By Next Gen Even 360 Fans will Have Seen MS for What They Really Are.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Profit of a single division is not the only way a company can earn money.

Sony as a whole won a lot thanks to the PS3 supporting Blu-Ray (which lead to them winning the format war), despite their gaming division losing money.

In other words, Sony charged $600 for a gaming console so non-gaming related divisions earn more money.

NubTub_of_Win

so... an overpriced console packed with features that are not gaming related with no games at launch is a good thing? :lol:

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

Profit of a single division is not the only way a company can earn money.

Sony as a whole won a lot thanks to the PS3 supporting Blu-Ray (which lead to them winning the format war), despite their gaming division losing money.

In other words, Sony charged $600 for a gaming console so non-gaming related divisions earn more money.

ohthemanatee

so... an overpriced console packed with features that are not gaming related with no games at launch is a good thing? :lol:

That's part of it yes. But they also charged 600 because less and they'd go completly under lol. Just think about the concept of making something that costs you 800+$ and selling it for 600$. I mean I know they hope and plan to make it back, but it's still a huge risk. That's need being greedy imo. And at the time the console packed a hell of a punch, it just lacked more killer apps. But that's another story. Imo they had vision, they had a plan, they went for it, and it's really starting to pay off. The high price hurt, but when you know the story I think there was no other way. Sony has always been this type of company, I like them for it. NubTub_of_Win

Interesting, but you liking them or not is not the point.

Fact is, Sony charged gamers$600 for a gaming console (offering lessgames than the -cheaper- competiton) so they could win a non-gamingrelated format war.

It's not better than Activision charging for map packs or MS charging for Live.

And it wasn't overpriced. It was expensive.NubTub_of_Win

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

so... an overpriced console packed with features that are not gaming related with no games at launch is a good thing? :lol:

NubTub_of_Win

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Only if a company called Sony do it. :PRavensmash

It was selling at a loss. It was underpriced. Expensive =/= Overpriced.NubTub_of_Win

companies that know how to take your money and still make you feel like they deserve it, give you your money's worth, not nickle and dime you and throw you into situation where you either give up your moral ideal or miss out on important aspects of gaming this generation..genaroll

[QUOTE="genaroll"] companies that know how to take your money and still make you feel like they deserve it, give you your money's worth, not nickle and dime you and throw you into situation where you either give up your moral ideal or miss out on important aspects of gaming this generation..nervmeister

It was selling at a loss. It was underpriced. Expensive =/= Overpriced. NubTub_of_Win

It selling at a loss does not make itless overpriced in any way.

What's overpriced or not is defined by the consumer and it's perception of a product's value, not by how much it costs to make.

The simple fact that the PS3 needed 3 (or 4, can't remember)price cuts, a new SKU and a redesign to actually start selling better than the 360 says a lot about how the consumer perceived its value.

This is true but I doubt that people will see much of anything.. When you have people defending Microsoft practices and actions, you know they get what they deserve.

1. you want to pay for P2P fine
2. you want to pay MS for an inexpensive HDD fine
3. you want to pay MS for 3 party DLC that is free on PSN fine
4. you want to pay MS to use Hulu+ or Netflex whento access theseon PSN you do not pay Sony fine
5. You want to pay for Propriatary usb drives caped so people can pay more for a HDD which rakes in the profits.
6. you want to pay for a console that gives less for the same price fine.

Xbox 360 launched in 2005at $399.99 Dollars, the price droped in a few times while changing SKUs and with the launch of Xbox 250GB SKU in 2010 the price is now $299.99 WOW it has dropped a wopping $100.00 Dollars after 4 1/2 years. Compare that to PS3 lauch 2006 of $500.00 dollars and after a Slimming effect it became $299.99 IN 2009 after 3 years it dorpped $200.00 Dollars!!

This is true but I doubt that people will see much of anything.. When you have people defending Microsoft practices and actions, you know they get what they deserve.

1. you want to pay for P2P fine
2. you want to pay MS for an inexpensive HDD fine
3. you want to pay MS for 3 party DLC that is free on PSN fine
4. you want to pay MS to use Hulu+ or Netflex whento access theseon PSN you do not pay Sony fine
5. You want to pay for Propriatary usb drives caped so people can pay more for a HDD which rakes in the profits.
6. you want to pay for a console that gives less for the same price fine.

Xbox 360 launched in 2005at $399.99 Dollars, the price droped in a few times while changing SKUs and with the launch of Xbox 250GB SKU in 2010 the price is now $299.99 WOW it has dropped a wopping $100.00 Dollars after 4 1/2 years. Compare that to PS3 lauch 2006 of $500.00 dollars and after a Slimming effect it became $299.99 IN 2009 after 3 years it dorpped $200.00 Dollars!!

Ravenlore_basic

And what 3rd party DLC is free on PS3, but premium on Xbox 360?

[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="genaroll"] companies that know how to take your money and still make you feel like they deserve it, give you your money's worth, not nickle and dime you and throw you into situation where you either give up your moral ideal or miss out on important aspects of gaming this generation..ohthemanatee

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]This part I can agree with. As for the rest, to be fair, MS has cranked out worthwhile games this gen. And they (finally) do offer free DLC like Sony does (eg. Alan Wake).nervmeister

You'll see that PSN+ is a actually a way to trick people into paying for online. It's now actually defendable having PSN+ because it does offer some or a lot (depending on you) value. But by the time PS4 is around...Sony will make you pay for it since it has worked for M$.
So you'll be seeing M$ setting the standard to hold your MP portion of your games for ransom, for the very same games you ALREADY DAMNED PAYED FOR at retail. It's already obvious M$ made this whole DLC crap big as it is today, even if they weren't the ones to begin with...we'd have games getting delayed a few months so the devs could put extra content in it INSTEAD OF getting nickled and dimed for DLC.

Faulty hardware. Not only did they have to nerve to dismiss everything about consoles breaking down, it took them almost 2 years to provide a solution.
Disc-scratching...the amateurs...can't even put rubber protection that costs about a WHOLE DOLLAR into their by now ancient DVD drives. Wow.
Expensive propiatary accessories and add-ons, M$ really takes the crown here. Total monopoly on their own products so that you have no choice BUT to buy their faulty and gimped products, how disgusting and disgraceful.
Sooo...the only new IP next year will be Project Kingdoms? Great stuff right there...to have only 1 new IP in a grand total of 3 years!
Closing down Rare, nice job M$.

M$ IS really there for the gamer. We don't even have to wait till next gen to see the cancer to gaming they are.

I see that they're a lot like the Sony of last generation.

and they haven't caused me as many problems yet....

1. you want to pay for P2P fine (you want to pay for the superior console online service that rivals most PC services in feature)
2. you want to pay MS for an inexpensive HDD fine (or get a system with a hard drive and pay no more money)
3. you want to pay MS for 3 party DLC that is free on PSN fine (false, there is no 3rd party DLC that is free on psn, yet pay for on xbox live please post proof)
4. you want to pay MS to use Hulu+ or Netflex whento access theseon PSN you do not pay Sony fine (netflix is superior on xbox live, till psn gets its stand alone service it will allways be this way, hulu will likely be superior as well)
5. You want to pay for Propriatary usb drives caped so people can pay more for a HDD which rakes in the profits. (optional, you can use any usb adaptor)
6. you want to pay for a console that gives less for the same price fine. (right now the 360 offers more then the ps3, the ps3 has actually taken features away over the past 3 years)

[QUOTE="hyperjayson"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] You're sig was too distracting.

NubTub_of_Win

3242347238th post of the day regarding my sig lol

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

This is true but I doubt that people will see much of anything.. When you have people defending Microsoft practices and actions, you know they get what they deserve.

1. you want to pay for P2P fine
2. you want to pay MS for an inexpensive HDD fine
3. you want to pay MS for 3 party DLC that is free on PSN fine
4. you want to pay MS to use Hulu+ or Netflex whento access theseon PSN you do not pay Sony fine
5. You want to pay for Propriatary usb drives caped so people can pay more for a HDD which rakes in the profits.
6. you want to pay for a console that gives less for the same price fine.

Xbox 360 launched in 2005at $399.99 Dollars, the price droped in a few times while changing SKUs and with the launch of Xbox 250GB SKU in 2010 the price is now $299.99 WOW it has dropped a wopping $100.00 Dollars after 4 1/2 years. Compare that to PS3 lauch 2006 of $500.00 dollars and after a Slimming effect it became $299.99 IN 2009 after 3 years it dorpped $200.00 Dollars!!

Ravensmash

And what 3rd party DLC is free on PS3, but premium on Xbox 360?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169529 MS said "NO" I mean the developer wanted to give the content away free and it did on PC but not on Xbox 360. Same with Titan pack for UT3 so the package did not come to Xbox 360 but was free on PS3. ... I know there are far more items but for now its late just finished playing some Fat Princess, may play some Oblivion GOTY edition, or watch a movie from Netflex..

I don't know why people are constantly surprised that Microsoft are money grabbing douchebags. We know this. 360 owners know this. Microsoft is a corporation out to earn as much money in as little time as possible. Yes they take the piss sometimes and no it's not right but at no point are they ever holding a gun to your head to make you buy something.

I bought a 360 because I preferred the games library, preferred the exclusives and all my friends had one meaning I could play online with them. I don't buy DLC that is given away free elsewhere, for example Left 4 Dead 2's 'The Passing' which was free for PC users. I don't buy anything from that that I consider overpriced or a waste of time, like avatar gear and what have you. I have only ever bought one arcade game at full price, the rest were all on offer. I'm happy to pay for Xbox Live because I'm happy with the service is provides and in a lot of ways it is no different to paying for an MMO. So all these 'wah wah wah Microsoft are stealing my money', well no, they'll take your money after you give it to them.

No offense but what is it with people thinking that any of these companies are angels? Do controllers really need to cost $60? No. Do they need to charge us for online? No. Should we be charged for stupid costumes? No. etc, stop giving these businesses credit.

there all the same, at the end of the day all they want is your cold hard cash, not loyality, sony and nintendo are guilty of this also, not only MS

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

[QUOTE="Ravenlore_basic"]

This is true but I doubt that people will see much of anything.. When you have people defending Microsoft practices and actions, you know they get what they deserve.

1. you want to pay for P2P fine
2. you want to pay MS for an inexpensive HDD fine
3. you want to pay MS for 3 party DLC that is free on PSN fine
4. you want to pay MS to use Hulu+ or Netflex whento access theseon PSN you do not pay Sony fine
5. You want to pay for Propriatary usb drives caped so people can pay more for a HDD which rakes in the profits.
6. you want to pay for a console that gives less for the same price fine.

Xbox 360 launched in 2005at $399.99 Dollars, the price droped in a few times while changing SKUs and with the launch of Xbox 250GB SKU in 2010 the price is now $299.99 WOW it has dropped a wopping $100.00 Dollars after 4 1/2 years. Compare that to PS3 lauch 2006 of $500.00 dollars and after a Slimming effect it became $299.99 IN 2009 after 3 years it dorpped $200.00 Dollars!!

Ravenlore_basic

And what 3rd party DLC is free on PS3, but premium on Xbox 360?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3169529 MS said "NO" I mean the developer wanted to give the content away free and it did on PC but not on Xbox 360. Same with Titan pack for UT3 so the package did not come to Xbox 360 but was free on PS3. ... I know there are far more items but for now its late just finished playing some Fat Princess, may play some Oblivion GOTY edition, or watch a movie from Netflex..