Bulletstorm not having any versus MP is a EPIC fail (no pun intended)

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#1 HelghastXtreme
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Seriously. What the hell was epic games thinking. Its a in your face first person shooter with aliens and cool guns made by the same studio that brought us Gears of war and Unreal Tournament and yet it has no versus multiplayer whatsoever. What a huge fail of epic proportions (no pun intended)
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#2 Lto_thaG
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Big whoop.

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#3 Vari3ty
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Is it that big of a deal? Not every shooter "has" to have competitive multiplayer. Most shooters are better with it, I agree, but not everyone has to have it.

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#4 HelghastXtreme
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Is it that big of a deal? Not every shooter "has" to have competitive multiplayer. Most shooters are better with it, I agree, but not everyone has to have it.

Vari3ty
Well me and a lot of other people its a make or break. I was going to go one day to pre order this game on my lunch break until a friend told me it had no versus multiplayer so i decided not to pre order it. Im sorry, but if your epic games and dont have any online versus multiplayer for a FPS then thats just plain lazy. nothing more nothing less
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#5 agpickle
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Seriously. What the hell was epic games thinking. Its a in your face first person shooter with aliens and cool guns made by the same studio that brought us Gears of war and Unreal Tournament and yet it has no versus multiplayer whatsoever. What a huge fail of epic proportions (no pun intended)HelghastXtreme
Your whole complaint is thrown off right there.

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#6 moose_knuckler
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No pun intended? You capitalized EPIC in the thread title :P
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#7 jedikevin2
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It will depend on how much single player action the game has. If we talking 20 hrs of gameplay + 2 to 5 hours of cutscenes and a reason to replay over and over... then Screw multiplayer.

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#8 soulitane
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[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Is it that big of a deal? Not every shooter "has" to have competitive multiplayer. Most shooters are better with it, I agree, but not everyone has to have it.

HelghastXtreme

Well me and a lot of other people its a make or break. I was going to go one day to pre order this game on my lunch break until a friend told me it had no versus multiplayer so i decided not to pre order it. Im sorry, but if your epic games and dont have any online versus multiplayer for a FPS then thats just plain lazy. nothing more nothing less

It's not made by epic, they are pretty much just slapping their brand name on the game to elp it sell and helping a little in the development, primarily it is made by another dev.

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#9 xXCombatWombat
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[QUOTE="HelghastXtreme"][QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Is it that big of a deal? Not every shooter "has" to have competitive multiplayer. Most shooters are better with it, I agree, but not everyone has to have it.

soulitane

Well me and a lot of other people its a make or break. I was going to go one day to pre order this game on my lunch break until a friend told me it had no versus multiplayer so i decided not to pre order it. Im sorry, but if your epic games and dont have any online versus multiplayer for a FPS then thats just plain lazy. nothing more nothing less

It's not made by epic, they are pretty much just slapping their brand name on the game to elp it sell and helping a little in the development, primarily it is made by another dev.

People Can Fly is owned by Epic....:o

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#10 AndyAlfredo
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It would probably end up being extremely generic. I couldn't see any useful way to implement the skill shots into versus MP without it feeling too cheap.

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#11 soapandbubbles
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Is it that big of a deal? Not every shooter "has" to have competitive multiplayer. Most shooters are better with it, I agree, but not everyone has to have it.

Vari3ty
it kinda does...for the type of game it is, it requires it..because there is little to make you go back and do it again.
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#12 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]

[QUOTE="HelghastXtreme"] Well me and a lot of other people its a make or break. I was going to go one day to pre order this game on my lunch break until a friend told me it had no versus multiplayer so i decided not to pre order it. Im sorry, but if your epic games and dont have any online versus multiplayer for a FPS then thats just plain lazy. nothing more nothing lessxXCombatWombat

It's not made by epic, they are pretty much just slapping their brand name on the game to elp it sell and helping a little in the development, primarily it is made by another dev.

People Can Fly is owned by Epic....:o

But the actual epic team isn't working on the game.

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#13 deactivated-6243ee9902175
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Too bad the studio behind it made Painkiller and not Grays of War or Unreal Torunament.

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#14 theuncharted34
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right, because clearly if a game has no mulitplayer then it sucks......

Honestly, we need more single player only games these days.

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#15 rolo107
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[QUOTE="xXCombatWombat"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] It's not made by epic, they are pretty much just slapping their brand name on the game to elp it sell and helping a little in the development, primarily it is made by another dev.

soulitane

People Can Fly is owned by Epic....:o

But the actual epic team isn't working on the game.

Then how does that work when you think about huge companies like BioWare that have multiple teams underneath them... Do we have to specifically say BioWare Edmonton, and make that distinction? Because I don't see many people doing that... It's a double standard of sorts. People are just comforted by the fact that the names are different so they are easily distinguishable.
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#16 VensInferno
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Just because an epic shooter doesnt have multiplayer doesnt mean it sucks. For example..... .> "Looks for Master Shake " .>

Vanquish. :P

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#17 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="xXCombatWombat"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] It's not made by epic, they are pretty much just slapping their brand name on the game to elp it sell and helping a little in the development, primarily it is made by another dev.

soulitane

People Can Fly is owned by Epic....:o

But the actual epic team isn't working on the game.

are you sure? I was under the impression it was a joint effort of epic games and people can fly.

anyways, I'm really looking forward to this game, it looks great.

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#18 noodlevixen
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right, because clearly if a game has no mulitplayer then it sucks......

Honestly, we need more single player only games these days.

theuncharted34

You are so right. People act like MP is the end all be all of gaming. It's not.

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#19 xXCombatWombat
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]

[QUOTE="xXCombatWombat"]

People Can Fly is owned by Epic....:o

theuncharted34

But the actual epic team isn't working on the game.

are you sure? I was under the impression it was a joint effort of epic games and people can fly.

anyways, I'm really looking forward to this game, it looks great.

Cliffy B had a lot to do with the development if you saw any of the interview videos. The whole concept was his and he just had PCF execute it. Also on the wiki for Bulletstorm it says this:

"Bulletstorm is an upcoming 2011 first-person shooter video game developed by People Can Fly and Epic Games"

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#20 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]

[QUOTE="xXCombatWombat"]

People Can Fly is owned by Epic....:o

rolo107

But the actual epic team isn't working on the game.

Then how does that work when you think about huge companies like BioWare that have multiple teams underneath them... Do we have to specifically say BioWare Edmonton, and make that distinction? Because I don't see many people doing that... It's a double standard of sorts. People are just comforted by the fact that the names are different so they are easily distinguishable.

Sorry after doing some research I was wrong :P

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#21 arbitor365
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people are way too wrapped up in multiplayer these days and they dont have any appreciation of singleplayer campaigns. this **** is out of hand.

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#22 Doolz2024
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Really? I didn't know that. Not like it matters anyway, the multiplayer would've likely just been lame and generic.
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#23 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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Who cares.

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Is it that big of a deal? Not every shooter "has" to have competitive multiplayer. Most shooters are better with it, I agree, but not everyone has to have it.

HelghastXtreme

Well me and a lot of other people its a make or break. I was going to go one day to pre order this game on my lunch break until a friend told me it had no versus multiplayer so i decided not to pre order it. Im sorry, but if your epic games and dont have any online versus multiplayer for a FPS then thats just plain lazy. nothing more nothing less

Or maybe they found the game mechanics weren't suitable for competitive multiplayer?

Hey look at that, I was right. Yay for logical reasoning.

What was the reasoning behind not putting in traditional multiplayer modes like team deathmatch and so on?

It's a fair question, and I guess it's one of those situations where you have to look at what it would take to build a traditional team deathmatch in this game. We empower the player through the verbiage and the weapons so much that if you were in multiplayer on the receiving end of that, it would be the most agonising, unpleasant experience. It is a solvable problem, I do believe, but it would basically require building an entirely new game that is in many ways not even Bulletstorm. The flail gun, for example, where you wrap up enemies for up to 6 seconds, which would be an eternity if you're playing an online first person shooter. People in Gears of War, where we'd have a pause for half a second for an explosion or something, were raging, they wanted to keep moving. It could be something that could happen, but in this day and age, with the Wild Wild West nature of Xbox Live or PSN, where for every friend made there's someone insulting you, I'm a fan of co-op. I like the idea of four players teaming up, cracking open some beers and having a good time together.

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#24 RyuRanVII
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I smell DLC.:P

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#25 vadicta
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No pun intended? You capitalized EPIC in the thread title :Pmoose_knuckler


This is what I came in here to say. That pun was so intended.

Also, I played the MP demo for Bulletstorm and it was really fun. I don't see a problem here.

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#26 fueled-system
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Honestly though hes right in a way. I aint sure how long this is but a full priced game needs some incentive to keep playing especially a shooter

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#27 campzor
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it has coop..not everything needs versus...whats next.. deus ex with mp?
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#28 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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I reckon this game is like the Vanquish of the FPS, but it looks alot better. And Vanquish was apparently fine without mp so its fine

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#29 Phaze-Two
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you can't have a "no pun intended" situation on a forum bruh.

but yeah that is a fail. it's not like i was excited for this game anyway.

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#30 jack00
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It's not like there is a shortage of competitive online shooters out there. This one is not meant to be played versus one another but rather in coop. That's the kind of game it is. Want to play pvp, you have more then enough alternatives.
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#31 krunkfu2
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Sliding into enemies, leashing them and booting them, considering they all put the target into slo-mo for a brief period, would likely have to be removed from any competitive multiplayer mode.

Without those features the game wouldn't be as fun.

I don't know how well skillshots would work in MP either.

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#32 PannicAtack
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I don't think that nutshots, time slowing down, leashing people into the air, etc. would work very well in the multiplayer setting.
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#33 Funconsole
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It doesn't have versus MP? :? I didnt know that. Oh well, I still kinda wanna get this game cause I really liked the demo and the gameplay seems fun (doesn't take it self too seriously which is good) plus there's the Gears 3 beta to look forward too ;)
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#34 PannicAtack
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it has coop..not everything needs versus...whats next.. deus ex with mp?campzor
Deus Ex already had mp.
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#35 Silverbond
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Because if it doesn't have MP, it's not a good game.

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#36 PannicAtack
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Oh yeah, and the game does have multiplayer. Just not deathmatch stuff.
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#37 vadicta
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The game has multiplayer people. And it's really fun. It's like a mission-based horde mode where you get to compete for points against your friends by stringing off the most rediculous combos imaginable and getting the highest score. There's no issue of replayability here. It's really fun MP.

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#39 djohnstonXCII
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you complain about it not having it but if it did, would you play it? of course you wouldnt! Look at Bioshock, everyone wanted multiplayer, it got it and now its forgotten (for those of you who do play i apologize). Versus multiplayer is taken by Call of Duty, Battlefield, Halo, Gears of War, and Killzone...you could also add Resistance and Uncharted to a lesser extent but thats my opinion, since I focus more on the story in those games. Not every game needs it, Bulletstorm is one of them

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#40 campzor
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[QUOTE="campzor"]it has coop..not everything needs versus...whats next.. deus ex with mp?PannicAtack
Deus Ex already had mp.

i meant the new one and complaining about having no mp
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#41 Valiant_Rebel
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This need for multiplayer in every game is getting out of hand. It should come to a point where single player and multiplayer games are separate and not shoe-horned into one package. The best examples would be The Witcher (single player only) and Team Fortress 2/Counter Strike (multiplayer only). The quality of both games is not affected by adding either a single player mode or multiplayer mode for either.

For Bulletstorm, the developers should be allowed to make the game they want without being criticized for not adding competitive multiplayer. It's not required and would only serve to hurt the single player mode, especially with how the game is played. The demo alone should give you a clue why competitive multiplayer would be horrible. You even named 2 other games from Epic that has competitive multiplayer. Why don't you just play those or play the surplus of multiplayer games that are out there?

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#42 InfinityMugen
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Bulletstorm is pretty much fail to begin with.

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#43 AcidSoldner
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Ugh..... not every game needs some sort of competetive multiplayer.
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#44 Merex760
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Bulletstorm doesn't come across as a game where "story" is a strong element. Gameplay, visuals, and multiplayer are the saving graces for this type of game. Especially coming from Epic, a company with a strong VS Multiplayer focus in their past, and virtually no strong story in any of their games (even Gears), having no competitive VS multiplayer actually hurts this game. Story and environment rich games like Bioshock and Dead Space cramming in VS Multiplayer I don't agree with, but a game like Bulletstorm almost needs it as a crutch. People will get bored of this game fast.

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#45 EddieTheHead84
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Just because an epic shooter doesnt have multiplayer doesnt mean it sucks. For example..... .> "Looks for Master Shake " .>

Vanquish. :P

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#46 Sir_Graham
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It's not the studio that brought you Gears of War and UT. It's the studio that brought you Painkiller. Crazy action killing hordes of enemies and big boss fights is what these games are about.
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#47 max-Emadness
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this game should have mp

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#48 ActicEdge
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Its sad that a game needs to have vs mp to satisfy, there are 800 games that can offer you that.

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#49 Raymundo_Manuel
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right, because clearly if a game has no mulitplayer then it sucks......

Honestly, we need more single player only games these days.

theuncharted34

There's about a billion of those.

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#50 razgriz_101
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i heard that its cause a competative MP in a normal Deathmatch form just wouldnt work with the gameplay mechanics the game touts.

Besides its good that instead of focusing on the competative MP that they have instead diverted their attention into other areas.I personally look forward to the Coop the most tbh.