Can anyone here please explain what was so great about KZ2 and UC2 MP?

I have not played UC3 or KZ3 so I wont talk about those.

but both KZ2 and UC2 got awesome multiplayer reviews...but I just dont get it, why? they are average at best, KZ2 was a complete borefest and also a lag fest, it was filled with "double kills" (when you get killed by the guy who you JUST killed) there were no rewards at all for your skill during a match, no vehicles, no "killstreaks" no special weapons, no nothing, the matchs were just "start, pew pew! bang bang you are dead! WE WON".

Same for UC2, there was no reward for your skill in game at all, and the perks were extremely basic, most of them were pretty much useless, and the game had terrible hit spotting seriously I remember I shot like 10 people in the head in a match and they didnt died and then I shot one in the torso and he died instantly and it said "headshot!". there is nothing special to do here either, its just run and gun until the team wins, at least for the TDM mode.

The coop mode was very entertaining but it also lacked a bunch of things.

Anyway yeah I think the MP for both games was subpar at best...it totally didnt deserved all the praise it got.

the game had terrible hit spotting seriously I remember I shot like 10 people in the head in a match and they didnt died and then I shot one in the torso and he died instantly and it said "headshot!".lightleggy

There is nothing good about Uncharted's multiplayer. Killzone 2 was great though. It is the only FPS where spawn camping is not an issue, the sniper is not over-powered, and the variation of the multiplayer was great. Plus it had it's own feel.....which they totally screwed up in the dissapointing sequal.

Because they are exclusive games.

Sadly that didn't keep the multiplayer from dying quickly anyways, but the point stands. People tried to trick themselves into thinking those games had great multiplayer because they were tired of the fact that games on other systems far outclassed them.

stick to COD bro! these other experiences are waay over your head!

Something like COD would be right up your alley....Just-Breathe

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]the game had terrible hit spotting seriously I remember I shot like 10 people in the head in a match and they didnt died and then I shot one in the torso and he died instantly and it said "headshot!".Just-Breathe

When was it that winning was considered the reward for being a good player again?

BTW, I greatly enjoy both MP experiences, KZ2>KZ3 and save for some of the maps, UC3>UC2

[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]the game had terrible hit spotting seriously I remember I shot like 10 people in the head in a match and they didnt died and then I shot one in the torso and he died instantly and it said "headshot!".lightleggy

Its not download speed that matters, but ping. I have a crap download speed, but my ping is amazing and I do pretty well online, and if you don't know that then chances are you probably did have a crappy connection, or had someone else using the internet while you were busy losing in KZ2 and U2.

I didn't think much of the UC2 MP but the KZ2 ranking system was addictive and it's 32 player MP was a blast!

COD sounds perfect for you. Anyways, KZ2 is nothing like COD or Battlefail. one entire match is a mix of many objectives, capture the flag, capture the area, attack enemy area, defend your area, kill single marked enemy on the map, enemy comes kill your marked man on the map, deathmatch. All objectives in random order one after another so no match starts off with the same objective. the class each have their special ability, invisible snipers, deployable spawn group, engineer, medic and Infiltrators who can look like the enemy. 32 max players for KZ2, 24 max for KZ3. weapons have heavy recoil and weight, infinite Ammo box. Yup the perfect Multiplayer

UC2 was crap COD 1-2 bullet kill health system, horrible match making and horrible Graphics

People hate on Uncharted 2's MP a lot but I loved it. There aren't many other good TPS on the market (Especially on PS3). 360 has Gears of War for TPS and PS3 has Uncharted. There aren't really any good multiplat TPS and I actually prefer 3rd person to first

I never really got into either, but I've been told that they are liked because they are different. Meaning, one could enjoy COD or Halo, AND also enjoy KZ2 and Uncharted. Because they are different there isn't that, "well, this game is better so why play it" feeling.

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[QUOTE="Just-Breathe"] Are you sure you just don't have a sh*t internet connection?SPYDER0416

Its not download speed that matters, but ping. I have a crap download speed, but my ping is amazing and I do pretty well online, and if you don't know that then chances are you probably did have a crappy connection, or had someone else using the internet while you were busy losing in KZ2 and U2.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] yes im pretty sure, I had 4mb when I used to play uncharted and KZ2. the reccommmended for both games is like 512kb.

lightleggy

Its not download speed that matters, but ping. I have a crap download speed, but my ping is amazing and I do pretty well online, and if you don't know that then chances are you probably did have a crappy connection, or had someone else using the internet while you were busy losing in KZ2 and U2.

A lot of those problems were fixed by ND later after release. It used to take me awhile to get into games (and I have download speeds of 25 mb and a ping of 12). After a few patches I would get into games pretty quickly and not notice much lag at all

I doubt you playd either of these games online, because Killzone is NOT a "lag fest" hell it runs on dedicated servers. So if you got lag than your internet just sucks, mabey you just don't like the style of these games but IMO KZ and UC have amazing MP modes. KZ has great gameplay and it's well balanced with all the unique classes and it's great team work, also the objectives are always changing every few minutes so it keeps variety. UC has alot of different modes to choose and the gameplay is unique with the climbing and jumping ect....plus the shooting is handled well and the maps are awesome!

But wether or not you like it is up to you, alot of people do enjoy them.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] yes im pretty sure, I had 4mb when I used to play uncharted and KZ2. the reccommmended for both games is like 512kb.

lightleggy

Its not download speed that matters, but ping. I have a crap download speed, but my ping is amazing and I do pretty well online, and if you don't know that then chances are you probably did have a crappy connection, or had someone else using the internet while you were busy losing in KZ2 and U2.

If you are referring to when you kill a guy and he kills you, its not a connection thing.

Unlike CoD and Halo, KZ and Uncharted don't have the bullets magically disappear when the person firing dies. Annoying? Yes, but try shooting someone who is also shooting you, you might notice that it doesn't matter who died first since you both got shot.

It also just sounds like you might be terrible, but idk. Both games had fantastic online and you can act like your word matters over that of everyone else, but its not my problem.

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Its not download speed that matters, but ping. I have a crap download speed, but my ping is amazing and I do pretty well online, and if you don't know that then chances are you probably did have a crappy connection, or had someone else using the internet while you were busy losing in KZ2 and U2.

SPYDER0416

If you are referring to when you kill a guy and he kills you, its not a connection thing.

Unlike CoD and Halo, KZ and Uncharted don't have the bullets magically disappear when the person firing dies. Annoying? Yes, but try shooting someone who is also shooting you, you might notice that it doesn't matter who died first since you both got shot.

It also just sounds like you might be terrible, but idk. Both games had fantastic online and you can act like your word matters over that of everyone else, but its not my problem.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] OK look dont bring up the internet thing, please shut up about it because no matter how many times I see it people wont believe it, but believe it people I had 4mb download speed and was placed on servers with green ping, usually 3-4 bars (which is around 50-100 ms) and no lag at all, and no nobody was lagging my connection either. and you'd be a fool to believe that low ping/slow speed actually causes "double kills"...you will NEVER see it happening in counter strike or even halo, no matter if you have 999 ping you will NEVER get killed by a zombie.lightleggy

If you are referring to when you kill a guy and he kills you, its not a connection thing.

Unlike CoD and Halo, KZ and Uncharted don't have the bullets magically disappear when the person firing dies. Annoying? Yes, but try shooting someone who is also shooting you, you might notice that it doesn't matter who died first since you both got shot.

It also just sounds like you might be terrible, but idk. Both games had fantastic online and you can act like your word matters over that of everyone else, but its not my problem.

Yes that is True. especially with the Melee like you can shot someone and kill them but their last second melee will still kill you. Or like you shoot someone and they run around the corner before they Die, which is the infamous Bullet curving corner Lag-fest. UC2 was very bad but it Was ND's first ever Online Multiplayer shooter so give them a break. UC3 have improved upon those lag issues

KZ2 multiplayer was pretty awesome something different from COD i see not having killstreaks as a bonus. The weighty feeling and the sounds design made you feel like you were in a real war.

UC2 multiplayer well there aren't many good tps mp out there for PS3 and the traversal gameplay made it kinda interesting

I didn't care for Uncharted 2's MP but Killzone 2's was fantastic. Probably the best online MP I've played ever.

There is nothing good about Uncharted's multiplayer. Killzone 2 was great though. It is the only FPS where spawn camping is not an issue, the sniper is not over-powered, and the variation of the multiplayer was great. Plus it had it's own feel.....which they totally screwed up in the dissapointing sequal.

WarTornRuston

This. Exactly this.

I haven't played either, but you act like perks are something that makes a game much better. Well guess what, Quake live doesn't have perks, and it's the best multiplayer game of all time.

Easy, they are Sony exclusives.

In my opinion:

Killzone 2 mp = awesome

Uncharted 2 mp = average