are you talking about dmc4 being 600p?winner-ps3

no DMC4 runs on the ps3 as 720p but is actually made in 600p just like all other multiplat games (limited by common denominator-dvd)

i know cod4 its bc it has to fit on dvd first (common denominator) and bioshock is NOT 720p

winner-ps3

[QUOTE="winner-ps3"]

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]Oh and DMC4 is 720p Native,WTH are you talking about dmc4 being 600p?-wii60-

no DMC4 runs on the ps3 as 720p but is actually made in 600p just like all other multiplat games (limited by common denominator-dvd)

wait i was wrong its 640p

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-107323.aspx

i believe higher resolution require more memory. u guys ever tryed to download a hd movie? talking about 3 gb for a 1 and a half hour movie and u need a fast processor to watch the thing. (example from a naruto movie, ive DL the regular display 768x432, takes 700mb. the hd version IS really 3 gigs.) but im no expert in this matter. but refusing to explain ur reasoning is the same as saying "its correct because i said so." if that was the case, might was well say the earth is flat.FreshDimSum

people here r saying im wrong but dont explain why HD movies are not on dvds, but only on bluray discs, doesnt that fact alone prove my topic

[QUOTE="FreshDimSum"]i believe higher resolution require more memory. u guys ever tryed to download a hd movie? talking about 3 gb for a 1 and a half hour movie and u need a fast processor to watch the thing. (example from a naruto movie, ive DL the regular display 768x432, takes 700mb. the hd version IS really 3 gigs.) but im no expert in this matter. but refusing to explain ur reasoning is the same as saying "its correct because i said so." if that was the case, might was well say the earth is flat.winner-ps3

people here r saying im wrong but dont explain why HD movies are not on dvds, but only on bluray discs, doesnt that fact alone prove my topic

HD movies are realy big.

SD movies are not.

That is why you need a bigger disc for hd. The storage type in a game does not determine the resolution, it only helps.

im not saying ur wrong, higher resolution does require more space. but it is possible to have hd movies (and games) on dvd. its just a matter of how mych content is on the disk.FreshDimSum

[QUOTE="FreshDimSum"]im not saying ur wrong, higher resolution does require more space. but it is possible to have hd movies (and games) on dvd. its just a matter of how mych content is on the disk.supras989

I agree TC did state his points and he is mostly right, but it mostly just depends on what content is going to be on the disc itself. A game could not run in native 1080p on 360 due to the storage limitations of the disc.

Most HD games on DVD are compressed, that is that the file has been reduced in size by removing extraneous information. This, however, requires a faster drive speed and decompression software. The BR drive on the PS3 is slower than the DVD drive of the 360 so is not able to read the information at a fast enough speed for it to be displayed (and also that it has difficulty streaming textures etc from the disc and has to install them onto the HDD so they load quicker). This is why games like DMC4 can fit onto a DVD as well as a BR disc.

In relation to films, it would be possible to use the same techniques to compress a video file, along with the audio, to fit on a DVD but the question is whether there is a DVD player that would have the relevent decompression software to display the film. HTH! :)

those who disagree are extremely ignorant.winner-ps3

[QUOTE="FreshDimSum"]i believe higher resolution require more memory. u guys ever tryed to download a hd movie? talking about 3 gb for a 1 and a half hour movie and u need a fast processor to watch the thing. (example from a naruto movie, ive DL the regular display 768x432, takes 700mb. the hd version IS really 3 gigs.) but im no expert in this matter. but refusing to explain ur reasoning is the same as saying "its correct because i said so." if that was the case, might was well say the earth is flat.winner-ps3

people here r saying im wrong but dont explain why HD movies are not on dvds, but only on bluray discs, doesnt that fact alone prove my topic

People are also forgetting that alot of content on PS3 discs is repeated to compensate for slow read speed. Not knowing how MGS4 is put together, I can't say this is a fact, but I do know that it's a practice developers have been using.

If this is true, it would be entirely possible to fit MGS4 on 2-3 DVDs.

Jesus chrust guys. Movies running in higher resolutions need more diskspace because they actually need more space to accommodate for all the extra data that comes with a bigger screen. When you're talking about games that extra data is rendered on the fly by the console/PC. Only thing you might think of is higher resolution textures for HD games. They take up more space. But the actual resolution has got nothing to do with diskspace. I've been playing your "HD gamezzz" since 1997 on this thing called the PC. Yeah, games were on a cd back then.Arsuz

Can you even believe this is happening? at least wok7 had the decency to flee after making a similar claim but people are actually backing this guy up.

I mean the nintendo64 emulator on PC can render games in native resolutions well above 1080p, it doesn't make the games any bigger

Ok those of you saying "Since MGS4 is 50+gigs on bluray it means it will take 6 dvds to make" is absolutely wrong! Bluray is for native HD resolutions. MGS4 is being made in 1080p which takes up tons of space, then add uncompressed audio which takes up lots off space too! If the game wasn't in HD then it would fit on about 3 dvds. Note how DMC4, COD4 and other games fit the same on bluray and dvds, this is bc these games are made at 600p resolution. Also note if u want HD movie you need either hd-dvd or bluray bc once the video is made into HD it needs more space.

Of course bluray can be filled with more textures and animations etc.. my point is that 50gig of bluray is not the same as 50gig of several dvds. If MGS4 were to be made on 360 it would just drop the resolution (480p is also on the bluray disc), compress the audio and save tons of space (and obviously fix up code to run on 360), its more complicated....i know, but in general this is what take up the most space.

I also read an interview with kojima talkign abotu bluray disc and he said that yeah bluray disc hold alot of data but once u consider HD video and the high quality audio the disc fills up really quickly

NOTE im a huge MGS4 fan. Laslty this game will push ps3's like crazy, those who disagree are extremely ignorant.

winner-ps3

Actually most other people are right, and you are wrong. The only time HD media would require lots of space is when pre-rendered or real video (Movies) are used. Games like MGS4 which has always used in game assests would not need the same space as a game like Final Fantasy which uses lots of pre-rendered video.

MGS is, however, known for hundreds if not thousands of pages of dialogue, and the jump to HD audio, depending on the codec used, would take up quite a bit of space.

The only thing you are correct on is the audio.

[QUOTE="supras989"][QUOTE="FreshDimSum"]im not saying ur wrong, higher resolution does require more space. but it is possible to have hd movies (and games) on dvd. its just a matter of how mych content is on the disk.I_Helios_I

I agree TC did state his points and he is mostly right, but it mostly just depends on what content is going to be on the disc itself. A game could not run in native 1080p on 360 due to the storage limitations of the disc.

What are you people on today? The resolution itself does not directly correlate with disc size and space.

[QUOTE="FreshDimSum"]i believe higher resolution require more memory. u guys ever tryed to download a hd movie? talking about 3 gb for a 1 and a half hour movie and u need a fast processor to watch the thing. (example from a naruto movie, ive DL the regular display 768x432, takes 700mb. the hd version IS really 3 gigs.) but im no expert in this matter. but refusing to explain ur reasoning is the same as saying "its correct because i said so." if that was the case, might was well say the earth is flat.winner-ps3

people here r saying im wrong but dont explain why HD movies are not on dvds, but only on bluray discs, doesnt that fact alone prove my topic

[QUOTE="I_Helios_I"]

[QUOTE="supras989"][QUOTE="FreshDimSum"]im not saying ur wrong, higher resolution does require more space. but it is possible to have hd movies (and games) on dvd. its just a matter of how mych content is on the disk.Aclar00_basic

I agree TC did state his points and he is mostly right, but it mostly just depends on what content is going to be on the disc itself. A game could not run in native 1080p on 360 due to the storage limitations of the disc.

What are you people on today? The resolution itself does not directly correlate with disc size and space.

this thread has caused considerable pain to my cerebral cortex. Seriously there is so much wrong with the OP.LordXelNaga

Can you even believe this is happening? at least wok7 had the decency to flee after making a similar claim but people are actually backing this guy up.

I mean the nintendo64 emulator on PC can render games in native resolutions well above 1080p, it doesn't make the games any bigger

Can you even believe this is happening? at least wok7 had the decency to flee after making a similar claim but people are actually backing this guy up.

I mean the nintendo64 emulator on PC can render games in native resolutions well above 1080p, it doesn't make the games any bigger

HULKMANIA_001

lol, where are u getting this from? a N64 emulator that has something higher than native 1080P!? I think you should read up on HD outputs before posting next time bc monitor resolution does not equal to HD output. Good thing system wars is kinda dead right now or others woulda ate your post alive.

Actually I'm pretty sure project64 can natively render the n64 game at much higher resolutions than the original Nintendo 64 because it uses its own renderer and the assets from the game as opposed to outputting a standard composite resolution... but feel free to correct me if im wrong. i just meant to show an example of how pc can run much higher resolutions natively rendered in all of its games from cd's and dvd's without any trouble.

And you would think if the forums were more alive theyd be too busy eating the original poster alive ;)

honestly, i do think that mgs 4 would take atleast roughly 4 discs on dvd. 3 1/2 would be video.

yeah mee too

PS3 (bluray)

NBA 08 1080p

resistance 720p

uncaharted 720p

mlb the show 720p

lair 1080p

360 (dvds)

halo3 640p

COD4 600p

(not a single HD game)

do u get it yet HD requires more space

fanboy-ps3

lol, where are u getting this from? a N64 emulator that has something higher than native 1080P!? I think you should read up on HD outputs before posting next time bc monitor resolution does not equal to HD ouput. Good thing system wars is kinda dead right now or others woulda ate your post alive.HULKMANIA_001

I'm running Project64 on a 1280*1024 resolution which is slightly higher than 720p. My monitor simply doesn't support higher res. If it did I could run it as high as I wanted.

I hate generalise, but in my experience people who have only played on ps are the most idiotic, misinformed, clueless wastes of oxygen. please try even though it obviously hurts deep inside, to get a freekin clue before posting.

Before someone mods me for "language that could hurt or offend", What about my feelings? It hurts me to read such bs every time i log on here!!

you talk nonsense.

it's not being made in native 1080P....

uncompressed sound is the real space killer .