Blu-Ray will be obsolete in 2010?

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#1 raskullibur
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Tiny huge 1TB Optical disc.

It is called the TeraDisk and it is really small, like a ordinary CD/DVD. But it's really huge in terms of space. 1 TB (1000 GB). How can this be done? The process is easy (or not). All existing optical media record data on semitransparent layers. A regular CD has 1 layer and a Blu-Ray disk has up to 8. The reason nobody can add more layers on a regular CD/DVD/Blu-Ray disk is because when the light passes through these layers it becomes distorted and by the time it reaches the final layers it becomes almost impossible to read/write on the disk.

TeraDisk achieved the 1TB limit by using 200 layers, each storing 5GB of data. So basically the data support stay the same (TeraDisk will be made out of the same plexiglas like material used in other disks) but the write/read laser technology is completely new. They say it's going to be cheap and it will be available for the public in 2010.

For more info on how this is done visit here or here.

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#2 tmacscores91
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so what system will jump on it first, Sony, M$, Nintendo...or apple...(that would be interesting lol)) also, who is developing it. please dont tell me toshiba
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#3 st1ka
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so what system will jump on it first, Sony, M$, Nintendo...or apple...(that would be interesting lol))tmacscores91

mm... probably microsoft because of the "MGS and FF dont fit on a DVD9" thing

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[QUOTE="tmacscores91"]so what system will jump on it first, Sony, M$, Nintendo...or apple...(that would be interesting lol))st1ka

mm... probably microsoft because of the "MGS and FF dont fit on a DVD9" thing

Microsoft will be releasing a new console in 2010.. Just the right time.

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#5 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"]

[QUOTE="tmacscores91"]so what system will jump on it first, Sony, M$, Nintendo...or apple...(that would be interesting lol))raskullibur

mm... probably microsoft because of the "MGS and FF dont fit on a DVD9" thing

Microsoft will be releasing a new console in 2010.. Just the right time.

mmm... given the sucess of the 360 and wii, and the late launch of the PS3 id say we wont see any new consoles until 2011

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#6 deadmeat59
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nothing needs anywhere near a 1000gbs . crysis can fit on a dvd
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#7 mariokart64fan
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mgs 4 nearly almost didnt fit on blu ray so your wrong,, saying we dont need it,

but i think since nintendos used small discs in the past,, i think theyed be the first to use it,

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#8 TMontana1004
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nothing needs anywhere near a 1000gbs . crysis can fit on a dvddeadmeat59

But according to cows, doesn't more space equal better?

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#9 EntwineX
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If something sounds too good to be true it usually is, so I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what the catch here is. Uber-slow read speed perhaps? Disks that cost a fortune? Or maybe they just wear out after one year of use? Anyway, I think next gen will still go with blu-ray, with faster BR drives and better compression techniques I think it should be enough, and maybe by then they can already squeeze even more space out of BR.
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#10 TDLlama
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I think Blu-ray will be around longer than that... I can see those discs hitting the market in 10 years or so, but not in 2 years.
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#11 DarknessLion
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If anybody should get this new disk it should go to the two biggest....DreameCast with there patner....Atari. LOl

But with this new disk my video game ideas can become reality. Everyone said it would take 20 blue ray disk, they said i was mad, but now with this new technology Frankeinstien can live..I mean my idea could be come reality i gotta call Bill gates excuse me.

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#12 Arsenal325
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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]nothing needs anywhere near a 1000gbs . crysis can fit on a dvdTMontana1004

But according to cows, doesn't more space equal better?

more space does equal better.. but there is some thing called TOO MUCH space.. i doubt we are gonna go from a couple gig games this gen to 1000 gig games the next and have them cost like 150 bucks

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#13 drew0011
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I predict the return of solid state drives. currently 8GB goes for $60, so I say a 100gb solid flash drive NO LOADING TIME, will destroy ALL disc formats.

Unless everything is all downloadable content.... in which case I still see solid state being used

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#14 Wahoo2k
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hmm, release to the public?

are you sure that when they say consumers that they don't mean people who use supercomputers etc?

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#15 Riverwolf007
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Space, the final frontier...

These are the voyages of us, getting reemed every 10 years with a new stinking format.

Seriously though folks it's about time we made a stand and just try to fix the problems with HDD so that we get rid of formats forever and just transfer all the digital crap we buy to a new larger drive when we need more space instead of coming up with a new soon to go obsolete format every decade or so.

I'm sick of new formats and if you are not then don't worry you will be soon enough after you have gone through a few more.

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#16 DarknessLion
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^^Change is good
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#17 dipper145
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"mgs 4 nearly almost didn't fit on blu ray so your worng.."
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Uh thats cause on the blu-ray the developers place the same textures and other things multiple times on the same disc because of the slower read/write/seek speed of bluray.
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#18 Burnsmiesta
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I don't see how anyone would need 1TB on a medium. Give me a 1TB hard drive for a console and I'm sold :)
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#19 DarknessLion
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^^Do both because i want that disk
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#20 ReverseCycology
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Actually Blu Ray is obsolete already. They already have better, faster, newer discs now with more memory capacities. But it just takes time to develop standard players.

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#21 DarknessLion
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^^Dont tell the PS3 fan boys then the'll have something to complain about.
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#22 jimm895
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I think Blu-Ray will be around for some time before it's replaced with a new format.
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#23 Lazy_Boy88
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This is probably over a decade off for general use. Blu-ray will obviously become outdated as a storage medium but it's probably going to be the movie standard for at least a decade.
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#24 DonPerian
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Blu Ray is already obsolete.

Holographic Versatile Discs (HVD's) can store anywhere from 1.6 to 3.9 terabytes of information and have been speculated to cost as much or maybe even less than Blu Rays in production. Nonetheless, this has almost nothing to do with gaming....

As of now, the only thing reported to be holding back mass adoption of HVD's is the high price of the drives. Discs initially cost $120 but have since fallen (and will continue the steady pace).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

If any of this information is wrong, don't crucify me. I'm no expert, I just stumbled across this and happened to find it interesting.

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#25 LibertySaint
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in 2012 it will be.
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#26 sakura_Ex
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The only people who care about this are the angry 360 owners with their obsolete HD-DVD add-ons.

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#27 DarknessLion
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^^coughfanboycoguh
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#28 Tiefster
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Depends, people were complaining that Blu Ray was too expensive, this will probably be much more expensive and I doubt it will have practical uses in the gaming world right now.
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^^coughfanboycoguhDarknessLion

I'm just telling it like it is.

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#30 bonethug1213
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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]nothing needs anywhere near a 1000gbs . crysis can fit on a dvdTMontana1004

But according to cows, doesn't more space equal better?

lol i hope your really not that dumb. How does more space not equal better?

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#31 GIJames248
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This thread will be fun because the Lemmings will start advocating larger discs and the Cows will start saying that "that much space isn't needed".

Anyway if the TC really thinks that a new optical standard will be out in two years then he needs a reality check because a standard needs to widely accepted and polished before it can be feasible for release. Also there must be a need for the product and currently Blu-ray and digital downloads fulfil that need.

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#32 Sony_92
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ya but jeez 1TB is the most space you can have on an HDD so why do you need a 1 TB disc?

Blu Ray will still be used next gen cause Blu-Ray discs can go up to 200GB now and even higher in the future

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does it have a huge coalition of companies backing it?

it will not take hold

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#34 Vulcan110
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and in 2012 half the worlds population will die in a shift of the eartsh axis whats your point?

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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]nothing needs anywhere near a 1000gbs . crysis can fit on a dvdTMontana1004

But according to cows, doesn't more space equal better?

Buh buh buh wit teh 1000 giggle bytes every FPS wil come standard wif 519 levels, 327 vehicles, 1492 weapons, 234 multiplayer maps and teh single player wil be 489 hours.

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#36 Sony_92
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and in 2012 half the worlds population will die in a shift of the eartsh axis whats your point?

Vulcan110

didnt the mayans predict that the world would end in december 2011?

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#37 djxaquaxblue
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Well its guna take awhile...i mean DVD's first came out in the US in 1997 and wasnt used in video games till 2001.
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#38 xNJN
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Tiny huge 1TB Optical disc.

It is called the TeraDisk and it is really small, like a ordinary CD/DVD. But it's really huge in terms of space. 1 TB (1000 GB). How can this be done? The process is easy (or not). All existing optical media record data on semitransparent layers. A regular CD has 1 layer and a Blu-Ray disk has up to 8. The reason nobody can add more layers on a regular CD/DVD/Blu-Ray disk is because when the light passes through these layers it becomes distorted and by the time it reaches the final layers it becomes almost impossible to read/write on the disk.

TeraDisk achieved the 1TB limit by using 200 layers, each storing 5GB of data. So basically the data support stay the same (TeraDisk will be made out of the same plexiglas like material used in other disks) but the write/read laser technology is completely new. They say it's going to be cheap and it will be available for the public in 2010.

For more info on how this is done visit here or here.

raskullibur

I'm not sure you know excactly what you are talking about. The Blu-Ray is called the Blu-Ray because it uses a "near blue laser", which is much finer and more focused than a traditional red sprectrum laser put out by a CD or DVD player. By making it much more focused, you can add a lot more information, for there is now more space relevant to the size of the laser. It is quite possible that future blu-ray can hold 1TB, though blu-ray machines now could not play them. It would take some "evolution" of the Blu-Ray before we see a 1TB though.

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#39 Vulcan110
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[QUOTE="Vulcan110"]

and in 2012 half the worlds population will die in a shift of the eartsh axis whats your point?

Sony_92

didnt the mayans predict that the world would end in december 2011?

so did notradomas and edgar casey but they all said the same exact date December 23, 2012. Sadly Edgar casey predicted that japan would be swallowed in a tsunami from a giant earthquake.

Edgar casey would do most his prophesies under hypnosis and sometimes ppl would ask the # of the horse that was going to win at the next local track so they could place there bets! You could imagine the outcome!

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does it have a huge coalition of companies backing it?

it will not take hold

mistervengeance

um are you talking about blu ray? Yeah, Warner Bros is probably the biggest DVD distributor out there and it supports BluRay. So does every other media company.

Also isnt Microsoft thinking about adding blu ray? Hell, BluRay is the new DVD, in 2-5 years youll see so many blu ray movies out there

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#41 sts9kid
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Actually Blu Ray is obsolete already. They already have better, faster, newer discs now with more memory capacities. But it just takes time to develop standard players.

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ob·so·lete /ˌɒbsəˈlit, ˈɒbsəˌlit/ [ob-suh-leet, ob-suh-leet] adjective, verb, -let·ed, -let·ing. -adjective

1. no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression.

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#42 u8muhrice
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[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Actually Blu Ray is obsolete already. They already have better, faster, newer discs now with more memory capacities. But it just takes time to develop standard players.

sts9kid

ob·so·lete /ˌɒbsəˈlit, ˈɒbsəˌlit/ [ob-suh-leet, ob-suh-leet] adjective, verb, -let·ed, -let·ing. -adjective

1. no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression.

I think hes actually using it in right terms.. is he saying that there is faster and better discs than BluRay?

Thats not true.. last time I checked, I dont think there is anything better than bluray

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#43 judge__judy
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Yea and we were suppose to have 10ghz pentium 4's by now
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#44 shoeman12
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so the REAL war will be between this and digital distribution, and it looks like this may have the edge.
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#45 eddy_of_york
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It's all relative to the cost to need ratio. Thats why many people, myself included, didn't forsee blu ray suceeding.
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#46 Lo_Rising
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how in the hell will anyone fill 1 tb, now that kind of space is def not needed for anything.
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#47 jackassultima
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So what you are say is: the public will have to put up with another format shift in about 2-3 years. LOL...no.

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#48 Patriot298
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mgs 4 nearly almost didnt fit on blu ray so your wrong,, saying we dont need it,

but i think since nintendos used small discs in the past,, i think theyed be the first to use it,

mariokart64fan

If Kojima knew how to do compression it would fit. It seems the only thing kojima knows how to do is make cut-scenes rather than game play.

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#49 7thSIN
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About 6+ months ago a College pushed the data limit of Blu-ray and HD-DVD to 500-600 Gb. If Blu-Ray can be pushed that far in its infancy, I think it will be ok by 2010.
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#50 JiveT
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I think the problem with HVD is they can't get it to last as long it degrades or something. I can't remember the details. It's not like it only lasts for a few months or something I think it's a few years.