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Praises Wii as well.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15857 

 

Atari Founder: Xbox 360 Has the Advantage, PS3 Not Compelling



Nolan Bushnell (right) has once again criticized Sony's PlayStation business while praising Nintendo's Wii and Microsoft's Xbox 360. In the current console race he believes that the 360 has the "clear advantage." More within...



Speaking to our friends in an interview over at gaming blog Joystiq, Atari and Chuck E. Cheese founder Nolan Bushnell has once again expressed his disappointment with the PlayStation brand.



Bushnell—who previously had said that the PlayStation's success was an "accident"—reiterated that Sony was simply in the "right place at the right time" with the original PlayStation.



"It wasn't that they had put together an incredible product, they just filled a void that the market had at the time," he said. "Consumers wanted a new gaming system, and Sony was there. There weren't really any other choices as far as the technology available, at the time."



As for the current three-way race, Bushnell believes Microsoft's Xbox 360 has "the clear advantage" because of its games portfolio and popular Xbox Live online service. "It's a software race at this point, the hardware is just secondary. I play the Xbox 360 more than the other systems, although I don't have a PlayStation 3 yet. I'm not sure if I will get one, because there isn't really a compelling reason to own one just yet," he added.



He also claimed that his "engineer friends" said the PS3 is very difficult to program for and "that's keeping a lot of good things from the PlayStation 3, because engineers and developers are shying away from it."



Bushnell isn't just high on the 360, however. He had equally high praise for Nintendo's Wii, noting that the motion sensing controls brought many lapsed gamers back into the fold. "A lot of people had opted out of the video game industry because controls for games had become so complex. The Wii has brought a lot of those people back into the equation," he remarked.



 

 

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i remember reading bushnell saying something like this a few months ago.. is this old or did he just say it again because he didnt get enough attention the first time.
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I'm pretty sure the first thing he said was that the PS's success was an accident.
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He founded Chuck E. Cheese and made the Atari 2600, he must have all the answers
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a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediately
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He founded Chuck E. Cheese and made the Atari 2600, he must have all the answersEl_Fanboy

It not like he old or out of touch with gaming or anything...........O wait he is 

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 "Bushnell declares PS3 a failure, 360 has the advantage."

Doesn't take a genius to of figured that out.

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a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelyKook18

Lair's gameplay looks atrocious. FFXIII is no longer exclusive, all you've seen of KZ2 is some CGI trailer (Not to mention the first one sucked), has GOW3 even been confirmed yet?, Home seems like a 
fantastic way to waste your money, and I don't know what WNS stands for.

The only things there that look any good are MGS4 and LBP. Also, a price drop now would be incredibly bad for Sony, as 
they are already losing over 200 bucks per console. 

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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]He founded Chuck E. Cheese and made the Atari 2600, he must have all the answersHarlockJC

It not like he old or out of touch with gaming or anything...........O wait he is 

It's not like he's practically the godfather of gaming or anything....Oh wait, he is. 

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[QUOTE="Kook18"]a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelyMCGSMB

Lair's gameplay looks atrocious. FFXIII is no longer exclusive, all you've seen of KZ2 is some CGI trailer (Not to mention the first one sucked), has GOW3 even been confirmed yet?, Home seems like a
fantastic way to waste your money, and I don't know what WNS stands for.

The only things there that look any good are MGS4 and LBP. Also, a price drop now would be incredibly bad for Sony, as
they are already losing over 200 bucks per console.

so then you're leaning towards the idea that ps3 will fail? :lol: & i meant to say WKN: white knight story. if you think any of those games won't push/boost the ps3 sales, you're crazy. FFXIII hasn't been announced on the 360 at all, gamers are taking a vague comment and running rampant with it. and sony are reviewing the ps3 price so there could be a price drop within the next year or two.
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the old geizer doesn't know jack about the "nex gen"

he's old

GET OUTTA HEWREERE 

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[QUOTE="Kook18"]a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelyMCGSMB

Lair's gameplay looks atrocious. FFXIII is no longer exclusive, all you've seen of KZ2 is some CGI trailer (Not to mention the first one sucked), has GOW3 even been confirmed yet?, Home seems like a 
fantastic way to waste your money, and I don't know what WNS stands for.

The only things there that look any good are MGS4 and LBP. Also, a price drop now would be incredibly bad for Sony, as 
they are already losing over 200 bucks per console. 

i think the crystal balls will be the winner at the end of this gen

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[QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Kook18"]a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelyKook18

Lair's gameplay looks atrocious. FFXIII is no longer exclusive, all you've seen of KZ2 is some CGI trailer (Not to mention the first one sucked), has GOW3 even been confirmed yet?, Home seems like a
fantastic way to waste your money, and I don't know what WNS stands for.

The only things there that look any good are MGS4 and LBP. Also, a price drop now would be incredibly bad for Sony, as
they are already losing over 200 bucks per console.

so then you're leaning towards the idea that ps3 will fail? :lol: & i meant to say WKN: white knight story. if you think any of those games won't push/boost the ps3 sales, you're crazy. FFXIII hasn't been announced on the 360 at all, gamers are taking a vague comment and running rampant with it. and sony are reviewing the ps3 price so there could be a price drop within the next year or two.

WKN still doesn't stand for White Knight Story...... :lol:

I didn't say that FFXIII was going to the 360, I just said that it was no longer exclusive.

A price drop within a year or two huh? Who could possibly know what will happen in between now and then. The 360 will probably have a price drop by that time, and still be making a profit.

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. "A lot of people had opted out of the video game industry because controls for games had become so complex. The Wii has brought a lot of those people back into the equation," he remarked.

 Complex controls? The so called "complex" controls aren't the problem. The problem is that people are too ******* lazy. They don't want to put in the time and effort to learn. Thats the problem.

 

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I'm pretty sure the first thing he said was that the PS's success was an accident. assassin23

wow that's stupid...

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[QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Kook18"]a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelyMCGSMB

Lair's gameplay looks atrocious. FFXIII is no longer exclusive, all you've seen of KZ2 is some CGI trailer (Not to mention the first one sucked), has GOW3 even been confirmed yet?, Home seems like a
fantastic way to waste your money, and I don't know what WNS stands for.

The only things there that look any good are MGS4 and LBP. Also, a price drop now would be incredibly bad for Sony, as
they are already losing over 200 bucks per console.

so then you're leaning towards the idea that ps3 will fail? :lol: & i meant to say WKN: white knight story. if you think any of those games won't push/boost the ps3 sales, you're crazy. FFXIII hasn't been announced on the 360 at all, gamers are taking a vague comment and running rampant with it. and sony are reviewing the ps3 price so there could be a price drop within the next year or two.

WKN still doesn't stand for White Knight Story...... :lol:

I didn't say that FFXIII was going to the 360, I just said that it was no longer exclusive.

A price drop within a year or two huh? Who could possibly know what will happen in between now and then. The 360 will probably have a price drop by that time, and still be making a profit.

i meant WKS. oh wow i made a typo on noes :o & you didn't answer my first question, do you think the ps3 will fail?
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[QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Kook18"]a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelySOedipus

Lair's gameplay looks atrocious. FFXIII is no longer exclusive, all you've seen of KZ2 is some CGI trailer (Not to mention the first one sucked), has GOW3 even been confirmed yet?, Home seems like a 
fantastic way to waste your money, and I don't know what WNS stands for.

The only things there that look any good are MGS4 and LBP. Also, a price drop now would be incredibly bad for Sony, as 
they are already losing over 200 bucks per console. 

i think the crystal balls will be the winner at the end of this gen

Price drop bad? Hmm let's see the things Sony is doing this year to the PS3:

1) Replacement of 90nm Cell Processor for 65nm Processor will definately reduce cost

2) Blu-Ray costing less to produce throughout the year 2007

3) Removal of Emotion Engine for Software Emulation will also reduce cost

4) Removal of 20GB SKU in NA

I'm pretty sure that's enough for a $100 price drop number 1 alone would be enough for a $100 price drop.

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can anybody give me a reason why anybody should care what this idiot says? He is a ms and craptendo schill.

 

 

FYI, for the ones who stayed I am willing to bet millions will leave the fold due to MD the wii has cursed us with. MD adds nothing to most games and makes others more complex...shame nintendo!

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:lol: Hilarious.  The Atari Founder calling the Playstation brand an "accident" and a "failure".  So, anybody know when the next Atari system is coming out? :lol:

I'm not saying he isn't right, but how ironic is that?

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[QUOTE="assassin23"]I'm pretty sure the first thing he said was that the PS's success was an accident. G-Legend

wow that's stupid...

 Sort of, read the article. I can kind of see where he's coming from. 

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:lol: Hilarious.  The Atari Founder calling the Playstation brand an "accident" and a "failure".  So, anybody know when the next Atari system is coming out? :lol:

I'm not saying he isn't right, but how ironic is that?

Basinboy

 

he would know all about failures.

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:lol: Hilarious.  The Atari Founder calling the Playstation brand an "accident" and a "failure".  So, anybody know when the next Atari system is coming out? :lol:

I'm not saying he isn't right, but how ironic is that?

Basinboy

Naw, under Bushnell Atari was a good company. They started to fail when Warner bought them out and he left. 

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a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelyKook18

 

they are numbered unless those games actually sell systems. first party, and bed-buddy 3rd party titles can only take you so far, what made the original PS so great was the enormous support and breadth of titles -- something that won't happen with PS3 until they get their user base to a reasonable point. IF they don't do that by 2008, don't be surprised to see some of those exclusives go multi-plat, can't make money right now with games on the PS3 unless 95% of owners buy it, and that ain't too enticing to developers. and that isn't even a big budget title :S

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[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

:lol: Hilarious.  The Atari Founder calling the Playstation brand an "accident" and a "failure".  So, anybody know when the next Atari system is coming out? :lol:

I'm not saying he isn't right, but how ironic is that?

Death2009

 

he would know all about failures.

No kidding.  That's what I was alluding to, BTW. :P

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[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]He founded Chuck E. Cheese and made the Atari 2600, he must have all the answersassassin23

It not like he old or out of touch with gaming or anything...........O wait he is

It's not like he's practically the godfather of gaming or anything....Oh wait, he is.

He may be the "godfather" but just because you may have been the best at one time does not mean he know what he talking about now....That like going to the person that owned Sears and asking them what to do about Wal-Mart  that right someone did like 20 years ago and Sears said Wal-mart would go no wheres  

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[QUOTE="MCGSMB"][QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Kook18"]a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelyKook18

Lair's gameplay looks atrocious. FFXIII is no longer exclusive, all you've seen of KZ2 is some CGI trailer (Not to mention the first one sucked), has GOW3 even been confirmed yet?, Home seems like a
fantastic way to waste your money, and I don't know what WNS stands for.

The only things there that look any good are MGS4 and LBP. Also, a price drop now would be incredibly bad for Sony, as
they are already losing over 200 bucks per console.

so then you're leaning towards the idea that ps3 will fail? :lol: & i meant to say WKN: white knight story. if you think any of those games won't push/boost the ps3 sales, you're crazy. FFXIII hasn't been announced on the 360 at all, gamers are taking a vague comment and running rampant with it. and sony are reviewing the ps3 price so there could be a price drop within the next year or two.

WKN still doesn't stand for White Knight Story...... :lol:

I didn't say that FFXIII was going to the 360, I just said that it was no longer exclusive.

A price drop within a year or two huh? Who could possibly know what will happen in between now and then. The 360 will probably have a price drop by that time, and still be making a profit.

i meant WKS. oh wow i made a typo on noes :o & you didn't answer my first question, do you think the ps3 will fail?

Oh sorry. No I don't think it'll fail, I just think that the roles from last gen will be swapped with the 360 as the PS2 and the 
PS3 as the Xbox. 

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[QUOTE="assassin23"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="El_Fanboy"]He founded Chuck E. Cheese and made the Atari 2600, he must have all the answersHarlockJC

It not like he old or out of touch with gaming or anything...........O wait he is

It's not like he's practically the godfather of gaming or anything....Oh wait, he is.

He may be the "godfather" but just because you may have been the best at one time does not mean he know what he talking about now....That like going to the person that owned Sears and asking them what to do about Wal-Mart  that right someone did like 20 years ago and Sears said Wal-mart would go no wheres  

No, but he's more informed than 100% of the people in this thread. 

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[QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"][QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="MCGSMB"]

[QUOTE="Kook18"]a potential price drop, FFXIII, MGS4, Lair, WNS LBP, Home, KZ2, GoW3 etc have no chance, your days are numbered Sony! :roll: if you read this and think i'm serious get off the internets, never come back, and please for the sake of all of us become an hero immediatelyMCGSMB

Lair's gameplay looks atrocious. FFXIII is no longer exclusive, all you've seen of KZ2 is some CGI trailer (Not to mention the first one sucked), has GOW3 even been confirmed yet?, Home seems like a
fantastic way to waste your money, and I don't know what WNS stands for.

The only things there that look any good are MGS4 and LBP. Also, a price drop now would be incredibly bad for Sony, as
they are already losing over 200 bucks per console.

so then you're leaning towards the idea that ps3 will fail? :lol: & i meant to say WKN: white knight story. if you think any of those games won't push/boost the ps3 sales, you're crazy. FFXIII hasn't been announced on the 360 at all, gamers are taking a vague comment and running rampant with it. and sony are reviewing the ps3 price so there could be a price drop within the next year or two.

WKN still doesn't stand for White Knight Story...... :lol:

I didn't say that FFXIII was going to the 360, I just said that it was no longer exclusive.

A price drop within a year or two huh? Who could possibly know what will happen in between now and then. The 360 will probably have a price drop by that time, and still be making a profit.

i meant WKS. oh wow i made a typo on noes :o & you didn't answer my first question, do you think the ps3 will fail?

Oh sorry. No I don't think it'll fail, I just think that the roles from last gen will be swapped with the 360 as the PS2 and the
PS3 as the Xbox.

and i never said the ps3 was going to be a powerhouse this gen, i just said it would have to screw up a lot to just die off with all those ~potentially~ good games coming out in the near-future. game companies these days dont go from bigtime to belly-up anymore. if that was the case, sega would've died off with the saturn and nintendo would've died off with the N64/GCN since none of those lived up to their predecessors.
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:lol: Hilarious.  The Atari Founder calling the Playstation brand an "accident" and a "failure".  So, anybody know when the next Atari system is coming out? :lol:

I'm not saying he isn't right, but how ironic is that?

assassin23

Naw, under Bushnell Atari was a good company. They started to fail when Warner bought them out and he left. 

Yeah, true enough.  When was that, 78 or something?  Last I remember he was doing stuff with some touch-screen tech with uWink.

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the old geizer doesn't know jack about the "nex gen"

he's old

GET OUTTA HEWREERE 

sPOON_f33dU

That's a typical comment from a child.  Except this guy has been playing and loving video games since before you were alive and he is STILL playing them today.  He also made a career out of developing games and gaming systems.  His left testy knows more about gaming than you do, so give a little respect.  All you do is play games...  everyone does that so quit thinking it makes you special.

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Not like Atari set the stage for gaming as we know it today...oh wait it did. This Old man as some like to call him knows the in and outs of the gaming world far more then we could ever hope to.
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Not like Atari set the stage for gaming as we know it today...oh wait it did. This Old man as some like to call him knows the in and outs of the gaming world far more then we could ever hope to. Eltroz
Yeah because he knows how to not flop a console. Oh wait, 2 console flops for the Atari, oh yeah, he's an expert.