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#52 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]Kind of like killswitch had cover but gears gets most of the credit because it made it popular right? Ohhh burn. That's my point. MS made it widespread, they proved how easy it was to take our money. NubTub_of_Win
kind of like killswitch has lame cover, was ineffective and it was just as easy to just run around never in cover or just hide behind a few objects to reload...where as cover is essential in gears of war, and its near impossible even on easy difficulty to get through the entire game without using cover alot.

Lol you just sort of owned yourself because that's exactly my point. MS did it better too... lol.

I owned my self. So your original statement is that Microsoft ripped off Killswitch with gears of war as though its some sort of bad thing... My statement was that Killswitch was a lame game, its cover system was useless and uneeded at even harder difficulties you could go around running and gunning, with the majority of time when you did cover being just to reload and thats it.... gears of war actually had a working, worthwhile needed cover system, you had to use it even on easy difficulty to beat the game.
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#53 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] Sega? What does Sega have to do with any of this? If your going to tell me that they charged for DLC last gen or soemthing, noone even knows about that... MS made it an every game thing. NubTub_of_Win

oh, so it's all about perception then? :lol:

Yes. It's about it being widespread and common, not about it happening on one game in the middle of thousands. It's common to every game this gen thanks to MS.

somebody never used sega net.

by the way, sega net had monthly fees, not early. And it was more expensive than XBL's

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#54 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="johnlennon28"]ms is ruining gamingKeiji993

?

M$ makes companies charge for DLCs, makes you buy their products, paying to play online when people already have to pay for internet monthly, etc.

So does Sony. I can't think of too many devs besides Valve who tries to release free DLC in the first place. What products are you speaking of? I do agree about xbox live to some extent. You know Sega also charged for their online service which was more expensive than xbox live? Also even when having Sega service you had to pay extra fees to play some of the titles. (I.E Phantasy Star online)

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#55 Keiji993
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[QUOTE="Keiji993"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] ?

WilliamRLBaker

M$ makes companies charge for DLCs, makes you buy their products, paying to play online when people already have to pay for internet monthly, etc.

MS charges consumers if the developer refuses to pay, it costs money to host, test, and make sure all DLC works and is constantly up. if a developer says hey we want the consumer to have it for free heres a check for how much it cost to host, test and all that...=consumers get it for free. Microsoft MAKES you buy their products? really? you mean I some how have this urge to buy microsoft products and none other? or just not buy the product at all? hmm I did not know that.

Why do you have a PSN? All of your posts are anti-Sony and you bash the PS3 even when noone even talks about Sony.
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#56 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"][QUOTE="Keiji993"]

M$ makes companies charge for DLCs, makes you buy their products, paying to play online when people already have to pay for internet monthly, etc.

Keiji993

So in that case Sony MAKE you pay for DLC as well its not all free on PSN you know.

The point is that microsoft MAKES the companies charge for DLC so M$ can make extra money.

um no. again As I said earlier. if the developer wants it to be free then the developer pays for its hosting, its testing...ect If they dont want to pay then the consumer pays. Microsoft is a buisness its here to make money, just like those developers, the developers seem to think that when they do want the consumer to have it for free that Microsoft should be the ones to pay for every thing, hosting, testing..ect why is it Microsoft should have to pay for all of that? we can get this stuff for free as long as someone pays for it, If we got it for free microsoft or the developer or publisher would have to pay. There are many free items on xbox live, there are many free items on psn... BUT the majority of items on xbox live and psn cost money.
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#57 moose_knuckler
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My fav. this gen console is the 360 and I've how MS really is.....another company trying to make a profit.
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#58 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Keiji993"]

M$ makes companies charge for DLCs, makes you buy their products, paying to play online when people already have to pay for internet monthly, etc.

Keiji993

MS charges consumers if the developer refuses to pay, it costs money to host, test, and make sure all DLC works and is constantly up. if a developer says hey we want the consumer to have it for free heres a check for how much it cost to host, test and all that...=consumers get it for free. Microsoft MAKES you buy their products? really? you mean I some how have this urge to buy microsoft products and none other? or just not buy the product at all? hmm I did not know that.

Why do you have a PSN? All of your posts are anti-Sony and you bash the PS3 even when noone even talks about Sony.

1.I have every major system this generaton, I owned every major system last gen, and the gen before that.I like to be well rounded, I play games so I have a right to talk about them good or bad.

2.I only ever talk about playstation unless its brought up, or others Condemn xbox 360 for activities that the ps3 does, and the ps2 did last gen. I fight rampant hypocrisy is what I do, I am willing to pay the money for my hobby to get out there and buy the systems and games, regardless of my fanboy affiliation because I fight the rampant hypocrisy here on system wars. Microsoft does 1 thing yet sony does it and its not wrong, I rarely see Lemmings getting hypocritic in this way, But cows do it constantly if sony does it then its perfectly fine, but if microsoft does any thing then it is instantly wrong.

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#59 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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None of MS practices would have survived if the consumer didn't like/support them. So I suppose MS is (another) company that gives the consumer things he will like/support. Which I'm perfectly fine with.
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#60 Ravensmash
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Care to give me any examples of why I should hate a software company? I will carefully consider any VALID points you make.
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#63 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="IronBass"]None of MS practices would have survived if the consumer didn't like/support them. So I suppose MS is (another) company that gives the consumer things he will like/support. Which I'm perfectly fine with.

Rofl people love paying for Xbox Live, and map packs going from free to payed was just as lovable.. rofl.. Great logic man.

Well you pay for Xbox Live, and map packs going from free to premium wasn't exactly a surprise. DLC was premium on the original Xbox Live, as soon as publishers saw how popular they were - of course they were going to charge. You honestly think that they'd stay free? And if that's all MS's fault and not the publishers....then why do Sony charge? :lol:
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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Care to give me any examples of why I should hate a software company? I will carefully consider any VALID points you make.

When it's too obvious their primary goal is profit and that reflects on the quality of the products they make and their cost. Like Microsoft. Like Activision.

like sony
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Rofl people love paying for Xbox Live, and map packs going from free to payed was just as lovable.. rofl.. Great logic man. NubTub_of_Win
Well, 20M people bought CoD map packs. And more than that paid for a Gold membership. They are supporting what Activision and MS offer.
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#66 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Care to give me any examples of why I should hate a software company? I will carefully consider any VALID points you make.

When it's too obvious their primary goal is profit and that reflects on the quality of the products they make and their cost. Like Microsoft. Like Activision.

That's not an example. Every business' primary goal is profit ....
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#67 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="IronBass"]None of MS practices would have survived if the consumer didn't like/support them. So I suppose MS is (another) company that gives the consumer things he will like/support. Which I'm perfectly fine with.

Rofl people love paying for Xbox Live, and map packs going from free to payed was just as lovable.. rofl.. Great logic man.

Systemwars fact# 706 Sony would never do such a thing, Infact sony gives away all their products for free, all dlc is free, psn, home, home avatar items every thing is free..sony is a charitable orginzation and makes no money at all from their endevours...their Tv products? free. *goes out right now to get a 50 inch top of the line Sony LED or LCD tv its free right?*
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#69 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Care to give me any examples of why I should hate a software company? I will carefully consider any VALID points you make.

When it's too obvious their primary goal is profit and that reflects on the quality of the products they make and their cost. Like Microsoft. Like Activision.

like sony

It's ridiculous to think that MS are some greedy company and Sony aren't. Sony are trying to flog 3DTV's, when people are still switching to HD broadcasts! "Experience games in 3D, like never before! - But buy our expensive new TV's please!"
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Selling a console since launch at an enoumous loss, taking huge hits finacially and STILL funding/making TONS of new games, even risky titles. Keeping free online, adding a ton of value into the PS3, keeping it as open as possible with acessories and upgrades... You'll need to elaborate on that.NubTub_of_Win
Charging $600 for a videogame console with less games than a $200 one just to win a format war that had nothing to do with videogames. Charging $250 for a handheld with less games than its $120 competitor just to experiment if DD is viable or not.
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Ok..

First, I dislike paying for XBL. There's no getting around that. Having said that I can't gripe at $50 a year as oppose to say $10 a month which is what they could be charging. Plus they offer a few services I enjoy like Netflicks and Zune Marketplace.. (no it's not the best way to view movies but it's convenient). I experience very little lag with games and everything is connected to one another. Having said that I believe this will be the last year I support Live.

Second, I have more software for my 360 than last gen, and I owned ALL THREE SYSTEMS! M$ wisely courted 3rd party devs and built relationships that netted them great software. All the fanboys caught up with this "exclusive" talk are missing out on a lot of great software. Sure it'd be nice if M$ concentrated on 1st party games but I believe a lot of you are forgetting the dismal software 1st party lineup of the XB.


Do you really want another sequel to this guy??? :?

M$ is a BUSINESS like all the other companies and they're in this BUSINESS to make money.. Not give fanboys everything under the flipping sun something for nothing.

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Suits in an industry for creative minds. All these companis needs to run a good business, make profit, survive, prosper. There is however a difference between being simply a suit, and being a business that balances creativity and vision with it's business plans. The gaming industry doesn't need Microsoft's and Activisions, it needs Sony's, Nintendo's, Valve's, Blizzard's and so on, companies that know how to take your money and still make you feel like they deserve it, give you your money's worth, not nickle and dime you and throw you into situation where you either give up your moral ideal or miss out on important aspects of gaming this generation.

Just like what happened in the PC gaming world, evenutally everyone caught on to MS's shady way of doing business, and everyone started to hate them, I firmly believe by next gen a HUGE part of 360 fans will follow the same route.

What do you guys think? You like the way MS does things? Already hate them? Agree? Disagree?

NubTub_of_Win

Bold = Interesting lol. So lets start off with SONY. Just explain how Sony who realesed a £600 console with the motto "people will work harder to get one, it will install disipline" + NO dualshock controller who needs that + tagged on motion controlls which noone uses to any decent effect. Lets also add the none existant HDMI cable or HD cable straight from the box. So far not looking so different from how the 360 was done but costing less to actually buy the machine with better games from launch time.

Nintendo? I am no way a fan of motion gimick controllers nor the lack of new gaming characters and story lines + the lack of decent online ability and the view of "graphics do not matter". Also casual market is obvs the best way to goooo

Valve; these are interesting because I see constant support of TF2 yet no support for CSS for the past 8934893 year its been out until recently the micky mouse upgrade that was not worth it imo. Then you have the Half life series which is spread out over so many years for such little playing time it seems a little bit stupid + portal the game that either you loved or hated. I was more the hated it after a while since it got annoying and a bit samey samey.

Blizzard seem to produce decent games which stay decent for years upon years and are truely the PC dev. I can't stand WoW I can not think of a more boring pointless game if I tried. It lacks so many things and the visuals make my eyes bleed. However starcraft 2 looks awesome although the hype of the actual modding seems a bit overestimate of what is actually possible. The racing and TPS looks to be tacked on and no real use for anything "awesome".

What happened to the PC gaming world? The exact same thing would happen if each console manufactor made 83748738473 configurations of hardware. Add on the threat of virus + massive costs (you go into PC world, Dell etc and find a computer that can run games cheaply) + WoW and the horribly support for community which will drop games in second if they do not like having full control. Pc gaming is not dieing its just evolving; not into anything that will give constant mega selling games but the occasional gem.

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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] When it's too obvious their primary goal is profit and that reflects on the quality of the products they make and their cost. Like Microsoft. Like Activision.

like sony

Selling a console since launch at an enoumous loss, taking huge hits finacially and STILL funding/making TONS of new games, even risky titles. Keeping free online, adding a ton of value into the PS3, keeping it as open as possible with acessories and upgrades... You'll need to elaborate on that.

charging for an ethernet and harddrive adaptor last gen, charging for memory cards required...I could go on? removing linux support, removing ps2 Bc...ect all to lower the price of the system and start making a profit.... hmm seems to me...that for a FACT the 360 has upgraded, and added more value and options to it over the years...where as sony has continuely removed options of the ps3...
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It's a product, you buy it if you want it... Do you get mad at car companies for making new cars? That's really odd man. NubTub_of_Win
That exact same logic applies to Live and map packs.
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Do you really want another sequel to this guy??? :?OhSnapitz
actually Blynx was made by a thid party dev I believe[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] Selling a console since launch at an enoumous loss, taking huge hits finacially and STILL funding/making TONS of new games, even risky titles. Keeping free online, adding a ton of value into the PS3, keeping it as open as possible with acessories and upgrades... You'll need to elaborate on that.

as Iron Bass pointed out 600 dollar PS3 with no games just so they could win the format wars Charging $250 for a handheld with less games than its $120 competitor just to experiment if DD is viable or not.
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yea for being such a sony nut hugger you seem to forget the 600$ price tag they started with

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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] When it's too obvious their primary goal is profit and that reflects on the quality of the products they make and their cost. Like Microsoft. Like Activision.

like sony

Selling a console since launch at an enoumous loss, taking huge hits finacially and STILL funding/making TONS of new games, even risky titles. Keeping free online, adding a ton of value into the PS3, keeping it as open as possible with acessories and upgrades... You'll need to elaborate on that.

That console is still more expensive than any other in 2010. And all of those accessories and upgrades cost money - MS have added a ton of value in the 360 by introducing Kinect, Netflix, Last. FM, Instant 1080p movies, Sky Player (free for me as my family have a sub). See I can do it too. Stop pretending as though Sony are your saviour or something, they're a business - and you're the guy on a message board praising them to no end because you want to justify your purchase. Let's be honest, they could start charging YOU for online and you'd turn it into a good thing suddenly.
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Ok..

First, I dislike paying for XBL. There's no getting around that. Having said that I can't gripe at $50 a year as oppose to say $10 a month which is what they could be charging. Plus they offer a few services I enjoy like Netflicks and Zune Marketplace.. (no it's not the best way to view movies but it's convenient). I experience very little lag with games and everything is connected to one another. Having said that I believe this will be the last year I support Live.

Second, I have more software for my 360 than last gen, and I owned ALL THREE SYSTEMS! M$ wisely courted 3rd party devs and built relationships that netted them great software. All the fanboys caught up with this "exclusive" talk are missing out on a lot of great software. Sure it'd be nice if M$ concentrated on 1st party games but I believe a lot of you are forgetting the dismal software 1st party lineup of the XB.


Do you really want another sequel to this guy??? :?

M$ is a BUSINESS like all the other companies and they're in this BUSINESS to make money.. Not give fanboys everything under the flipping sun something for nothing.

OhSnapitz

:| that was actually a pretty awsome and inventive game, did you even play it? By the way there was a sequal and that game was kinda bad, but the original was pretty amazing for a last gen game and original to boot.

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#80 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"] like sony NubTub_of_Win
It's ridiculous to think that MS are some greedy company and Sony aren't. Sony are trying to flog 3DTV's, when people are still switching to HD broadcasts! "Experience games in 3D, like never before! - But buy our expensive new TV's please!"

"Trying to flog" for making 3D tv's? wow man... It's a product, you buy it if you want it... Do you get mad at car companies for making new cars? That's really odd man.

360 is a product, buy it if you want, it has great games, great online for 50 dollars or less a year...ect ps3 is a product, buy if it you want, it has great games, good online for free...ect Hmm see what I did there? I used your logic against you. you are continually complaining about stuff that sony is doing as well. both companies want profit, they go about it in different ways, which way is best is subjective, and you cannot say which one is wrong in what they do, Sony has some pretty bad practices they've done in the past 15 years since they entered the console race and they still have bad practices.
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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]Rofl people love paying for Xbox Live, and map packs going from free to payed was just as lovable.. rofl.. Great logic man. IronBass
Well, 20M people bought CoD map packs. And more than that paid for a Gold membership. They are supporting what Activision and MS offer.

It's less of a choice with MS; more of a rip-off with Activision.
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#82 Vadamee
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Sony invented gaming, all you lemmings just need to accept this fact. Sony > MSFT Playstation > Xbox
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#83 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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It's less of a choice with MS; more of a rip-off with Activision.RogueShodown
You can always choose. That's a fact. And what's a rip-off or not depends on the buyer. If many people thought they were a rip-off, those map packs wouldn't have sold that much.
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[QUOTE="Vadamee"]Sony invented gaming, all you lemmings just need to accept this fact. Sony > MSFT Playstation > Xbox

Erm. If anything, MS has more of a claim in inventing gaming than Sony... (Neither did, I'm just saying that MS's history is a lot longer).
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You guys need better ammo. The 600$ launch price was selling for a 200$ loss at least. NubTub_of_Win
Selling at a loss or not, it was by a considerable margin the most expensive console on the market, with no other exclusive to compete with the 360 than RFoM. And only because Sony wanted to win a format war.
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] actually Blynx was made by a thid party dev I believe[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] Selling a console since launch at an enoumous loss, taking huge hits finacially and STILL funding/making TONS of new games, even risky titles. Keeping free online, adding a ton of value into the PS3, keeping it as open as possible with acessories and upgrades... You'll need to elaborate on that.NubTub_of_Win
as Iron Bass pointed out 600 dollar PS3 with no games just so they could win the format wars Charging $250 for a handheld with less games than its $120 competitor just to experiment if DD is viable or not.

You guys need better ammo. The 600$ launch price was selling for a 200$ loss at least. And blue ray players alone from OTHER companies cost around 1k. That's a terrible arguement. And the PSP Go was like a friggen test, you bought it if you wanted that kind of handheld, it wasn't an upgrade... It was just another model, you still have all the other psp's.. I don't even understand why that is mentioned... It wasn't a "buy this or you miss out on something" move...

Why do you care if it was selling at a loss?!?! You are NOT a Sony board member. I don't care about what they do behind the scenes financially, I'm more interested in how many £'s it costs.

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#88 tbone802
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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="IronBass"]None of MS practices would have survived if the consumer didn't like/support them. So I suppose MS is (another) company that gives the consumer things he will like/support. Which I'm perfectly fine with.

Rofl people love paying for Xbox Live, and map packs going from free to payed was just as lovable.. rofl.. Great logic man.

I seem to remember having to pay for map packs for Socom 3 on the PS2...I suppose that was all MS and had nothing to do with Zipper or Sony?
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#89 ohthemanatee
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You guys need better ammo. The 600$ launch price was selling for a 200$ loss at least. And blue ray players alone from OTHER companies cost around 1k. That's a terrible arguement. And the PSP Go was like a friggen test, you bought it if you wanted that kind of handheld, it wasn't an upgrade... It was just another model, you still have all the other psp's.. I don't even understand why that is mentioned... It wasn't a "buy this or you miss out on something" move...NubTub_of_Win

so they could win the format war

sony forced blu-ray on you

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#90 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]

[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

3242347238th post of the day regarding my sig lol

hyperjayson

Jailbait imo... :?

shes 20 years old, DURRRR

Even there in your sig? Yeah, so anyway, didn't read. But if PS4 is an expensive POS then there will be no need for it again and I will get the next Xbox.
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#92 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]You guys need better ammo. The 600$ launch price was selling for a 200$ loss at least. NubTub_of_Win
Selling at a loss or not, it was by a considerable margin the most expensive console on the market, with no other exclusive to compete with the 360 than RFoM. And only because Sony wanted to win a format war.

So? That's completly irrelevant to the post you originally quoted about the primary goal being profits, and that reflecting on the quality and cost etc. Those are terrible arguements... Like I said there needs to be a balance, it being expensive doesn't translate into being greedy.

The top tier 360 is still cheaper than a PS3 in 2010, that's my issue.
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#93 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]You guys need better ammo. The 600$ launch price was selling for a 200$ loss at least. NubTub_of_Win
Selling at a loss or not, it was by a considerable margin the most expensive console on the market, with no other exclusive to compete with the 360 than RFoM. And only because Sony wanted to win a format war.

So? That's completly irrelevant to the post you originally quoted about the primary goal being profits, and that reflecting on the quality and cost etc. Those are terrible arguements... Like I said there needs to be a balance, it being expensive doesn't translate into being greedy.

I guess that means sony is the greediest company

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So? That's completly irrelevant to the post you originally quoted about the primary goal being profits, and that reflecting on the quality and cost etc. Those are terrible arguements... Like I said there needs to be a balance, it being expensive doesn't translate into being greedy.NubTub_of_Win

Profit of a single division is not the only way a company can earn money.

Sony as a whole won a lot thanks to the PS3 supporting Blu-Ray (which lead to them winning the format war), despite their gaming division losing money.

In other words, Sony charged $600 for a gaming console so non-gaming related divisions earn more money.

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#96 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] So? That's completly irrelevant to the post you originally quoted about the primary goal being profits, and that reflecting on the quality and cost etc. Those are terrible arguements... Like I said there needs to be a balance, it being expensive doesn't translate into being greedy.NubTub_of_Win

oh look... I guess that means Microsoft is the less greedy of the 3

Them being failures doesn't excuse them from being greedy.

So you finally agree that the PS3 is a faliure and that sony is greedy? good for you

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#97 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"] So? That's completly irrelevant to the post you originally quoted about the primary goal being profits, and that reflecting on the quality and cost etc. Those are terrible arguements... Like I said there needs to be a balance, it being expensive doesn't translate into being greedy.NubTub_of_Win

oh look... I guess that means Microsoft is the less greedy of the 3

Them being failures doesn't excuse them from being greedy.

They're not really 'failures' - they're the biggest tech company in the world. You still haven't given me compelling evidence as to why they're greedy. And if it's such an issue, why did you buy a 360 and pay for Gold? You're only encouraging this 'greediness' that you speak of. So technically, you're they're excuse for being 'greedy'. (although they aren't really any more so than any other big business).

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#99 jasonharris48
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Sony invented gaming, all you lemmings just need to accept this fact. Sony > MSFT Playstation > XboxVadamee
Sony invented gaming? Please get out of here with that Ralph Bear invented gaming. User like you is what makes system wars so damn funny. Gaming has been around wa before Sony even stepped in the industries.

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#100 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"]So? That's completly irrelevant to the post you originally quoted about the primary goal being profits, and that reflecting on the quality and cost etc. Those are terrible arguements... Like I said there needs to be a balance, it being expensive doesn't translate into being greedy.NubTub_of_Win

Profit of a single division is not the only way a company can earn money.

Sony as a whole won a lot thanks to the PS3 supporting Blu-Ray (which lead to them winning the format war), despite their gaming division losing money.

In other words, Sony charged $600 for a gaming console so non-gaming related divisions earn more money.

That's part of it yes. But they also charged 600 because less and they'd go completly under lol. Just think about the concept of making something that costs you 800+$ and selling it for 600$. I mean I know they hope and plan to make it back, but it's still a huge risk. That's need being greedy imo. And at the time the console packed a hell of a punch, it just lacked more killer apps. But that's another story. Imo they had vision, they had a plan, they went for it, and it's really starting to pay off. The high price hurt, but when you know the story I think there was no other way. Sony has always been this type of company, I like them for it.

I can say the exact same for MS and the 360, without the lacklustre launch.