Bump mapping for Metroid Prime 3!!!

In the most recent GoNintendo podcast they say that one of the main reasons for the delay in Metroid Prime 3 was so Retro could really push the graphics and add in effects like bump mapping etc.

If this is true then I may finally get to see a game on the Wii that actually looks good graphically!

Thank the Lord!

I hope they have also done some proper real time lighting and shadows too!

In the most recent GoNintendo podcast they say that one of the main reasons for the delay in Metroid Prime 3 was so Retro could really push the graphics and add in effects like bump mapping etc.

If this is true then I may finally get to see a game on the Wii that actually looks good graphically!

Thank the Lord!

I hope they have also done some proper real time lighting and shadows too!

 

freeload

[QUOTE="freeload"]

In the most recent GoNintendo podcast they say that one of the main reasons for the delay in Metroid Prime 3 was so Retro could really push the graphics and add in effects like bump mapping etc.

If this is true then I may finally get to see a game on the Wii that actually looks good graphically!

Thank the Lord!

I hope they have also done some proper real time lighting and shadows too!

 

Greyhound222

I really hope that is the case.

Personally I like the art style of Metroid more than Riddick so really all Metroid Prime 3 needs is the bump mapping and real time lighting and shadows to push it past that game IMO.

I pray!

we havent seen anything of this game, since it was running on gamecube dev kit. i cant wait to see how it looks running on the wii hardwareRahnyc4

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]we havent seen anything of this game, since it was running on gamecube dev kit. i cant wait to see how it looks running on the wii hardwareGreyhound222

To me this still comes down to us wishing this to be the case (until I actually see shots that make it look better than an average Xbox game), so I really hope it is the case, rather than us just wishing it to be so...

All your threads are about the Wii's graphics. And yeah, its been known this will be one of the best looking Wii games for a long time. Can't wait.OGTiago

A lot of them are. No doubt about it.

I should also make some more about the general lack of quality polished controls on the system too I think, since that also bothers me almost as much as the lack of decent quality graphics on the system...

Metroid Prime 3 will be amazing.

• Not a port or rushed for launch
• Online multiplayer
• Expert controls
• Pretty graphics
• It's Metroid!

Metroid Prime 3 will be amazing.

 

• Not a port or rushed for launch
• Online multiplayer
• Expert controls
• Pretty graphics
• It's Metroid!

Lilac_Benjie

This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Luigi_Vincetana

That a shot from MP2 for the cube?  

This isn't new info, Observe.  Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Luigi_Vincetana

Metroid Prime 3 was delayed to work on graphics. So that screenshot is obsolete. 

[QUOTE="Greyhound222"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]we havent seen anything of this game, since it was running on gamecube dev kit. i cant wait to see how it looks running on the wii hardwarefreeload

To me this still comes down to us wishing this to be the case (until I actually see shots that make it look better than an average Xbox game), so I really hope it is the case, rather than us just wishing it to be so...

This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Luigi_Vincetana

Nope!

[QUOTE="freeload"]

[QUOTE="Greyhound222"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]we havent seen anything of this game, since it was running on gamecube dev kit. i cant wait to see how it looks running on the wii hardwareLuigi_Vincetana

To me this still comes down to us wishing this to be the case (until I actually see shots that make it look better than an average Xbox game), so I really hope it is the case, rather than us just wishing it to be so...

Then let me rephrase that to better looking than a decent/good looking Xbox game...

good for the wii if theyhave it casue ive yet to see it on any ps3 game..

apart from the HS  first showing of the game but since then its been removed.

good for the wii if theyhave it casue ive yet to see it on any ps3 game..

apart from the HS first showing of the game but since then its been removed.

daveg1

BS. ¬_¬

This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Luigi_Vincetana

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.freeload

Nope!

Neverwinter Nights 2 with bump mapping OFF.

Neverwinter Nights 2 with bump mapping ON.

Second click to view full size.

Bump Mapping will make Metroid Prime 3 look fantastic.

good for the wii if theyhave it casue ive yet to see it on any ps3 game..

apart from the HS  first showing of the game but since then its been removed.

daveg1

Are you smoking something funny?

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="freeload"]

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Luigi_Vincetana

Nope!

That's not bump mapping IMO. It's just a texture on the arm drawn to look like it has some vains. I don't think the lighting in the game will have any effect whatsoever on the 3D appearance of that vain, as in the light and shadowed sides of the vain will change when a light source in the game changes it's position relative to the character...and that is really the main purpose and effect of bump mapping...

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Luigi_Vincetana

That's not bump mapping...

This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Luigi_Vincetana

Neverwinter Nights 2 with bump mapping OFF.

Neverwinter Nights 2 with bump mapping ON.

Second click to view full size.

Bump Mapping will make Metroid Prime 3 look fantastic.

Lilac_Benjie

[QUOTE="Lilac_Benjie"]

Neverwinter Nights 2 with bump mapping OFF.

Neverwinter Nights 2 with bump mapping ON.

 

Second click to view full size.

Bump Mapping will make Metroid Prime 3 look fantastic.

Luigi_Vincetana

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="freeload"]

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.freeload

Nope!

That's not bump mapping IMO. It's just a texture on the arm drawn to look like it has some vains. I don't think the lighting in the game will have any effect whatsoever on the 3D appearance of that vain, as in the light and shadowed sides of the vain will change when a light source in the game changes it's position relative to the character...and that is really the main purpose and effect of bump mapping...

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"]This isn't new info, Observe. Viola Bump mapping, clear as day.Luigi_Vincetana

OMG Bump Mapping, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW...

Wii has finally caught up with the GeForce 2 :| 

http://freespace.virgin.net/hugo.elias/graphics/x_polybm.htm

I have provided a link that shows a good example of bump mapping in effect and describes how it works in paractice. I really do not think that screenshot you provided of Metroid has proper bump mapping applied, working with the light sources etc. If it does then it is not really used very well as it looks pretty rubbish. It looks like they have just created and texture and directly drawn on the texture where they think the light and dark areas would most likely appear. When I say they are gonna use bump mapping I really mean properly and effectively.

Here is a picture of good bump mapping too:

 

freeload

Thats Parralex Mapping, you can tell because it still looks bumpy when you look at it from different angles.

Bump Mapping is angle dependant and would only look bump when viewed straight and not from and angle. 

I have provided a link that shows a good example of bump mapping in effect and describes how it works in paractice. I really do not think that screenshot you provided of Metroid has proper bump mapping applied and working with the light sources at all. If it does then it is not really used very well as it looks pretty crap and therefore when I say they are gonna use bump mapping I really mean properly and effectively.

Here is a picture of good bump mapping too:

freeload

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mrboo15

Thats Parralex Mapping, you can tell because it still looks bumpy when you look at it from different angles.

Bump Mapping is angle dependant and would only look bump when viewed straight and not from and angle. 

Well it was taken from an article on bump mapping. It may use parallax mapping but that is really just a slighty better version of bump mapping that gives parallax/perspective to the bum map.

You can still move around a bump mapped object in a 3D game at it will still look bumpy. See Halo/Halo 2 or Chronicles of Riddick for good examples of proper bump mapping.

I just wish we could have a release date,that's all.:(

[QUOTE="freeload"]

I have provided a link that shows a good example of bump mapping in effect and describes how it works in paractice. I really do not think that screenshot you provided of Metroid has proper bump mapping applied and working with the light sources at all. If it does then it is not really used very well as it looks pretty crap and therefore when I say they are gonna use bump mapping I really mean properly and effectively.

Here is a picture of good bump mapping too:

 

Luigi_Vincetana

I honestly believe bump mapping and good real time lighting are all that stands between the Wii having completely average looking games technically and great looking games techincally. See Halo/Halo 2 or Chronicles of Riddick on Xbox and you can see just how good "last-gen" games can look if these effects are actually used properly...

Thats Parralex Mapping, you can tell because it still looks bumpy when you look at it from different angles.

Bump Mapping is angle dependant and would only look bump when viewed straight and not from and angle.

mrboo15

"I thought that that looked a bit too good for a bump map. I kept my mouth shut earlier because I'm not an expert on the topic but I did think it was a little sus (I mean that looks way better than the bump maps I've seen in GCN games and I didn't think the GCN would be that bad at a technique it natively supported). "

It may use parallax mapping in that other image but all these images, including the original one, are taken from varous bump mapping articles. Parallax mapping just means a parallax effect, e.g the further away the bump the less it sticks out or moves, when you look at it from different angles and move around:

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="freeload"]

I have provided a link that shows a good example of bump mapping in effect and describes how it works in paractice. I really do not think that screenshot you provided of Metroid has proper bump mapping applied and working with the light sources at all. If it does then it is not really used very well as it looks pretty crap and therefore when I say they are gonna use bump mapping I really mean properly and effectively.

Here is a picture of good bump mapping too:

freeload

I honestly believe bump mapping and good real time lighting are all that stands between the Wii having completely average looking games technically and great looking games techincally. See Halo/Halo 2 or Chronicles of Riddick on Xbox and you can see just how good "last-gen" games can look if these effects are actually used properly...

[QUOTE="freeload"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="freeload"]

I have provided a link that shows a good example of bump mapping in effect and describes how it works in paractice. I really do not think that screenshot you provided of Metroid has proper bump mapping applied and working with the light sources at all. If it does then it is not really used very well as it looks pretty crap and therefore when I say they are gonna use bump mapping I really mean properly and effectively.

Here is a picture of good bump mapping too:

 

Luigi_Vincetana

I honestly believe bump mapping and good real time lighting are all that stands between the Wii having completely average looking games technically and great looking games techincally. See Halo/Halo 2 or Chronicles of Riddick on Xbox and you can see just how good "last-gen" games can look if these effects are actually used properly...

Halo CE does have bump mapping. Go to the Silent Cartographer level. Walk up close to the metal structure/wall, just after you land and where the covenant elites are standing, then turn on your torch and move around whilst looking at the wall, and watch the effect of the bumps on the wall.

Those games are all using bump mapping.

Go check google image search for example of bump mapping and go look at some atricles on Halo 2 to see the developers talk about the use of extensive bump mapping in the game...

[QUOTE="freeload"]

 

 

mrboo15

Thats Parralex Mapping, you can tell because it still looks bumpy when you look at it from different angles.

Bump Mapping is angle dependant and would only look bump when viewed straight and not from and angle.

I find it great that people on System Wars are using 'big words' to try and put their point across, but it will help if you actually know something about the subject before using them.

Bump mapping is a general term, and describes a whole array of techniques that are used to simulate a higher polygon count on an object. Normal mapping and parralex mapping are in fact both bump mapping techniques.

Just to remphasize: Bump mapping= Normal + Parralex

[QUOTE="mrboo15"][QUOTE="freeload"]

 

 

_shadow99

Thats Parralex Mapping, you can tell because it still looks bumpy when you look at it from different angles.

Bump Mapping is angle dependant and would only look bump when viewed straight and not from and angle.

I find it great that people on System Wars are using 'big words' to try and put their point across, but it will help if you actually know something about the subject before using them.

Bump mapping is a general term, and describes a whole array of techniques that are used to simulate a higher polygon count on an object. Normal mapping and parralex mapping are in fact both bump mapping techniques.

Just to remphasize: Bump mapping= Normal + Parralex

Exaclty.

Bump mapping or normal mapping are basically the general version of bump mapping and Parallax mapping is a slightly more advanced version that actually uses a parallax effect when you move around the texture. Parallax mapping will likely stand out much more in motion or when something goes quite far into the distance....

[QUOTE="mrboo15"][QUOTE="freeload"]

 

 

_shadow99

Thats Parralex Mapping, you can tell because it still looks bumpy when you look at it from different angles.

Bump Mapping is angle dependant and would only look bump when viewed straight and not from and angle.

I find it great that people on System Wars are using 'big words' to try and put their point across, but it will help if you actually know something about the subject before using them.

Bump mapping is a general term, and describes a whole array of techniques that are used to simulate a higher polygon count on an object. Normal mapping and parralex mapping are in fact both bump mapping techniques.

Just to remphasize: Bump mapping= Normal + Parralex

No matter how often you'd repeat that, people will keep making this mistake pretending that their knowledge is unparalleled :P. 

[QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="freeload"][QUOTE="Luigi_Vincetana"][QUOTE="freeload"]

I have provided a link that shows a good example of bump mapping in effect and describes how it works in paractice. I really do not think that screenshot you provided of Metroid has proper bump mapping applied and working with the light sources at all. If it does then it is not really used very well as it looks pretty crap and therefore when I say they are gonna use bump mapping I really mean properly and effectively.

Here is a picture of good bump mapping too:

freeload

I honestly believe bump mapping and good real time lighting are all that stands between the Wii having completely average looking games technically and great looking games techincally. See Halo/Halo 2 or Chronicles of Riddick on Xbox and you can see just how good "last-gen" games can look if these effects are actually used properly...

Halo CE does have bump mapping. Go to the Silent Cartographer level. Walk up close to the metal structure/wall, just after you land and where the covenant elites are standing, then turn on your torch and move around whilst looking at the wall, and watch the effect of the bumps on the wall.

Those games are all using bump mapping.

Go check google image search for example of bump mapping and go look at some atricles on Halo 2 to see the developers talk about the use of extensive bump mapping in the game...

Here is a really good image of various bump maps on a simple flat surface IMO.

[QUOTE="_shadow99"][QUOTE="mrboo15"][QUOTE="freeload"]

freeload

Thats Parralex Mapping, you can tell because it still looks bumpy when you look at it from different angles.

Bump Mapping is angle dependant and would only look bump when viewed straight and not from and angle.

I find it great that people on System Wars are using 'big words' to try and put their point across, but it will help if you actually know something about the subject before using them.

Bump mapping is a general term, and describes a whole array of techniques that are used to simulate a higher polygon count on an object. Normal mapping and parralex mapping are in fact both bump mapping techniques.

Just to remphasize: Bump mapping= Normal + Parralex

Exaclty.

Bump mapping or normal mapping are basically the general version of bump mapping and Parallax mapping is a slightly more advanced version that actually uses a parallax effect when you move around the texture. Parallax mapping will likely stand out much more in motion or when something goes quite far into the distance....