Bungie hints at post Halo game (link)

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Hope so, Reach is brilliant in everyway Except for the [spoiler] ending :( [/spoiler]

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole game was terrible.

Arbiterisl33t69

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

Arbiterisl33t69

[QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

toast_burner

It's an FPS ... A very shooty FPS.

Does Killzone have a good story? Infact, what FPS does? Only the odd shooters like Bioshock.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"] It wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. It's an FPS story, what do you expect? Locutus_Picard

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] If it was a low budget shooter from some small dev team I wouldnt expect much, but even compared to the other Halo games the story sucked.toast_burner

ThisI agree with. It felt like Bungie were really trying with the story, yet it sucked just as bad as before. Infact i'd say it sucked more, just cause they were trying.

Ehhh... that sounds a lot like a MMO. It would take something amazing for me to play a MMO again, and that amazing thing isn't likely to come from guys that spent the last ten years making Halo 1-5.

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] If it was a low budget shooter from some small dev team I wouldnt expect much, but even compared to the other Halo games the story sucked.toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] Do we really need a story behind shooting things...?Dead-Memories

Oh god dont let it be an MMO. Please dont let it be an MMO. Please dont let it be an MMO that Activision has control over. Please dont let it be an MMO period.

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

toast_burner

I thought the story was pretty good in typical Halo fashion. It just didn't know how to tell it in typical Halo fashion.

It was like a script written by Roger Avary and directed by Uwe Boll

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] It still stands on its own merits, but the terrible story does hold it back, and the sad thing is that it seems like they were actually trying with the story.

KevinButlerVP

Uncharted had a poor story too, yet i'm sure you love it.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"] It wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. It's an FPS story, what do you expect? -Snooze-

It's an FPS ... A very shooty FPS.

Does Killzone have a good story? Infact, what FPS does? Only the odd shooters like Bioshock.

Oh god dont let it be an MMO. Please dont let it be an MMO. Please dont let it be an MMO that Activision has control over. Please dont let it be an MMO period.

erglesmergle

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] If it was a low budget shooter from some small dev team I wouldnt expect much, but even compared to the other Halo games the story sucked.hd5870corei7

It's an FPS ... A very shooty FPS.

Does Killzone have a good story? Infact, what FPS does? Only the odd shooters like Bioshock.

Half-Life does not have a good story. Great presentation, but it's less of a story more of a theme park ride.

Modern Warfare 2 has a hilarious story. Not even Michael Bay could write that.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

FrozenLiquid

I thought the story was pretty good in typical Halo fashion. It just didn't know how to tell it in typical Halo fashion.

It was like a script written by Roger Avary and directed by Uwe Boll

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] the story wasn't bad, you just didn't like it. -Snooze-

Uncharted had a poor story too, yet i'm sure you love it.

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"][QUOTE="toast_burner"] It still stands on its own merits, but the terrible story does hold it back, and the sad thing is that it seems like they were actually trying with the story.

KevinButlerVP

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"] It wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. It's an FPS story, what do you expect? -Snooze-

It's an FPS ... A very shooty FPS.

Does Killzone have a good story? Infact, what FPS does? Only the odd shooters like Bioshock.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] the story wasn't that great, and a bad ending can ruin the whole gameKevinButlerVP

Uncharted had a poor story too, yet i'm sure you love it.

Both games had a crap story ... great acting though. Crap characters too

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] the story wasn't bad, you just didn't like it. DarkLink77

whatever. he played it without a biased attitude unlike you....you're just rambling with some crazy talk.:?

who am I kidding.

Reach's characters weren't anything special IMO. but there wasn't anything bad about the ending.....especially the one after the credits...I'm sure KBVP can tell us all about that too:)

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Oh god dont let it be an MMO. Please dont let it be an MMO. Please dont let it be an MMO that Activision has control over. Please dont let it be an MMO period.

hellhund

Dont forget, you'll also need the activation code that comes only in the Modern Warfare 3 box to access your quest list.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] If it was a low budget shooter from some small dev team I wouldnt expect much, but even compared to the other Halo games the story sucked.kuraimen

It's an FPS ... A very shooty FPS.

Does Killzone have a good story? Infact, what FPS does? Only the odd shooters like Bioshock.

Obviously Story isn't important in a lot of games. Mario seems to do well with no story.

[QUOTE="hellhund"][QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

Oh god dont let it be an MMO. Please dont let it be an MMO. Please dont let it be an MMO that Activision has control over. Please dont let it be an MMO period.

erglesmergle

Dont forget, you'll also need the activation code that comes only in the Modern Warfare 3 box to access your quest list.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

It's an FPS ... A very shooty FPS.

Does Killzone have a good story? Infact, what FPS does? Only the odd shooters like Bioshock.

-Snooze-

Obviously Story isn't important in a lot of games. Mario seems to do well with no story.

[QUOTE="erglesmergle"]

[QUOTE="hellhund"] I could easily see Activision showering Bungie with cash to come do a MMO. They'll probably call it Mahalo, and you're a space soldier fighting off an alien invasion. Using a Guitar Hero controller. And a DJ Hero table. And any other add-on Activision has laying around. Maybe you have to stand on a Tony Hawk Ride board to move, shoot with a Guitar Hero controller, and activate your armor bonuses by doing a minigame with the DJ Hero set, all while paying an additional $15 a month!hellhund

Dont forget, you'll also need the activation code that comes only in the Modern Warfare 3 box to access your quest list.

3 months! Pretty generous if you ask me.

I thought the story in Halo: Reach was fine, and I thought the ending was bad-ass.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] the story wasn't that great, and a bad ending can ruin the whole gameKevinButlerVP

Uncharted had a poor story too, yet i'm sure you love it.

Considering Uncharted 2 was basically a Indiana Jones rip-off...That's not to say I didn't like it though.

I actually liked the ending on Halo reach and the story. Alot of people did, they're just not in this thread.

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Uncharted had a poor story too, yet i'm sure you love it.

Considering Uncharted 2 was basically a Indiana Jones rip-off...That's not to say I didn't like it though.

I actually liked the ending on Halo reach and the story. Alot of people did, they're just not in this thread.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

toast_burner

I thought the story was pretty good in typical Halo fashion. It just didn't know how to tell it in typical Halo fashion.

It was like a script written by Roger Avary and directed by Uwe Boll

Exactly. The story wasn't poor. It just wasn't told very well.

I mean, let's lay out the plot points:

- Team Noble are sent out on a distress call which many assume are Insurgents

- Discover that the Covenant have found Reach

- Defend against concentrated attacks against ONI Sword Base

- Recon indicates it's not a random brigade, but an entire armada

- Full scale battle ensues (destroy Covenant AA guns, Infiltrate command outpost, infiltrate Spire), but human forces are easily overpowered.

- Kat initiates Operation Uppercut, a plan which sees Six use a sabre, capture a corvette and take it back to the supercarrier and trigger the Slipspace bomb and severely cripple the Covenant forces

- While successful, the Fleet of Particular Justice arrives (that's the Arbiter's fleet), upending Operation: Uppercut

- Reach begins full scale evacuation procedures

- As the last of the evacuations are carried out, Noble Team are asked to destroy ONI Sword Base, as well as take a package to the Pillar of Autumn

- Noble Six delivers the package to the Pillar of Autumn, before Reach has been effectively annihilated.

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It's honestly a pretty good story. If Valve had this story, they'd make a legend out of it. But it's Bungie so they trip over their own shoe laces (I didn't even know what the story was the first time through. I just saw explosions everywhere). The only thing I hated about the actual plot points is the idea of "The Package". It simply means that the discovery of Halo in the first game wasn't random chance. It was just an incredibly dumb move on the list of incredibly dumb story moves Bungie has made.

"I think it's a shame that we spent so much time working on this world called Halo and then we only let people spend six or eight or 10 hours in it," Staten said. "Wouldn't it be great if we could make a world that was always there for you, with lots of stories to tell, like a big, infinite storytelling horizon? Man, that would be great."

Hmm sounds a lot like he's teasing of a MMO title...way he says it is akin to Bioware saying "We are making KOTOR 3,4,5,6,7 to 10 with TOR"....

:D

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[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] Uncharted 2 had a great story, not to mention the acting was top notch you are talking about Uncharted 1 right?Dead-Memories

Considering Uncharted 2 was basically a Indiana Jones rip-off...That's not to say I didn't like it though.

I actually liked the ending on Halo reach and the story. Alot of people did, they're just not in this thread.

Halo reach completely, and im not exaggerating, completely destroys the canon. The game and book are nothing a like. Not in events or characters.

Bungie really had a chance to make this game something special.

Halo reach completely, and im not exaggerating, completely destroys the canon. The game and book are nothing a like. Not in events or characters.

Bungie really had a chance to make this game something special.

-Snooze-

Retcons are always fun. Halo's only ever really been respectable with Halo: CE. Once Halo 2 and the non-game media came out, things started turning for the worst.

So apparently there was Flood contact before Halo 1. Cortana did not make a "blind jump" into space at all. She was heading straight for Halo. Captain Keyes wasn't "a small hero in his day", that guy was frickin' Superman.

Things just got real dumb.

It's honestly a pretty good story. If Valve had this story, they'd make a legend out of it. But it's Bungie so they trip over their own shoe laces (I didn't even know what the story was the first time through. I just saw explosions everywhere). The only thing I hated about the actual plot points is the idea of "The Package". It simply means that the discovery of Halo in the first game wasn't random chance. It was just an incredibly dumb move on the list of incredibly dumb story moves Bungie has made.

FrozenLiquid

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It's honestly a pretty good story. If Valve had this story, they'd make a legend out of it. But it's Bungie so they trip over their own shoe laces (I didn't even know what the story was the first time through. I just saw explosions everywhere). The only thing I hated about the actual plot points is the idea of "The Package". It simply means that the discovery of Halo in the first game wasn't random chance. It was just an incredibly dumb move on the list of incredibly dumb story moves Bungie has made.

toast_burner

No it's definitely quite good. Perhaps it's not video game good, where the definition of a good video game story is to make it as absolutely ****ed up as possible while maintaining self-composure e.g Deus Ex, Planescape Torment or Metal Gear Solid. You'd never see Deus Ex or Planescape Torment or Metal Gear Solid within an inch of standard film or fantasy or sci-fi literature. The Halo series has always been lucrative movie material from the get-go, even when game critics passed it off as standard fare.

The only problem with Halo: Reach, and the Halo series as a whole, is lame storytelling and pathetic retconning.

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Halo reach completely, and im not exaggerating, completely destroys the canon. The game and book are nothing a like. Not in events or characters.

Bungie really had a chance to make this game something special.

FrozenLiquid

Retcons are always fun. Halo's only ever really been respectable with Halo: CE. Once Halo 2 and the non-game media came out, things started turning for the worst.

So apparently there was Flood contact before Halo 1. Cortana did not make a "blind jump" into space at all. She was heading straight for Halo. Captain Keyes wasn't "a small hero in his day", that guy was frickin' Superman.

Things just got real dumb.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Halo reach completely, and im not exaggerating, completely destroys the canon. The game and book are nothing a like. Not in events or characters.

Bungie really had a chance to make this game something special.

DarkLink77

Retcons are always fun. Halo's only ever really been respectable with Halo: CE. Once Halo 2 and the non-game media came out, things started turning for the worst.

So apparently there was Flood contact before Halo 1. Cortana did not make a "blind jump" into space at all. She was heading straight for Halo. Captain Keyes wasn't "a small hero in his day", that guy was frickin' Superman.

Things just got real dumb.

It would've worked very well if it was the end of the series.

Basically, the team is back at Earth, and the Covenant invade it. So you got the massive defense of Earth, and with the MC turning the tide, they retreat, you follow them straight to High Charity/Delta Halo, and destroy the Covenant right then and there. It would have been an epic finish, and a legendary duology.

It didn't happen that way :P

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

Halo reach completely, and im not exaggerating, completely destroys the canon. The game and book are nothing a like. Not in events or characters.

Bungie really had a chance to make this game something special.

DarkLink77

Retcons are always fun. Halo's only ever really been respectable with Halo: CE. Once Halo 2 and the non-game media came out, things started turning for the worst.

So apparently there was Flood contact before Halo 1. Cortana did not make a "blind jump" into space at all. She was heading straight for Halo. Captain Keyes wasn't "a small hero in his day", that guy was frickin' Superman.

Things just got real dumb.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Retcons are always fun. Halo's only ever really been respectable with Halo: CE. Once Halo 2 and the non-game media came out, things started turning for the worst.

So apparently there was Flood contact before Halo 1. Cortana did not make a "blind jump" into space at all. She was heading straight for Halo. Captain Keyes wasn't "a small hero in his day", that guy was frickin' Superman.

Things just got real dumb.

FrozenLiquid

It would've worked very well if it was the end of the series.

Basically, the team is back at Earth, and the Covenant invade it. So you got the massive defense of Earth, and with the MC turning the tide, they retreat, you follow them straight to High Charity/Delta Halo, and destroy the Covenant right then and there. It would have been an epic finish, and a legendary duology.

It didn't happen that way :P

In other words the story could have been good, if they hierd someone decent to write the story :P

toast_burner

The story was good. They just decided to pull a Hideo Kojima and keep stuffing it up with sequels. Basically, the awesome that they had with Metal Gear Solid was lessened by Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4.

They nano-machind everything.

Hell, it could have worked as it was if Halo 3 had just been about the defense of Earth, and they'd skipped Delta Halo and taken out the Arc in Halo2 instead of that side trip to Delta Halo.DarkLink77

Probably, but I'm just going with what seemed to be the original case until they messed up the production (remember they sat on their arses til the last year). I mean, how was the revelation about the Ark on Earth any surprising when there was a massive invasion at the beginning of the game? It was beyond suspicious.

Delta Halo and Gravemind seemed like filler after all that happened.

Though if they destroyed the Ark in Halo 2, why would there be an invasion of Earth in Halo 3? The Covenant are religious, not necessarily vengeful. Unless the invasion of Earth was done by the Flood (as they destroyed The Ark i.e "Noah's Ark", the safe haven). Then Halo 3 would've been interesting. Bungie would have had to make the Flood not so boring to fight.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

In other words the story could have been good, if they hierd someone decent to write the story :P

FrozenLiquid

The story was good. They just decided to pull a Hideo Kojima and keep stuffing it up with sequels. Basically, the awesome that they had with Metal Gear Solid was lessened by Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4.

They nano-machind everything.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

In other words the story could have been good, if they hierd someone decent to write the story :P

spookykid143

The story was good. They just decided to pull a Hideo Kojima and keep stuffing it up with sequels. Basically, the awesome that they had with Metal Gear Solid was lessened by Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4.

They nano-machind everything.

Which is both awesome and sad. As I stated, in order to be a good video game story, you just gotta be as ****ed up as possible. Other contenders include Monkey Island and Deus Ex.

These stories would never find their way into serious film or literature (excluding sci-fi literature, which loves its pulp stupidity).

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]Hell, it could have worked as it was if Halo 3 had just been about the defense of Earth, and they'd skipped Delta Halo and taken out the Ark in Halo 2 instead of that side trip to Delta Halo.FrozenLiquid

Probably, but I'm just going with what seemed to be the original case until they messed up the production (remember they sat on their arses til the last year). I mean, how was the revelation about the Ark on Earth any surprising when there was a massive invasion at the beginning of the game? It was beyond suspicious.

Delta Halo and Gravemind seemed like filler after all that happened.

Though if they destroyed the Ark in Halo 2, why would there be an invasion of Earth in Halo 3? The Covenant are religious, not necessarily vengeful. Unless the invasion of Earth was done by the Flood (as they destroyed The Ark i.e "Noah's Ark", the safe haven). Then Halo 3 would've been interesting. Bungie would have had to make the Flood not so boring to fight.

I know. I'm pretty sure I was that linked that Wired article a while back. :P

They would totally be vengeful if the people they perceived as Heretics kept them from going on the Great Journey. :P

Or a flood invasion would have worked. I dunno, I wanted Halo 3 to be more like the trailers and less like the actual game. Same with Halo 2.

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

The endding wasnt the only bad point. the whole story was terrible.

SpiritOfFire117

Duh, it needed more diatribes about war.