Can host advantage in games be lessened?

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#1 DA_B0MB
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     I am finally back from my over punishment of a 7 day suspension for telling a fanboy off :D. Yea I had just had enough with them at that point and lost my cool a lil, but it's ok I'm back :P.

    Back to the topic; Can a host advantage in games be lessened? Possibly through a patch or update? Games like Gears scream host advantage and it's terribly annoying. Is this something the developer can lessen? I realize there will always be host advantage, but are there precautions that can be taken to lessen the extent of the host advantage?

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#2 foxhound_fox
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Dedicated servers.
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It's not that important, I just pwnd two hosts today. Funny since a lot of ppl in Gears actually wait for someone to go to Locusts so they can go COG with the host :D
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The only way is it for to be countered by what's actually in the game, for example, in Gears even if hosts have less lag, when they're shot or shoot someone else up close or chainsaw more blood appears on screen and for longer. I think that's the only real solution though.
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#5 DA_B0MB
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Dedicated servers.foxhound_fox
Didn't Halo 2 have dedicated servers?
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It's not that important, I just pwnd two hosts today. Funny since a lot of ppl in Gears actually wait for someone to go to Locusts so they can go COG with the host :Djachichorro

To me it is, getting shot 20 feet away by the host's shotgun and going down multiple times can be frustrating. Especially if the host is talking trash and thinking he's good, when it's really just because he's host.
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Ping filters.
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I've also noticed in Gears that there is always at LEAST a quarter second delay which is still pretty bad.
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#9 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Dedicated servers.DA_B0MB

Didn't Halo 2 have dedicated servers?

Heck no. And if Halo 3 doesn't use them I will never play it online. I'm sick of Host bridging, bridging people out, host standbye, Host Modding, Host Shotgun, Host BR, just everything about Halo 2 online pisses me off. If it was just one guy with a better connection sure I could deal with it but when the host has all of these cheating advantages that are only given to him and his team because he is host it pisses me off. 

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#10 TrueReligion_
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Dedicated severs would solve that. Too bad we pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers from Microsoft. Thankfully, many PS3 titles incorporate dedicated servers.
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#11 Blackbond
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Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.TrueReligion_

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access. 

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#12 DA_B0MB
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[QUOTE="DA_B0MB"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Dedicated servers.Blackbond


Didn't Halo 2 have dedicated servers?

Heck no. And if Halo 3 doesn't use them I will never play it online. I'm sick of Host bridging, bridging people out, host standbye, Host Modding, Host Shotgun, Host BR, just everything about Halo 2 online pisses me off. If it was just one guy with a better connection sure I could deal with it but when the host has all of these cheating advantages that are only given to him and his team because he is host it pisses me off. 

Well admittedly, Halo 2's online setup is far better than Gears' besides the fact in gears you can choose what map you want to play on.
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Dedicated servers.foxhound_fox
yep.
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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.Blackbond

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.TrueReligion_

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.

What?! Are we playing the same R6:V?
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.TrueReligion_

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.

what kind of highspeed internet connection do you have? I had DSL and it was in and out...moved up to cable and it got much MUCH better. in fact, I haven't seen lag in any game for a solid month. seriously. check the quality of your service.
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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.tommy12321

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.

What?! Are we playing the same R6:V?

gotta be his connection.
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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.Dreams-Visions

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.

what kind of highspeed internet connection do you have? I had DSL and it was in and out...moved up to cable and it got much MUCH better. in fact, I haven't seen lag in any game for a solid month. seriously. check the quality of your service.

My connection is normally fast: yes, I use DSL. The odd thing, though, is that PS3 games work fine without lag, and my PC games don't lag. I've considered switching to FiOS.
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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.tommy12321

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.

What?! Are we playing the same R6:V?

If one player's ping is too low in R:6 Vegas, the entire game gets laggy for everyone.
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I find it hilarious when people complain about the host in Gears. I think the real shame is that even when someone is not the host they will get beaked at just because they may be better. I have been the host and i'll hear people complain about another player being host and thats the only reason they are doing well (same thing when im not a host and they complain i am). Sure host advantage can get annoying but it is a lot more annoying when people just use that as an excuse as to why they die, suck it up and realize it is a game.
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[QUOTE="tommy12321"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.TrueReligion_

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.

What?! Are we playing the same R6:V?

If one player's ping is too low in R:6 Vegas, the entire game gets laggy for everyone.

R6:V is the one game where I never lag, and I have DSL.
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Lag has never been an issue for me on XBL unless its been due to cheaters. Anybody who experiences lag online is fault to a bad connection or playing with people with a bad connection.

The issues I have with Live are the host advantages which in then turn to Host advantage of cheating. If games had dedicated servers it would kill practically all the cheating and it would be easier to ban people that cheat. 

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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="tommy12321"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.tommy12321

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.

What?! Are we playing the same R6:V?

If one player's ping is too low in R:6 Vegas, the entire game gets laggy for everyone.

R6:V is the one game where I never lag, and I have DSL.

Has their been a patch or update? I haven't played it since it came out....
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[QUOTE="tommy12321"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="tommy12321"][QUOTE="TrueReligion_"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Too bad Microsoft won't give them to us. We pay $50 and we can't even get dedicated servers.TrueReligion_

Seriously wtf. I mean its good that host can be used for anygame otherwise we'd get the MGS3 online treatment but seriously they should have dedicated servers devs should be able to access.

It pisses me off. I stopped playing on XBL because of the frustration. It was insanely difficult to find a good game on GeOW, and R6:Vegas would lag every other game. It's a damn shame, because those games were fun.

What?! Are we playing the same R6:V?

If one player's ping is too low in R:6 Vegas, the entire game gets laggy for everyone.

R6:V is the one game where I never lag, and I have DSL.

Has their been a patch or update? I haven't played it since it came out....

Oh, I dunno I got it a few months after it came out so maybe.
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there was no host advantage in PDZ and it rarely ever lagged.
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Pretty pathetic that you pay 50$ a year and you still gotta host your own games. Play on PCs, btw, no, it can never go away, unless internets get faster.
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#27 boyinfridge
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I actually like the challenge with online gears I always play as locust and I have a DSL connection and only ever had lag once. EA games have designated servers
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#28 KrAzY_cHrIs
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I've been meaning to get a xbox 360 for a while now and one thing I was really exicted about was the online so what is this host advantage and is it that serious

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#29 Raidea
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Yes, and not only using dedicated servers. See Halo 2 for a good example of stopping huge host advantage.