Buying out 3rd parties: Who should be more ashamed?

People complaining about both Sony and Microsoft buying out 3rd party games and get mad at them for doing so but shouldn't we also be focusing our anger at the developers/publishers as well after all it takes two to tango in selling out.

Buying 3rd parties has become huge this gen since developers willingly making 3rd party exclusives for consoles is gone outside of Japan and indies becoming more available on consoles.

Should we not be more mad at the fact that AAA devs/pubs will easily sell out for a couple of dollars and they're not even selling out as full exclusives just timed exclusive games and DLC. It shows they have no loyalty to their supporters of other platforms like how Activision easily ditched Xbox and made Call of Duty's timed DLCs home Playstation and Xbox One versions may end up being crap now that there are more PS4s than X1s. It is also moronic for gamers to get happy over timed DLC being exclusive you're getting happy over the fact the company gets to butt pound you first.

Indies sell out easily, like some Indie devs that are still in Steam Early Access selling out so soon and already working on a console version when the PC version isn't even done end up slowing the progress of the game and even focusing on the console version more or the game ends up like crap because of split resources.

There desperation to succeed ends up blinding them as they'll shut off other potential platform revenue sources just because Sony or Microsoft offered them a couple of dollars to keep it exclusive forever or for several months. The desperation to get their 5 seconds of fame not even 5 minutes. For every Rocket League and Cuphead every other indie that sells out pretty much goes unnoticed in gaining popularity.

Yeah, sure we shouldn't accept companies screwing over their fans. I'm not terribly happy with the route SE went with Tomb Raider.

But I'm more let down by MS and Sony for putting money into games that would get made anyway, instead of putting that money towards games that wouldn't be made if it weren't for a partnership

You can't blame the developer/publisher for taking a lucrative deal. The shame goes to the people who have to buy exclusivity, timed or otherwise, because their first party isn't producing good games.

That's what happens when you try to make your console more appealing to the consumer.

It's all fair game to both Sony/MS as they are a business entertainment Co. after all. That said, we don't have to buy the game/DLC timely but the thing is, gamers will always buy into this scam anyways and vote with you're wallet is a myth. See Destiny's DLC.

You can count the big 3rd party console exclusives on one hand.

SF for Sony , and TR and DR for MS , but they still come to PC , so the one that need to be ashamed are people like you who think the devs owe you something.

In the case of the pub/dev why the hell should they pass up money?

There are perfectly valid things to bitch about, but a pub/dev accepting a business deal that yes will impact said game and future projects for that company because money fucking matters, isn't exactly something the gamer is entitled to. Tomb Raider was a shitty thing more so because it was announced as a multiplat, became timed exclusive. And even then it's like the first world problems of all first world problems.

There are way shittier things happening than some third party pub/dev took money. Grow up.

If anyone wants to give me six figures to exclusively talk about one system I would gladly take it.

Neither, they are businesses that do what needs to be done to make their console look better than the competiton. The developers are smart for making the deals as well, I mean they do want to make money after all. Guaranteed money is very appealing these days.

No one, they're businesses and they make business deals, it's as simple as that.

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Buying out makes sense, I mean yeah it saddens me to not see stuff come to my favorite console but that's business.

On the other hand, to watch developers themselves simply opt out of porting games because they act like fanboys themselves, and there's no incentive or disincentive for them not to, then that actually irks me more.

I never understood the entitlement of this. Microsoft and Sony are not screwing anyone over by buying out 3rd party exclusivity. It's a business deal, it's about money. We are not entitled to definitely getting a game on our console of choice just because the predecessor of the game was on said console. Or if it's 3rd party deal on a new ip. Most of you all are so entitled, i never understood how you all feel betrayed by whatever company decides to buy out or sell out. We're not sitting on a throne people. You're not getting screwed over. Get over it. I'm so tired of people complaining about it.

Doesn't change the fact that people on Playstation and Xbox can not buy them all. So should all the Xbox people who bought Street Fighter 4 not feel like the devs owe them to port SF5 to Xbox One even though they've financially supported them and it ain't like SF4 only 4 copies on Xbox.

Well when I'm giving them my money hell yeah I feel like they owe me something.

Who do these devs/pubs make these games for? The gamers? Who pay money to keep them alive.

All did was ask a question about this matter and you dismiss by calling it first world problems and try to personally attack me for it. Mindsets like this is how we can end with a future where you gotta buy an Xbox to play the first half of Titanfall 2 and a Playstation to play to the other half.

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both companies only have so many 1st party studios. and building them isn't easy. when was the last time a new big 1st part studio was opened by either company? would probably be like 3-4 years ago when MS created black tusk

@NoodleFighter: So for 4 games we need to shed blood from the devs?

It's amazing how much fairness some people want from the companies , yet you then say that they offer nothing.

What's to be ashamed about?

"exclusives"

The Gamers should be ashamed, for even thinking any of these companies are on our side on the first place.

I dismiss it because the latter example you used has nothing to do with the current one.

Street Fighter 5 wasn't going to get made any time soon without Sony footing the bill. Would Capcom eventually have made it? Probably, but considering they are a joke right now and their big hype announcement is a fucking remake of a game from 1998 sort of speaks of volumes about modern day Capcom doesn't it. Square while we're at it has more or less bled money for the last few years, with the Eidos games and Sleeping Dogs being projects that actually turned profits. So at some point deals did have to be made for the game to actually be made.

Again Tomb Raider is a poor example because that project was announced multiplat and speaks more volume of Microsoft not having a first party. But lets say you are a PC gamer and only want to play TR on PC, the worst thing that happened to you is that you had to wait, which yes is a first world problem. Because neither the game nor your experience was compromised.

The Titanfall 2 is the game being compromised, whole different ball game. That would actually be worth complaining about, never mind the sheer absurdity of it and how neither Microsoft or Sony would put themselves in position for a deal that stupid.

The nature of preorder dlc is more offensive, amibo dlc is more offensive, season passes and how they work is more offensive, how broken modern games launch, the way they are marketed, the way they are presented, and all that jazz is far more stupid and toxic to this medium. The way the gaming audience would rather put their head in the sand than accept that their are systemic failures in this industry that has created a medium that doesn't make an effort to speak to a wider audience be it gender, race, ethnicity, or faith, etc to the internet mob mentality, that shit is actually worth discussing.

This? Is a gamer taking their entitlement too far, when the solution is as simple you have to wait a little longer because somehow in a medium where hundreds of games release in a year, waiting the struggle of all struggles. And I for one am not one of those people that uses "entitled" as a negative, because I am entitled, just not about this petty shit.

Microsoft has the money to invest in 1st party studio creation and ip development to blow Sony away 10x over, and yet only recently has the Xbox head said "I want to focus on our 1st party." Just saying...

One thing that def needs to die imo though is timed exclusivity.

Why would they be ashamed?

When it comes to business, there is no such thing as shame.

MS has bought games in the past, they did it with Tales of Vesperia in the US and Europe. They did timed exclusive with Star Ocean: Last Hope and Eternal Sonata. MS has money to throw at third parties for timed exclusives. MS most likely thought it was a wise investment to have something to combat Uncharted 4. Square probably though it was a good idea as it would get a lot of xbox sales since Uncharted 4 would be getting most on PlayStation this holiday season. But I feel like this plan fell through due to Sony delaying Uncharted 4 and Fallout 4 instead getting released the same day. This could bite both MS and Square in the butt.

Basically deals happen, MS came to Square with a deal, Square seen they would have competition on the PS4 with Uncharted 4 this holiday so they went with it. All in all, if MS came to you with a huge check would you turn them down? That check probably paid for all of the employees yearly income and the equipment, meaning the sales of the game are just gravy on top.

MS because they made a half baked deal with TR. They should be ashamed for being soooo cheap. lmao

@Legend002:

I'm not defending MS but why everyone is not blaming SONY? they did the same thing with FF7 remake and SF5

There are fewer 1st and 3rd party exclusives then there have ever been in gaming. People need to stop bitching and grow up. I would hate to see how some of you would have complained in the 16 bit days.