buying a tv that has no input lag

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#1 x_xion_
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ok my google tv has input lag and im going to return it my price range is 800 and below im looking for a tv that has little no input lag

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#2 Yangire
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Buy a CRT.

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#3 locopatho
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Panasonic Viera Plasma baby 8)
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#4 Joedgabe
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Get a regular HD tv... these new ones are a bit strange.. the one in the living room of this house is huge but it's a piece of crap... it's brand name is phillips so i'm warning you don't get a phillips.... it's worse than lags it's frame rate drops to 0 ( it freezes lawl ) and it has to load when you turn it on.

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#5 Yangire
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Panasonic Viera Plasma baby 8)locopatho

Isn't that 16 milliseconds of lag?

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#6 ChubbyGuy40
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Buy a CRT or buy a plasma.

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#7 aroxx_ab
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Why is this SW topic?

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#8 Joedgabe
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He wants a TV to play video games that's why it's on SW. Technically it does have to do with gaming and systems lawl

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#9 x_xion_
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He wants a TV to play video games that's why it's on SW. Technically it does have to do with gaming and systems lawl

Joedgabe

thank and my bad i mean that has little i know all hdtv has lag but i know some are good and you dont notice the lag which tv do you guys game on i got a small 22 inch and i never notice that lag but on my 40 inch google tv i can notice it

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#10 MonsieurX
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SW material?
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#11 Ben-Buja
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Turn off motion enhancers like motion plus when gaming, they increase input lag a lot.

Get a Plasma TV if you want very little input lag, they also have superior motion resolution and colour accuracy compared to LCDs.

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#13 Ravensmash
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He wants a TV to play video games that's why it's on SW. Technically it does have to do with gaming and systems lawl

Joedgabe
There's a hardware forum for purposes like this - and people frequent in there who are very knowledegable about stuff like this.
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#14 Macka9000
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get a panasonic plasma as already suggested

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He wants a TV to play video games that's why it's on SW. Technically it does have to do with gaming and systems lawl

Joedgabe

having something to do with gaming and systems does not make it a system wars topic. we have hardware forums for a reason.

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#16 Scoob64
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Panasonic plasmas are good for this i hear... on its 'game' setting.
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#17 Ben-Buja
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Panasonic plasmas are good for this i hear... on its 'game' setting.Scoob64

Any settings good as long as Intelligent Frame Creation is turned off.

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#18 forgot_it
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Why is this SW topic?

aroxx_ab
Because OP didn't realize that he/she was in System Wars, or maybe OP doesn't know better, or perhaps OP doesn't really care. All you have to do is think a little, it's not that hard.
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#19 HalcyonScarlet
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[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

He wants a TV to play video games that's why it's on SW. Technically it does have to do with gaming and systems lawl

CaseyWegner

having something to do with gaming and systems does not make it a system wars topic. we have hardware forums for a reason.

Are you no longer a mod?

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#20 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

He wants a TV to play video games that's why it's on SW. Technically it does have to do with gaming and systems lawl

HalcyonScarlet

having something to do with gaming and systems does not make it a system wars topic. we have hardware forums for a reason.

Are you no longer a mod?

'tis temporary.

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#21 Some-Mist
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Buy a CRT.

Yangire

nailed it.that or a standard definition tube tv...at least for twitch-gameplay based games.

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#22 deactivated-5f2174cc8f575
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My Sony Bravia has a game mode option which reduces imput lag significantly.

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#23 Luxen90
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All these people acting like wannabe mods can't even help this dude out?

I'm glad Yangire and Some-mist at least know what they are talking about. Listen to them.

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#24 HalcyonScarlet
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[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

having something to do with gaming and systems does not make it a system wars topic. we have hardware forums for a reason.

CaseyWegner

Are you no longer a mod?

'tis temporary.

Well, you were a good mod :), I prefer you to a certain other I wont mention.

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#25 kidcool189
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CRT's for the win. I'll happily keep trooping with my fw900 till the day it dies...then il try(and struggle) to find another :( While we're on the topic, what IS the ultimate crt television?...Ive never really looked into it.
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Best choices have been mentioned, CRT and plasma. Though, the former are rarely, if ever found in major retail outlets anymore. I personally have a 720p Panasonic Viera. 600Hz refresh rate and either I'm going blind or there is absolutely no lag over component.
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#27 Some-Mist
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CRT's for the win. I'll happily keep trooping with my fw900 till the day it dies...then il try(and struggle) to find another :( While we're on the topic, what IS the ultimate crt television?...Ive never really looked into it.kidcool189
trinitron's are nice although hard to come by. typically the newer the tv the better since the tubes will be not nearly as used/worn but those are going to be harder to come by. my buddy has a trinitron that me and some friends play smash on all the time.

for my setup I just use a CRT - 19" NEC ClearFlat MultiSync FE990. The colors don't distort when I tate the monitor for shmups, and it's perfect for quake/TFC, fighters and so fourth.

CRT monitors are very easy to come by. I bought mine for 20 dollars and then 3 weeks later I saw someone left one on the curb...sounds dirty but I snagged it and it worked perfectly so it's my backup...it has a round screen though so it's not nearly as awesome as my NEC.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Panasonic Viera Plasma baby 8)Yangire

Isn't that 16 milliseconds of lag?

16 is not really not noticeable.... At least not for regular people, only a quake/unreal tournament pro player would be able to be affected by 16ms of lag. 16ms of lag = 1 frame of lag I believe. If you want a TV with low inout lag your best bet would be the Panasonic ST30. If you dont want 16ms of lag a monitor would be your next best thing.

This one right here has 1.7ms of input lag, but its only 23"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236201

Look here for more help in the sebject

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464&page=106

http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database.145141/

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#29 Some-Mist
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16 is not really not noticeable.... At least not for regular people, only a quake/unreal tournament pro player would be able to be affected by 16ms of lag. 16ms of lag = 1 frame of lag I believe. If you want a TV with low inout lag your best bet would be the Panasonic ST30. If you dont want 16ms of lag a monitor would be your next best thing.

GTSaiyanjin2

you don't need to be a quake pro to notice the difference in bunnyhopping/rocket jumping timing between a CRT and LCD with 2ms.

I have a 1080p 2ms 24" Asus too, the unfortunate thing is that I didn't want to spend an insane amount of money to get a 120hz monitor so I get some screen tearing from time to time...but with PC gaming vsync fixes that right up. Then again my priorities are a bit different as I prefer performance > graphics and I typically play with vsync off. If I was a graphics whore I wouldn't be playing on a CRT in the first place.

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#30 2scoopsofempty
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Many TVs (Like the 52" Samsung i currently use) have a PC input, or have the ability to rename an input to PC, which eliminates post processing with little to no lag.

EDIT: just realized this was in the wrong forum

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#31 GTSaiyanjin2
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

16 is not really not noticeable.... At least not for regular people, only a quake/unreal tournament pro player would be able to be affected by 16ms of lag. 16ms of lag = 1 frame of lag I believe. If you want a TV with low inout lag your best bet would be the Panasonic ST30. If you dont want 16ms of lag a monitor would be your next best thing.

Some-Mist

you don't need to be a quake pro to notice the difference in bunnyhopping/rocket jumping timing between a CRT and LCD with 2ms.

I have a 1080p 2ms 24" Asus too, the unfortunate thing is that I didn't want to spend an insane amount of money to get a 120hz monitor so I get some screen tearing from time to time...but with PC gaming vsync fixes that right up. Then again my priorities are a bit different as I prefer performance > graphics and I typically play with vsync off. If I was a graphics whore I wouldn't be playing on a CRT in the first place.

120hz monitors still have input lag ranging between 8-16. But I really dont see how anyone would notice it if they were not a competitive gamer.

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#32 Some-Mist
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120hz monitors still have input lag ranging between 8-16. But I really dont see how anyone would notice it if they were not a competitive gamer.

GTSaiyanjin2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016168

23" 1080p 2ms 120hz monitor

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#33 Ben-Buja
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

120hz monitors still have input lag ranging between 8-16. But I really dont see how anyone would notice it if they were not a competitive gamer.

Some-Mist

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016168

23" 1080p 2ms 120hz monitor

Input lag =/= Response Time

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#34 GD1551
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You should just buy a LED monitor.

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#35 GTSaiyanjin2
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

120hz monitors still have input lag ranging between 8-16. But I really dont see how anyone would notice it if they were not a competitive gamer.

Some-Mist

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016168

23" 1080p 2ms 120hz monitor

You have to test for input lag, manufacturers dont provide you with that information. The 2ms Response Time is for how fast the screen updates the images on screen. Its not the same at all, people do get them confused all the time though.

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#37 Some-Mist
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[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

120hz monitors still have input lag ranging between 8-16. But I really dont see how anyone would notice it if they were not a competitive gamer.

GTSaiyanjin2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016168

23" 1080p 2ms 120hz monitor

You have to test for input lag, manufacturers dont provide you with that information. The 2ms Response Time is for how fast the screen updates the images on screen. Its not the same at all, people do get them confused all the time though.

true, but ghosting and distorted images doesn't really help. I also realize there is next-to-no relationship between the two - tho ghosting might be a contributing factor, but I believe it's affects a person's perception/accuracy and it's just another element to get in the way of a 1:1 experience. a 0ms 0 input lag display would be ideal - something a CRT monitor would provide.

he wants something that has no input lag - every hdtv/lcd has it.

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#38 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Theres a PS3 branded TV, I'm assuming that's optimized for gaming?

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#39 VanDammFan
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i have yet to see lag in any tv..might be your cables?

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#41 Some-Mist
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i have yet to see lag in any tv..might be your cables?

VanDammFan

do you game on an HDTV?
input lag is moreso something that you feel as opposed to see. It's most noticeable with games like guitar hero/rockband, fighters, shmups, and first person shooters. If you take a twitch based game that you play frequently on an HDTV, and you play it on a tube/crt monitor you would notice a difference with your timing - from when you input the command on the controller to the action that occurs on screen. It's miniscule but it does make a difference if you play frequently/compete.

mechanics you've gotten used to on lcds/hdtvs become even easier, or it messes up your timing if you're used to a CRT and you make the switch. it makes bunnyhopping in TFC/quake easier, it makes wavedashing in super smash bros melee easier, it makes split second dodging bullet curtains in danmakus easier, it makes executing combos in fighters easier and so fourth. If you don't really play many twitch gameplay based games it's not noticeable and more than likely it won't affect you.