By logic, shouldn't NG: Sigma score higher than RE4 wii edition?

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#1 CB4McGusto
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Seeing as how RE4 wii edition didn't really have anything special, but the wiimote control scheme. I figure NG: Sigma would score higher because of the extra content and graphical update, am I right? RE4 wii edition is basically the ps2 version of the game which scored a 9.3, whereas NG: Sigma is the NGBlack version(9.4) with better graphics and tons more extra content. With all that said Sigma should get a 9.5(new point system), right?
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#2 Ganon_919
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Actually it's the PS2 content, with GC graphics (excluding true widescreen), and Wii gameplay for $30.

By logic, we shouldn't know at all.

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#3 MikeE21286
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Seeing as how RE4 wii edition didn't really have anything special, but the wiimote control scheme. I figure NG: Sigma would score higher because of the extra content and graphical update, am I right? RE4 wii edition is basically the ps2 version of the game which scored a 9.3, whereas NG: Sigma is the NGBlack version(9.4) with better graphics and tons more extra content. With all that said Sigma should get a 9.5(new point system), right?CB4McGusto

Sigma will get a 9.0

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#4 Blackbond
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Logic suggest that RE4 was orginally the higher rated game and got GOTY. But then again...:P
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#5 Overthrow
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First, I gotta say, I really hate the idea of the new point system.

Anyway, it'll score higher if it's a better game.

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#6 StealthSting
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Well aren't the games now rated by 0.5? Unless it gets a 9.5 it will never surpass RE:Wii 9.1... Soo I guess this will only become a problem, for the people that care that much about it.
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#7 MikeE21286
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Well aren't the games now rated by 0.5? Unless it gets a 9.5 it will never surpass RE:Wii 9.1... Soo I guess this will only become a problem, for the people that care that much about it.
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This will be quickly solved by people equating games into their proper rounded categories to compare to future titles with the new scoring system

9.1, 9.2 will round down to 9.0

9.3 and 9.4 will be rounded up to 9.5

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#8 Silvereign
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Wait GS is changing their ratings system?
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This will be quickly solved by people equating games into their proper rounded categories to compare to future titles with the new scoring system

9.1, 9.2 will round down to 9.0

9.4 will be rounded up to 9.5

Conundrum .......What do we do with 9.3 (or 8.3 and 7.3 for example)

Well these games will be rounded based on convenience by whoever comparing the scores in an argument pretty much

MikeE21286

Ohh I can already see it :lol: .... Anyway, the 9.3 could be rounded up to 9.5, since we are talkiing about 6 digits counting with 0.

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#10 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

This will be quickly solved by people equating games into their proper rounded categories to compare to future titles with the new scoring system

9.1, 9.2 will round down to 9.0

9.4 will be rounded up to 9.5

Conundrum .......What do we do with 9.3 (or 8.3 and 7.3 for example)

Well these games will be rounded based on convenience by whoever comparing the scores in an argument pretty much

StealthSting

Ohh I can already see it :lol: .... Anyway, the 9.3 could be rounded up to 9.5, since we are talkiing about 6 digits counting with 0.

Yeah, I was trying to find my post to edit that, duh lol

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#11 Wasdie  Moderator
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No. See what is awesome about RE4 Wii edition is that it has a whole new way of controlling and a bunch of new content, NGS is just a graphical update. So most likly NGS will get AA because it is the same game with prettier graphics, and really doesn't give a new way of playing a old game.
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#12 StealthSting
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

This will be quickly solved by people equating games into their proper rounded categories to compare to future titles with the new scoring system

9.1, 9.2 will round down to 9.0

9.4 will be rounded up to 9.5

Conundrum .......What do we do with 9.3 (or 8.3 and 7.3 for example)

Well these games will be rounded based on convenience by whoever comparing the scores in an argument pretty much

MikeE21286

Ohh I can already see it :lol: .... Anyway, the 9.3 could be rounded up to 9.5, since we are talkiing about 6 digits counting with 0.

Yeah, I was trying to find my post to edit that, duh lol

But in any case you're right. I can definitely see people going all out because of this :P . I can foresee some fun times on these forums.

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Seeing as how RE4 wii edition didn't really have anything special, but the wiimote control scheme. I figure NG: Sigma would score higher because of the extra content and graphical update, am I right? RE4 wii edition is basically the ps2 version of the game which scored a 9.3, whereas NG: Sigma is the NGBlack version(9.4) with better graphics and tons more extra content. With all that said Sigma should get a 9.5(new point system), right?CB4McGusto

I'm sorry, but I was too busy staring at your avatar to read your post

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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="StealthSting"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

This will be quickly solved by people equating games into their proper rounded categories to compare to future titles with the new scoring system

9.1, 9.2 will round down to 9.0

9.4 will be rounded up to 9.5

Conundrum .......What do we do with 9.3 (or 8.3 and 7.3 for example)

Well these games will be rounded based on convenience by whoever comparing the scores in an argument pretty much

StealthSting

Ohh I can already see it :lol: .... Anyway, the 9.3 could be rounded up to 9.5, since we are talkiing about 6 digits counting with 0.

Yeah, I was trying to find my post to edit that, duh lol

But in any case you're right. I can definitely see people going all out because of this :P . I can foresee some fun times on these forums.

Yeah, going back and comparing scores of old games to those or newer ones is gonna be more impossible than before. Also, there's gonna be tons of people (probably those fanboys of systems in which it will help their cause) arguiing that based on the new scoring system ......"(X) system has more AAA's now" or what not, and then there's gonna be fights about how to round inside those threads. Yeah, I can see the next couple months of SW in a nutshell lol.

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Uh, they aren't the same game, so its apples to oranges.
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No. See what is awesome about RE4 Wii edition is that it has a whole new way of controlling and a bunch of new content, NGS is just a graphical update. So most likly NGS will get AA because it is the same game with prettier graphics, and really doesn't give a new way of playing a old game.Wasdie
No, at it's core--yes, it's the same game, but you can't deny that it does have more content. (ex. playing as Rachel). I imagine that will tilt the game, since GS seems in love with the franchise. Maybe they'll surprise me.

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Wait GS is changing their ratings system?Silvereign

First you should either read the stickies or read the home page... You never know what kind of info you would find.

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#18 Wasdie  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]No. See what is awesome about RE4 Wii edition is that it has a whole new way of controlling and a bunch of new content, NGS is just a graphical update. So most likly NGS will get AA because it is the same game with prettier graphics, and really doesn't give a new way of playing a old game.FalconZero

No, at it's core--yes, it's the same game, but you can't deny that it does have more content. (ex. playing as Rachel). I imagine that will tilt the game, since GS seems in love with the franchise. Maybe they'll surprise me.

Just some new content, but we will be playing the same great game, the same way, with prettier graphics, unlike RE4 Wii which gives players a new way to play the game through, better graphics, more content. All of that.

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#19 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="Silvereign"]Wait GS is changing their ratings system?GundamGuy0

First you should either read the stickies or read the home page... You never know what kind of info you would find.

LOL, yeah. However, I don't even practice what I preach ( I never go to the homepage, always right to the forums )

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]No. See what is awesome about RE4 Wii edition is that it has a whole new way of controlling and a bunch of new content, NGS is just a graphical update. So most likly NGS will get AA because it is the same game with prettier graphics, and really doesn't give a new way of playing a old game.FalconZero

No, at it's core--yes, it's the same game, but you can't deny that it does have more content. (ex. playing as Rachel). I imagine that will tilt the game, since GS seems in love with the franchise. Maybe they'll surprise me.

Using the arguement CB put forth would be similar to saying Halo 3 should be a 10 since its like Halo (which scored really high), but it has more stuff in it. More does not equal better in every case, and there are many more issues than just what was added to a remake...like the quality of the original.

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#21 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="FalconZero"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]No. See what is awesome about RE4 Wii edition is that it has a whole new way of controlling and a bunch of new content, NGS is just a graphical update. So most likly NGS will get AA because it is the same game with prettier graphics, and really doesn't give a new way of playing a old game.SpruceCaboose

No, at it's core--yes, it's the same game, but you can't deny that it does have more content. (ex. playing as Rachel). I imagine that will tilt the game, since GS seems in love with the franchise. Maybe they'll surprise me.

Using the arguement CB put forth would be similar to saying Halo 3 should be a 10 since its like Halo (which scored really high), but it has more stuff in it. More does not equal better in every case, and there are many more issues than just what was added to a remake...like the quality of the original.

But holding all things of meaning equal (which they pretty much are in this case) when you are trying to figure out the scores

All things being..........Release Date and Original Score Pretty Much

The only thing you can compare the two is in the new content they add. Now you're right, that more does not always equal better. But in this case with NGS, I don't see how more can not equal better. I mean there are new missions, costumes and highly upgraded graphics.

With RE4 the change was in the control scheme, but other than that there were no additions.

I would say that they should (or would have with the older scoring system) get basically the same score.

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But holding all things of meaning equal (which they pretty much are in this case) when you are trying to figure out the scores

All things being..........Release Date and Original Score Pretty Much

The only thing you can compare the two is in the new content they add. Now you're right, that more does not always equal better. But in this case with NGS, I don't see how more can not equal better. I mean there are new missions, costumes and highly upgraded graphics.

With RE4 the change was in the control scheme, but other than that there were no additions.

I would say that they should (or would have with the older scoring system) get basically the same score.

MikeE21286

All things are not equal. Did the same reviewer review all four games? Were they played in the same moods (which will affect the score). Reviews are subjective. Maybe RE4 was more fun than NGS. Maybe the reviewer just got dumped. Who knows. I am just saying that using the arguement that one game got a high score means another should as well is not solid logic.

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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]But holding all things of meaning equal (which they pretty much are in this case) when you are trying to figure out the scores

All things being..........Release Date and Original Score Pretty Much

The only thing you can compare the two is in the new content they add. Now you're right, that more does not always equal better. But in this case with NGS, I don't see how more can not equal better. I mean there are new missions, costumes and highly upgraded graphics.

With RE4 the change was in the control scheme, but other than that there were no additions.

I would say that they should (or would have with the older scoring system) get basically the same score.

SpruceCaboose

All things are not equal. Did the same reviewer review all four games? Were they played in the same moods (which will affect the score). Reviews are subjective. Maybe RE4 was more fun than NGS. Maybe the reviewer just got dumped. Who knows. I am just saying that using the arguement that one game got a high score means another should as well is not solid logic.

True, your right, I forgot about reviewer. Thtat's a biggie.

Yeah, can't account for that. Comparing scores is pretty much impossible in all aspects.

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#24 SpruceCaboose
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True, your right, I forgot about reviewer. Thtat's a biggie.

Yeah, can't account for that. Comparing scores is pretty much impossible in all aspects.

MikeE21286

Its alright. I do it too. You see the site name and you automatically assume a "9" means all "9"s should be the same quality. However, its not true all the time, and reviews are more guideline than anything, and its more important and useful to read the review's text than to look at the number.

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#25 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

True, your right, I forgot about reviewer. Thtat's a biggie.

Yeah, can't account for that. Comparing scores is pretty much impossible in all aspects.

SpruceCaboose

Its alright. I do it too. You see the site name and you automatically assume a "9" means all "9"s should be the same quality. However, its not true all the time, and reviews are more guideline than anything, and its more important and useful to read the review's text than to look at the number.

Yeah, Text> Numbers. Too bad we can't argue about descriptions, but only numbers :P

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Yeah, Text> Numbers. Too bad we can't argue about descriptions, but only numbers :P MikeE21286

True, and that looks to get more difficult after June 25th! :D

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TC your avatar is awesome *drools* mmmmmmmm booty.

Anyway, i dont see anything wrong with your logic.

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="FalconZero"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]No. See what is awesome about RE4 Wii edition is that it has a whole new way of controlling and a bunch of new content, NGS is just a graphical update. So most likly NGS will get AA because it is the same game with prettier graphics, and really doesn't give a new way of playing a old game.MikeE21286

No, at it's core--yes, it's the same game, but you can't deny that it does have more content. (ex. playing as Rachel). I imagine that will tilt the game, since GS seems in love with the franchise. Maybe they'll surprise me.

Using the arguement CB put forth would be similar to saying Halo 3 should be a 10 since its like Halo (which scored really high), but it has more stuff in it. More does not equal better in every case, and there are many more issues than just what was added to a remake...like the quality of the original.

But holding all things of meaning equal (which they pretty much are in this case) when you are trying to figure out the scores

All things being..........Release Date and Original Score Pretty Much

The only thing you can compare the two is in the new content they add. Now you're right, that more does not always equal better. But in this case with NGS, I don't see how more can not equal better. I mean there are new missions, costumes and highly upgraded graphics.

With RE4 the change was in the control scheme, but other than that there were no additions.

I would say that they should (or would have with the older scoring system) get basically the same score.

One other factor might be the price of the game itself. RE4 Wii costs only $30 where as NG:S costs $60. That's when it would boil down to wheter or not the new content along with the updated content is worth $60.

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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="FalconZero"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]No. See what is awesome about RE4 Wii edition is that it has a whole new way of controlling and a bunch of new content, NGS is just a graphical update. So most likly NGS will get AA because it is the same game with prettier graphics, and really doesn't give a new way of playing a old game.CuDDKiDD

No, at it's core--yes, it's the same game, but you can't deny that it does have more content. (ex. playing as Rachel). I imagine that will tilt the game, since GS seems in love with the franchise. Maybe they'll surprise me.

Using the arguement CB put forth would be similar to saying Halo 3 should be a 10 since its like Halo (which scored really high), but it has more stuff in it. More does not equal better in every case, and there are many more issues than just what was added to a remake...like the quality of the original.

But holding all things of meaning equal (which they pretty much are in this case) when you are trying to figure out the scores

All things being..........Release Date and Original Score Pretty Much

The only thing you can compare the two is in the new content they add. Now you're right, that more does not always equal better. But in this case with NGS, I don't see how more can not equal better. I mean there are new missions, costumes and highly upgraded graphics.

With RE4 the change was in the control scheme, but other than that there were no additions.

I would say that they should (or would have with the older scoring system) get basically the same score.

One other factor might be the price of the game itself. RE4 Wii costs only $30 where as NG:S costs $60. That's when it would boil down to wheter or not the new content along with the updated content is worth $60.

Yes, that's a good point. I don't know. I'm indifferent on wheter or not price should equate into a final score. I understand that it should, and I would never hold opposition to anyone who says so (because I mean the reviews are for people to judge what they should buy). But I guess I wouldn't want to knock a quality game down because it cost more.

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I think NG :S should score more , idk I loved the demo on the PS3 even though I beat the Xbox version.
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[QUOTE="FalconZero"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]No. See what is awesome about RE4 Wii edition is that it has a whole new way of controlling and a bunch of new content, NGS is just a graphical update. So most likly NGS will get AA because it is the same game with prettier graphics, and really doesn't give a new way of playing a old game.Wasdie

No, at it's core--yes, it's the same game, but you can't deny that it does have more content. (ex. playing as Rachel). I imagine that will tilt the game, since GS seems in love with the franchise. Maybe they'll surprise me.

Just some new content, but we will be playing the same great game, the same way, with prettier graphics, unlike RE4 Wii which gives players a new way to play the game through, better graphics, more content. All of that.

Not really. Both franchises have gone through 3 real iterations. With RE4 it's the original, the Ps2, and then the Wii. I'll spare you the list.

On to the point. I personally don't believe a remake should ever score higher than the original, especially a remake such as Sigma...which is a remake of a remake. Go figure. The effort just doesn't seem to be there anymore after the third iteration, the content and ideas could've been used in a NEW game.

Think of Sigma this way: You're a professer at a university...ok, fine, you're a teacher in high school ( :P ), you get an essay from a student. He does an outstanding job. On his next essay, you notice it's the same thing but with tweaks and more words, maybe an extra paragraph or two. Will you give him a higher score simply because it has the same winning content? I wouldn't.

Now with the Wii RE4, imagine that essay, but it's written, word for word on a nicer sheet of paper. Cause that's basically it. If I had to choose who gets the higher score, I'm going with the guy that at least gave me some new content--even if it is just a paragraph.