Can Apple Succed on a Console war?

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#1 Wabb1t
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Apple just passed M$ and its the #1 Electronic Company in the World. Apple had success with ipod, iphone and ipad,, and eventually they r aiming to games, wouldn't b surprise if they release a console next gen "Igame" or "Iplay" After the success of Ipad at a huge high price, still people bought it like if it was cheap, can Apple release a console and sell it like hotcakes? What you guys think? A console with same Ipad functions, and it plays Games on ya tv, Slick, and appealing to Apple fan base,
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#2 dercoo
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The industry is unstable with 3 strong console competitors, 4 could cause a collapse.

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#3 nintendo-4life
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Probably yes. Pippon may have flopped but Apple is a completely new company now. I think they will easily succeed in the Console market.
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#4 destro123
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considering how many suckers buy their products.......probably

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The industry is unstable with 3 strong console competitors, 4 could cause a collapse.

dercoo
Last Generation was very successful and it had 4 competitors, this is really not a problem.
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#6 richsena
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You're going to get the same token gamer response on this forum about Appleselling overpriced tech fashionbut I think it is completely plausible that Apple could enter the fray with a competent gaming machine.

They have the in house resources to do so and now with big time developers on board making games for their illustrious app store, they have the third party backing as well. I don't think they ever will or want to join the "console wars," but they are certainly capable of it.

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#7 Wabb1t
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The industry is unstable with 3 strong console competitors, 4 could cause a collapse.

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I think Apple is going for it, they have nothing to loose and more to gain, Ipad sold millions at a ridiculous price point, it only shows that People will buy any Apple product
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#8 genaroll
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If they join they could beat sony's spot as the #1 most expensive console ever.
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#9 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

The industry is unstable with 3 strong console competitors, 4 could cause a collapse.

nintendo-4life
Last Generation was very successful and it had 4 competitors, this is really not a problem.

Didn't Sega die a year or so before Microsoft entered?
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#10 Wabb1t
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If they join they could beat sony's spot as the #1 most expensive console ever.genaroll
and they will sell it faster, just like they did with the Ipad.
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#11 reyad-u
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It's perfectly possible, if Apple relaunches the apple TV with downloadable apps, movies, music and TV I'm sure millions would buy it. If they add a the ability to download full fledged games then it might take off. Sell it for $400 and you got yourself a million seller.
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#12 dercoo
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[QUOTE="dercoo"]

The industry is unstable with 3 strong console competitors, 4 could cause a collapse.

nintendo-4life

Last Generation was very successful and it had 4 competitors, this is really not a problem.

Are you talking about the DC, it was not successful and killed (well it was all ready weak) SEGA console devision.

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#13 designer-
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I doubt they would release a console. They have no reason too, not at this point. They are much more likely to push apps and such uses while slowly increasing the technology behind their machines. Ipad is already near a PS2 from a tech perspective. Eventually they may remarket/remake their tv box with some game functionality but one that still operates primarily on apps.
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="dercoo"]

The industry is unstable with 3 strong console competitors, 4 could cause a collapse.

Nerkcon
Last Generation was very successful and it had 4 competitors, this is really not a problem.

Didn't Sega die a year or so before Microsoft entered?

It did, but that also meant the industry didn't collapse. Only one company did which, as sad as it was, didn't really hurt gaming all that much.
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] Last Generation was very successful and it had 4 competitors, this is really not a problem.

Didn't Sega die a year or so before Microsoft entered?

It did, but that also meant the industry didn't collapse. Only one company did which, as sad as it was, didn't really hurt gaming all that much.

You're missed the point, last gen still wasn't four consoles at once. When Microsoft entered it just brought it up to three again.
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#16 jedikevin2
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On the handheld market it surely can compete with nintendo or sonypsp. I don't think it would ever be as high as nintendo but very possible could match up to sony's handhelds. I work in a exxon plant and everyday everyone in my age bracket of 20-29 are found playing in the smoke pens some sort of game or two on their phones. As the masses grow in age and looking how companies see "smartphones", I can easily see Apples smartphones doing well in the handheld game sector. Just hard to find people "sneaking" ds's and psp's at work. The Iphone just seems to work well in this scenario (that and other smartphones that is).

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"] It did, but that also meant the industry didn't collapse. Only one company did which, as sad as it was, didn't really hurt gaming all that much.

Sega was already struggling, why dig yourself a deeper grave? All current three companies have large amounts of money that they can throw at it, so can Apple. So if Apple did decide to join and they wanted to take some market share from everyone then at the end of the day the gamers will feel the pressure.
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#18 Human-after-all
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They could probably succeed...but I hope they would fail and fail hard.
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#19 deactivated-57d32c9daf505
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It did, but that also meant the industry didn't collapse. Only one company did which, as sad as it was, didn't really hurt gaming all that much.

nintendo-4life

That's because Sega games are still around, Sega just stopped producing hardware...!

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#20 Wabb1t
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and can Sega ever comeback? Maybe Apple will bring a console with Sega?
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#21 coasterguy65
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Why would Apple want to enter the console market? They make more than enough money from the Zombies that buy the new IPhone every year, and will probably start milking out the IPad with a new version every year also. That's a lot of money. Starting up a new console has to cost a lot of money that they may potentially never recover. They will stick with their cash cows.

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You're missing one vital point: People who buy gaming rigs and game consoles aren't necessarrily the same as the ones who buy ipads

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#23 Wabb1t
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Why would Apple want to enter the console market? They make more than enough money from the Zombies that buy the new IPhone every year, and will probably start milking out the IPad with a new version every year also. That's a lot of money. Starting up a new console has to cost a lot of money that they may potentially never recover. They will stick with their cash cows.

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Wlle why did Sony entered? and M$? same reason why Apple will enter, Expand their market and gain more money.
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You're missing one vital point: People who buy gaming rigs and game consoles aren't necessarrily the same as the ones who buy ipads

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mmm and those who bought MW2 DLC Map for $20 ? lol those kinda people who doesn't care on what they spend will but an apple console,
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#25 Zero5000X
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More competition is always welcome.
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#26 AHUGECAT
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I can see how Apple could get some third party support, but how will they build up a third party? MS built up with Bungie and Rare, but I don't see Apple doing too great. They'd need a super killer app too. Halo was a miracle for Microsoft.

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Most of the people I know who are Apple fans are not gamers. They don't buy consoles. They play the odd game on their phone whilst on the train or on their lunch break. They don't get home from work and fire up a console for a few hours of gaming. It is a different market.

They would need to develop a console that offers something more attractive than the competition, which would be very difficult as we have a crowded market with 3 consoles, all of which have their strengths and are good machines. Designing a console from scratch to compete with Sony, MS and Nintendo? That is going to take a ton of money, and even then it is risky.

Lets say they design a decent system, then we come to the games....

A new, unproven, player in the console market (even a company as big as Apple) is not going to get a ton of 3rd party support until the publishers can see the console is selling. They would have to get some sort of 1st party game development under way. They can either set up their own teams, or buy some developers, but either way it is going take time and money.

For this reason I don't see Apple making a console..... Unless....

It might work if they did a "joint venture" with another company. A partnership between Apple and Activision for example? Apple providing the hardware expertise, Activision providing 1st party games and valuable experience of milking gamers!

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More competition is always welcome. Zero5000X
So indirectly Onlive is quite welcome as well
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#29 HFkami
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a console from apple could fit their gaming needs in their computer line up. But i doubt they could do success with their market politics. We know how people hated the start price of the PS3.

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Most of the people I know who are Apple fans are not gamers. They don't buy consoles. They play the odd game on their phone whilst on the train or on their lunch break. They don't get home from work and fire up a console for a few hours of gaming. It is a different market

misiufraggle

They will buy anything Apple puts out. Apple will make them gamers.

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#31 HFkami
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[QUOTE="misiufraggle"]

Most of the people I know who are Apple fans are not gamers. They don't buy consoles. They play the odd game on their phone whilst on the train or on their lunch break. They don't get home from work and fire up a console for a few hours of gaming. It is a different market

AHUGECAT

They will buy anything Apple puts out. Apple will make them gamers.

still it wouldnt be enough to compete with the 3s

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#32 mike_on_mic
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I will say no. They value style of substance. I will not doubt the console will look great and the interface will be slick. But personally I feel that it wouldn't be bought by anyone other than those who already by apple products. But who knows...
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#33 KittenWishes
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They have the fanboys which means they're halfway there..
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#34 argetlam00
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They have the fanboys which means they're halfway there..KittenWishes

Win. Gotta love the Apple fanboys that spend too much time on the internet because they bought an overpriced product and lack games to play.

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$900 at launch, casual games, watered down ports? No thanks. Apple doesn't belong in gaming. They have no first party devs so it would fail, and fail hard. Console gaming isn't exactly as dumbed downed as iPhone and iPod touch games.

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More competition is always welcome. Zero5000X

I had to wonder: is having four companies competing in the console business better than three?

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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]More competition is always welcome. designer-
So indirectly Onlive is quite welcome as well

OnLive is more of a leech than a competitor.
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#38 AmayaPapaya
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Yes they could easily. But the current competition is too high. Someone would have to drop out.

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#39 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]More competition is always welcome. thom_maytees

I had to wonder: is having four companies competing in the console business better than three?

Only one way to find out! :D
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#40 osan0
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[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]More competition is always welcome. thom_maytees

I had to wonder: is having four companies competing in the console business better than three?

under normal circumstances Zero5000X would be right. but the console market is not a normal market that promotes competition. its structured in such a way that the more companies that enter....the worse it gets for consumers. more consoles=more exclusives on those consoles=people need to buy more consoles to play all the best game. if the console market was civil,like the DVD player market, where the whole concept of first and third party devs didnt exist and any game would run on any console then more enterants would be great. but the console market is not civil...its bonkers. as for the topic....whatever apple do at the mo turns to gold. i dont understand it at all but the market loves anything apple. i could certainly see them get their foot in the market based on brand power alone. however keeping it there would be harder unless they got th support. but a console tapped into the appstore and open to everyone and anyone to develop...backed by the big 3rd parties.....could cause an upset.
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[QUOTE="DoomZaW"]

You're missing one vital point: People who buy gaming rigs and game consoles aren't necessarrily the same as the ones who buy ipads

Wabb1t

mmm and those who bought MW2 DLC Map for $20 ? lol those kinda people who doesn't care on what they spend will but an apple console,

im saying that probably the majority of apples fanbase doesn't care alot for games, apple really doesn't either, if they had they would probably have done more for pushing the ipad/itouch as a gaming platform.

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#42 XboximusPrime
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I think were having plenty of problems with 3, i dont think we need another.

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#43 Wabb1t
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yes
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#44 LegatoSkyheart
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Apple's Core Fanbase are not gamers.

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#45 Wabb1t
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Apple's Core Fanbase are not gamers.

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And Sony when released their ps1 had any gamers fan base? or even Microsoft? Apple can do the same
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#46 JuarN18
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Apple has it's own "gaming" machine right now, but who knows? maybe they succeed

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#47 dontshackzmii
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if apple did make it into the console market they would hype some gimick the other systems dont have and they would sell there trendy under power machine for 650$ and all the apple fans will eat it up and say its the best thing to ever happen to gaming. then apple will make a new one every year .

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#48 Sp4rtan_3
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No it would crash and burn just like the dreamcast.