Blu-ray's only winning because of the PS3, right?

If true, so what happens when people get sick of buying Blu-ray's for the PS3?

Do I hear UMD part 2?

Sony's hopes are in the PS3's ability to move Blu-Ray movies. Right now, HD-DVD owns the European market by some 80%. that will change when the PS3 hits...and only because the PS3 will hit. we'll see what happens.Dreams-Visions

Blu-ray fate is not sealed like UMD because those only played on a portable gaming machine. People aren't that excited by having to buy a different version of every movie just for portability. Blu-ray is an upgrade that will still play old DVD's and people are excited about high definition video. It is also not bound to the PS3. It probably is winning largely because of the PS3 right now though. I think PS3 will be behind in the video game war but will sell enough to give Blu-ray the edge over HD-DVD. The biggest challenge Blu-ray faces is time. Because the future is downloadable movies. So the question is will HD TV's and HD video players become mainstream before technology gives us a convenient downloadable HD movie service.vauba_haoly

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]Sony's hopes are in the PS3's ability to move Blu-Ray movies. Right now, HD-DVD owns the European market by some 80%. that will change when the PS3 hits...and only because the PS3 will hit. we'll see what happens.ShockerD19

[QUOTE="vauba_haoly"]Blu-ray fate is not sealed like UMD because those only played on a portable gaming machine. People aren't that excited by having to buy a different version of every movie just for portability. Blu-ray is an upgrade that will still play old DVD's and people are excited about high definition video. It is also not bound to the PS3. It probably is winning largely because of the PS3 right now though. I think PS3 will be behind in the video game war but will sell enough to give Blu-ray the edge over HD-DVD. The biggest challenge Blu-ray faces is time. Because the future is downloadable movies. So the question is will HD TV's and HD video players become mainstream before technology gives us a convenient downloadable HD movie service.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="vauba_haoly"]Blu-ray fate is not sealed like UMD because those only played on a portable gaming machine. People aren't that excited by having to buy a different version of every movie just for portability. Blu-ray is an upgrade that will still play old DVD's and people are excited about high definition video. It is also not bound to the PS3. It probably is winning largely because of the PS3 right now though. I think PS3 will be behind in the video game war but will sell enough to give Blu-ray the edge over HD-DVD. The biggest challenge Blu-ray faces is time. Because the future is downloadable movies. So the question is will HD TV's and HD video players become mainstream before technology gives us a convenient downloadable HD movie service.vauba_haoly

Blu-Ray winning becuase of PS3

PS3 loosing because of Blu-Ray

Cows got forced-fed with a Trojan Horse, and now they pay the consequence.

I'll keep it simple "ya mum"DriftMax

"mum"? 

If true, so what happens when people get sick of buying Blu-ray's for the PS3?

Do I hear UMD part 2?

ASK_Story

[QUOTE="vauba_haoly"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="vauba_haoly"]Blu-ray fate is not sealed like UMD because those only played on a portable gaming machine. People aren't that excited by having to buy a different version of every movie just for portability. Blu-ray is an upgrade that will still play old DVD's and people are excited about high definition video. It is also not bound to the PS3. It probably is winning largely because of the PS3 right now though. I think PS3 will be behind in the video game war but will sell enough to give Blu-ray the edge over HD-DVD. The biggest challenge Blu-ray faces is time. Because the future is downloadable movies. So the question is will HD TV's and HD video players become mainstream before technology gives us a convenient downloadable HD movie service.HuusAsking

Blu-Ray winning becuase of PS3

PS3 loosing because of Blu-Ray

Cows got forced-fed with a Trojan Horse, and now they pay the consequence.

Dm1uciano

# of blu-ray players worldwide: 2 million

# of hd dvd players worldwide: 250,000

blu-ray sales to hd dvd sales: 2:1

think logically for one second. if one blu-ray movies was sold per player, that would mean 2 million blu-ray movies sold. taking into account the sales rate of 2:1, that would mean 1 million hd dvds sold. (2 million: 1 million or 2:1). meaning 1:1 attachment rate (2 million movies : 2million players)for blu-ray and 4:1 attachment rate for hd dvd (1 million movies: 250,000 players or 4:1). that is way hd dvd is still around and still competing very closely with blu-ray. more hd dvd movies are bought per player than blu-ray movies per player.

Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.lilrush

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray. 

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.rage8669

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

yep because the simple fact is ITs VASTLY harder to consolidate and lower prices of a console then it is a stand alone player.
I remember when dvd players we're expensive and then the  inards got cheap and prices plummited and dvd became well accepted.

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.rage8669

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray. 

HD-DVD players can still be bought for less than Blu-Ray players, yet Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD software 2-1 for 2 months straight.

Blu-Ray is not saying bye-bye at anytime.

[QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.WilliamRLBaker

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

yep because the simple fact is ITs VASTLY harder to consolidate and lower prices of a console then it is a stand alone player.
I remember when dvd players we're expensive and then the inards got cheap and prices plummited and dvd became well accepted.

i was talking about the standalone players. sony is going to introduce a standalone blu-ray player that resembles the current one on the martket but instead of being $1000, it'll be $600.

[QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.mentzer

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

HD-DVD players can still be bought for less than Blu-Ray players, yet Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD software 2-1 for 2 months straight.

Blu-Ray is not saying bye-bye at anytime.

Blu ray is outselling HD DVD because of ps3 and thats it.

Blu ray does not have any more movies on release then hd dvd last time I checked, But its funny how blu ray player numbers sky rocketed as soon as ps3 was released and thats because they include the ps3 in those numbers.

the ps3 has the lowest attach rate for games of all the 3 systems but people are buying blu ray movies in droves for it, because what else will do u for a system that has really no games but has movies?
this is a simple fact and the numbers support this fact.

The ps3 will stay the same price though for a while, While stand alone players both blu and hd dvd will get lower, Because its a fact its vastly harder to consolidate the components in a console and lowers its price then it is in a stand alone player.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.rage8669

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

yep because the simple fact is ITs VASTLY harder to consolidate and lower prices of a console then it is a stand alone player.
I remember when dvd players we're expensive and then the inards got cheap and prices plummited and dvd became well accepted.

i was talking about the standalone players. sony is going to introduce a standalone blu-ray player that resembles the current one on the martket but instead of being $1000, it'll be $600.

I know what your talking bout, But I brought up the fact that in hardware sales the ps3 is being included in the numbers of stand alones, This is why at the time of ps3 release the sales numbers for blu ray players sky rocketed, and the sale of blu ray movies did as well.
I was simply pointing out that its vastly harder to consolidate a consoles components and thus lowering its price then a stand alone player.
This is why the ps3 will stop being a share of the blu ray sales because eventually it will be surpassed in terms of price by standalone blu ray players.

[QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.mentzer

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

HD-DVD players can still be bought for less than Blu-Ray players, yet Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD software 2-1 for 2 months straight.

Blu-Ray is not saying bye-bye at anytime.

did you at all read my previous post. if not, here it is again.

# of blu-ray players worldwide: 2 million

# of hd dvd players worldwide: 250,000

blu-ray sales to hd dvd sales: 2:1

think logically for one second. if one blu-ray movies was sold per player, that would mean 2 million blu-ray movies sold. taking into account the sales rate of 2:1, that would mean 1 million hd dvds sold. (2 million: 1 million or 2:1). meaning 1:1 attachment rate (2 million movies : 2million players)for blu-ray and 4:1 attachment rate for hd dvd (1 million movies: 250,000 players or 4:1). that is way hd dvd is still around and still competing very closely with blu-ray. more hd dvd movies are bought per player than blu-ray movies per player.

this shows, theoretically, that the 2:1 movie sales is pretty much meaningless because of hardware to software attachment rates for both formats.

Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.lilrush

[QUOTE="rage8669"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.WilliamRLBaker

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

yep because the simple fact is ITs VASTLY harder to consolidate and lower prices of a console then it is a stand alone player.
I remember when dvd players we're expensive and then the inards got cheap and prices plummited and dvd became well accepted.

i was talking about the standalone players. sony is going to introduce a standalone blu-ray player that resembles the current one on the martket but instead of being $1000, it'll be $600.

I know what your talking bout, But I brought up the fact that in hardware sales the ps3 is being included in the numbers of stand alones, This is why at the time of ps3 release the sales numbers for blu ray players sky rocketed, and the sale of blu ray movies did as well.
I was simply pointing out that its vastly harder to consolidate a consoles components and thus lowering its price then a stand alone player.
This is why the ps3 will stop being a share of the blu ray sales because eventually it will be surpassed in terms of price by standalone blu ray players.

i see what you're saying. the standalone players will not be widely adopted until it reaches the $300-$400 price range. that may happen at the end of the year but it may just be too little too late because toshiba is expecting to sell their hd dvd standalone players at $200-$300 during the same time period.

edit:

not to mention the release of 100 titles by universal starting june, the addtion of another 200 titles by other hd dvd supporting studios, and the 600 titles expected to be sold in europe at years end. 

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="rage8669"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.rage8669

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

yep because the simple fact is ITs VASTLY harder to consolidate and lower prices of a console then it is a stand alone player.
I remember when dvd players we're expensive and then the inards got cheap and prices plummited and dvd became well accepted.

i was talking about the standalone players. sony is going to introduce a standalone blu-ray player that resembles the current one on the martket but instead of being $1000, it'll be $600.

I know what your talking bout, But I brought up the fact that in hardware sales the ps3 is being included in the numbers of stand alones, This is why at the time of ps3 release the sales numbers for blu ray players sky rocketed, and the sale of blu ray movies did as well.
I was simply pointing out that its vastly harder to consolidate a consoles components and thus lowering its price then a stand alone player.
This is why the ps3 will stop being a share of the blu ray sales because eventually it will be surpassed in terms of price by standalone blu ray players.

i see what you're saying. the standalone players will not be widely adopted until it reaches the $300-$400 price range. that may happen at the end of the year but it may just be too little too late because toshiba is expecting to sell their hd dvd standalone players at $200-$300 during the same time period.

yep and if blu ray had vastly larger numbers of software sales and vastly larger numbers of movies being released then id be worried cause price is only a portion of demand.
But I'm not cause blu ray really doesn't have that many more unique films being released on its medium then hd dvd, And hd dvd just keeps going down in price, so much for the vaunted studio support of blu ray cause to this date its still not showing, Some thing over 90% of movies released on blu ray are all so released on hddvd.
 

Sony's hopes are in the PS3's ability to move Blu-Ray movies. Right now, HD-DVD owns the European market by some 80%. that will change when the PS3 hits...and only because the PS3 will hit. we'll see what happens.Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="mentzer"][QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.WilliamRLBaker

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

HD-DVD players can still be bought for less than Blu-Ray players, yet Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD software 2-1 for 2 months straight.

Blu-Ray is not saying bye-bye at anytime.

Blu ray is outselling HD DVD because of ps3 and thats it.

Blu ray does not have any more movies on release then hd dvd last time I checked, But its funny how blu ray player numbers sky rocketed as soon as ps3 was released and thats because they include the ps3 in those numbers.

the ps3 has the lowest attach rate for games of all the 3 systems but people are buying blu ray movies in droves for it, because what else will do u for a system that has really no games but has movies?
this is a simple fact and the numbers support this fact.

The ps3 will stay the same price though for a while, While stand alone players both blu and hd dvd will get lower, Because its a fact its vastly harder to consolidate the components in a console and lowers its price then it is in a stand alone player.

[QUOTE="rage8669"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.WilliamRLBaker

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

yep because the simple fact is ITs VASTLY harder to consolidate and lower prices of a console then it is a stand alone player.
I remember when dvd players we're expensive and then the inards got cheap and prices plummited and dvd became well accepted.

i was talking about the standalone players. sony is going to introduce a standalone blu-ray player that resembles the current one on the martket but instead of being $1000, it'll be $600.

I know what your talking bout, But I brought up the fact that in hardware sales the ps3 is being included in the numbers of stand alones, This is why at the time of ps3 release the sales numbers for blu ray players sky rocketed, and the sale of blu ray movies did as well.
I was simply pointing out that its vastly harder to consolidate a consoles components and thus lowering its price then a stand alone player.
This is why the ps3 will stop being a share of the blu ray sales because eventually it will be surpassed in terms of price by standalone blu ray players.

There are way more Blu-Ray titles than HD-DVD titles.

Plus analysts are already predicting a price drop for PS3 in October.

Know what you're talking about, because according to your posts, you have no idea whats going on in the HD format war.

Oh and Rage's fuzzy math and attach ratio babble doesn't change the fact that Blu-Ray titles outsold HD-DVD titles by over 125,000 units for 2 months running.

Another reason I don't think online distro will catch on is the consumer's love of just having the darn thing in their hand. For one thing, the disc is transportable, so it goes with them if they move or if they want to play it in a car (a location no landline medium will be able to access--and wireless access is even further back than landline in terms of online distro, and don't start with centralization).HuusAsking

Well, its hard to say whether that kind of distribution model could catch on...its possible I suppose but theres probably a good deal of conditioning needed for such a model to succeed. Rest assured though, EA, Microsoft and others are working towards achieving that kind of conditioning. The online distro model could eventually become successful or it could go the way of DIVX.

*snip*-Murdock-

yep pretty much, Blu ray is only outselling in terms of units and movies because of ps3, blu ray player numbers take the ps3 into consideration, And Movies? well ps3 has the worst attachment rate of video games right now, But its attachment rate of movies is large.

WilliamRLBaker

I know what your talking bout, But I brought up the fact that in hardware sales the ps3 is being included in the numbers of stand alones, This is why at the time of ps3 release the sales numbers for blu ray players sky rocketed, and the sale of blu ray movies did as well.
I was simply pointing out that its vastly harder to consolidate a consoles components and thus lowering its price then a stand alone player.
This is why the ps3 will stop being a share of the blu ray sales because eventually it will be surpassed in terms of price by standalone blu ray players.
WilliamRLBaker

I really don't think you know what you are talking about, PS3 definitely had an effect on movie sales but isn't tallied in the numbers of players according the industry standard for such things..Nielsen Videoscan. Likewise the movies that were included in PS3 weren't counted in the sales numbers and contrary to what Toshiba is saying if anything they're inflating numbers with free movie vouchers (what I've been hearing is theres $10 coupons on Blu-Ray movies). If indeed Casino Royale did 100K in it's first week as is rumored and that kind of stuff becomes routine there may be a winner declared by the market before either format gets stand-alones within mass-market pricerange.

[QUOTE="rage8669"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="rage8669"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="rage8669"]

[QUOTE="lilrush"]Blu-ray has potential, it is beating HD-DVD, and heyy, it's a strong format. As soon as it becomes more affordable, it could overtake DVD.WilliamRLBaker

toshiba just dropped the price of their hd dvd players by $100. from $500 to $400. sony is planning on releasing a $600 blu-ray player in june. toshiba not only beat the price, but the time aswell, by 3 months. toshiba is expecting $200-$300 hd dvd players for the holiday season. if this happens, say bye-bye to blu-ray.

yep because the simple fact is ITs VASTLY harder to consolidate and lower prices of a console then it is a stand alone player.
I remember when dvd players we're expensive and then the inards got cheap and prices plummited and dvd became well accepted.

i was talking about the standalone players. sony is going to introduce a standalone blu-ray player that resembles the current one on the martket but instead of being $1000, it'll be $600.

I know what your talking bout, But I brought up the fact that in hardware sales the ps3 is being included in the numbers of stand alones, This is why at the time of ps3 release the sales numbers for blu ray players sky rocketed, and the sale of blu ray movies did as well.
I was simply pointing out that its vastly harder to consolidate a consoles components and thus lowering its price then a stand alone player.
This is why the ps3 will stop being a share of the blu ray sales because eventually it will be surpassed in terms of price by standalone blu ray players.

i see what you're saying. the standalone players will not be widely adopted until it reaches the $300-$400 price range. that may happen at the end of the year but it may just be too little too late because toshiba is expecting to sell their hd dvd standalone players at $200-$300 during the same time period.

yep and if blu ray had vastly larger numbers of software sales and vastly larger numbers of movies being released then id be worried cause price is only a portion of demand.
But I'm not cause blu ray really doesn't have that many more unique films being released on its medium then hd dvd, And hd dvd just keeps going down in price, so much for the vaunted studio support of blu ray cause to this date its still not showing, Some thing over 90% of movies released on blu ray are all so released on hddvd.

true. also the fact that once blu-ray exclusive supporters like LG, HP, Samsung are now making hybrid and hd dvd only products. hp notebooks and desktops have hd dvd as a $250 option. no blu-ray option. samsung held back their blu-ray only players that were supposed to be released this month and is no turning them into hybrids to be released by june. other blu-ray only supports are now fence sitters. examples include Dell and Apple. not to mention the support of the chinese companies to produce hd dvd players at extremely low prices ( around $100-$200). also, the chinese adoption of hd dvd as their only hd disk format ( a mere change of codes is all that is needed: from mpeg-4 avc, vc-1 and h.264 to the chinese proprietary AVS codec.) these companies incluse Alpo or Alco ( something like that) and Lite-on.

high end companies now joining and making players now include Meridian and Onkyo. Alpine Audio is also making an hd dvd player for cars. finally, 6 of the 7 major computer makers of europe sell hd dvd equipted computers. they are, Acer, Samsung, LG, Fujits, Toshiba, and Asus. the seventh is sony but you can guess what drive they chose.

[QUOTE="-Murdock-"]*snip*Runningflame570

Pardon me?