Can US$1000 beat a PS5?

I remember spending barely $1000 Canadian on my current PC back in 2014 and that seems to have held its ground against the PS4 and Xbox One for the most part barring some specific exceptions regarding multiplatform games.

I know technology marches on and with the PS4 and XB1 becoming last-gen consoles in 1.5 months, I wonder if you absolutely have to rely on the used parts market to get the same level of mileage per dollar as you would last gen. 3.5 GHz on an octa-core isn't something to mess around with, and I think we all know how lightweight a console's operating system is compared to your standard Windows installation.

At the very least, we can definitely rule out a "Potato Masher II" build (console specs at a console price).

Heck, I think the cheapest part in a "console killer" build next gen is actually the GPU due to consoles having to consolidate their computational power in a sub-300W package. Besides that, you're probably gonna have to put a LOT of faith in the eBay second-hand market while simultaneously bid-sniping

At this point a $500 pc will beat it easily 😭

When the PS5 hits the market, sure.

$400 for a 3060 and you got another $600 to spare for the rest of the build. Won’t have a 5.5GB/s SSD though.

@hardwenzen said:

At this point a $500 pc will beat it easily 😭

watch it on a 4k tv and tell me other wise?

its looks much better that crisp and the colors are more realistic. plus there is a butt load of more people walking around. plus the streets look better than the old version when you were on top of a building.

how much time do you expect them to spend on this to get it to look more next gen?

@gifford38 said:

@hardwenzen said:

At this point a $500 pc will beat it easily 😭

watch it on a 4k tv and tell me other wise?

its looks much better that crisp and the colors are more realistic. plus there is a butt load of more people walking around. plus the streets look better than the old version when you were on top of a building.

how much time do you expect them to spend on this to get it to look more next gen?

STOP. Looks bad, don't bother damage controlling. It looks real bad. Hell, it looks worse than current gen. Textures and draw distance is inferior imagine paying money for a downgrade.

@gifford38 said:

@hardwenzen said:

At this point a $500 pc will beat it easily 😭

watch it on a 4k tv and tell me other wise?

its looks much better that crisp and the colors are more realistic. plus there is a butt load of more people walking around. plus the streets look better than the old version when you were on top of a building.

how much time do you expect them to spend on this to get it to look more next gen?

4K gaming is a gimmick marketed to people who intend to play video games on living room televisions (such as console players). If you're using a gaming PC, you'll be using a monitor better suited for gaming which isn't going to be 4K. Of course, Sony who manufactures 4K televisions would love if more people played games on 4K TVs.

You can squeeze a Ryzen 5 3600, B550 system with 16GB of memory into $450-500. Plus the RTX 3060 for $400. That puts you at ~$900. So for just a bit over $1000 you can get a 980 Pro NVMe drive for 7 GB/s.

You can also put two drives in RAID0 to double the sequential speeds. A pair of 970 Evo drives in RAID0 will get you up there as well.

@eoten said:

@gifford38 said:

@hardwenzen said:

At this point a $500 pc will beat it easily 😭

watch it on a 4k tv and tell me other wise?

its looks much better that crisp and the colors are more realistic. plus there is a butt load of more people walking around. plus the streets look better than the old version when you were on top of a building.

how much time do you expect them to spend on this to get it to look more next gen?

4K gaming is a gimmick marketed to people who intend to play video games on living room televisions (such as console players). If you're using a gaming PC, you'll be using a monitor better suited for gaming which isn't going to be 4K. Of course, Sony who manufactures 4K televisions would love if more people played games on 4K TVs.

I don't care about 4k nor do i use it. I am on 1440p and its all i care about. This doesn't change the fact that for a remaster, this looks pathetic. They managed to downgrade visuals instead of upgrading them. How is it that a TLOU remaster had nothing else but upgrade all around and not this?

@eoten said:

@gifford38 said:

@hardwenzen said:

At this point a $500 pc will beat it easily 😭

watch it on a 4k tv and tell me other wise?

its looks much better that crisp and the colors are more realistic. plus there is a butt load of more people walking around. plus the streets look better than the old version when you were on top of a building.

how much time do you expect them to spend on this to get it to look more next gen?

4K gaming is a gimmick marketed to people who intend to play video games on living room televisions (such as console players). If you're using a gaming PC, you'll be using a monitor better suited for gaming which isn't going to be 4K. Of course, Sony who manufactures 4K televisions would love if more people played games on 4K TVs.

um there are more people playing in there living room now a days. well console gamers any ways that is why 4k is important to people playing on these consoles.

consoles its not a gimmick because thats were most console players play on there 4k tv.

just like 4k movies looks better than 1080p movies.

4k tvs has become main stream sold faster than even 1080p tvs.

why do you think we got mid gen upgrades this gen. never before have we got mid gen upgrade consoles.

its because 4k became the norm so fast. even though the pro could only checker board it it looks better than 1080p that the base model is doing.

I don't care if they uses dynamic 4k as long its not 1080p any more.

just looks so crisp on the big tv's.

but your right true 4k is not needed and a gimmick to me if dynamic 4k works better for that game use it.

I am confused by your 3.5GHz Octo core is nothing to mess around with statement...

Next generation consoles are running of of Zen 2 mobile chips not desktop Zen 2, a DESKTOP Zen 2 chip with 8 cores at 4.2GHz loses to a Intel 6 Core chip in gaming and that 8 core 4.2 desktop chip is a LOT faster than a 3.5GHz mobile Zen 2 chip.

You ignorant fools you. Stop posting with little to no knowledge on the subject... Well actually your posting to people who have the same knowledge as you so I guess post away and discuss.

I'll sit back and wait for the INEVITABLE platform comparisons and speeds test's along with game settings to say... Told you so. 60FPS will BE impacted by a 3.5GHz mobile CHIP AND those GPU's can't even get you 60FPS in the first place without serious resolution and setting downgrades from 4K/Ultra which is how PC benchmarking is done.

Its a mid range GPU with a laptop CPU... Nothing new to see here, you guys are just hype machine butt munching children. 30FPS is still a thing and games are running at sub 4K resolutions.

Can $1000 hardware beat $400-500 hardware? I would hope so.

I don’t like the builds some folks are proposing. These should be requirements.

- 8 core CPU (included Ryzen coolers are OK)

- PCIE gen 4 SSD with 5.5gb/s speeds minimum

- Ray tracing capable GPU at the RTX 2070 Super range

- 16GB RAM

- Input devices

That leaves you with whatever trash PSU and case you can come up with.

Put that in pcpartpicker and show us the price

I think it's common knowledge that consoles are sold at a loss. The actual value of a PS5 is unknown.

So... can you pay double the price and beat the power of next gen consoles?

I would certainly hope so. 🤣

@hardwenzen: so you're saying that the best showcase for the upcoming ps5 console is a remastered ps4 game? good luck with that

@Telekill: The hermits are overcompensating for something... 🤭

New build? Wait, X570 is a dead socket. One CPU, pointless.

low FPS hurts my eyes.

Also yes to answer this thread's question, and as the gen goes by it will get cheaper and cheaper + better and better.

What i am saying is that you're paying money for a game that looks like shit.

@hardwenzen: your opinion has been noted. my opinion is that it looks better than the ps4 version, but in the end it doesn't matter to me because i don't buy new consoles to play old games. and once again, touting remastered games as some measurement of the graphical capabilities of a brand new console is a fool's errand... an errand that you exhibit proudly

Why 8 core CPU and PCIE 4 as requirements?

@goldenelementxl: An 8 core CPU with SMT isn't going to get you any better gaming performance than a 6 core CPU with SMT. A Ryzen 5 3600 with it's 3.6GHz (boost up to 4.2 GHz) will smoke a next-gen console's CPU.

Yeah spiderman on PS5 look worse than Spiderman on PS4..

The tears oh the tears.

Don't you think that when comparing two generations apart (almost a decade later), "opinion" on which one looks better shouldn't be a thing?

No, because the PC is dry as a ghost town with AAAA exclusives.

@tormentos said:

@hardwenzen said:

STOP. Looks bad, don't bother damage controlling. It looks real bad. Hell, it looks worse than current gen. Textures and draw distance is inferior imagine paying money for a downgrade.

Yeah spiderman on PS5 look worse than Spiderman on PS4..

The tears oh the tears.

????? Performance mode on a 9.2tflops console is mediocre and washedout. Such next gen.

@hardwenzen: and what makes you think your opinion is the only right one and nobody can dispute you? i think it looks better, and so do other people. do you need a refresher on the definition of 'opinion' and how it's applied in real life?

Look, if you respond with "its just your opinion, bro", there's no conversation to be had here. You can't talk to someone with constant "its your opinion". If you have no counter arguments to what i said, then there's nothing else that needs to be added.

If you've been following Sony for the last year or so (ever since the supercharged SSD talk began), you wouldn't be taking my "opinion" as unreasonable.

@hardwenzen: but your whole argument is your opinion and nothing else. i don't see how you can't comprehend this simple point. do you need a moment to yourself to really let this obvious fact sink in?

Further, if you want to discuss objective points, then there's no argument here: the remaster has better graphics, better framerate, etc.

next...

Its how business works. When you've been this demoninant this whole generation, you're allowed to do stupid shit like that and get a pass. This is precisely what they're doing. If you don't see it, its on you.

if you don't like it, don't buy it. what's the problem here? other people will because they do like it. get over it. also, what the heck is 'demoninant'?

Twice over, you can buy two Series X with that.

No, and that shouldn't be your goal when building a PC. It will be better in plenty of other ways though.

The xbox is a bit more powerful than the ps5 and both have a gpu on par with a 2080ti. The main reason why nvidia went crazy and brought out the 3080 is because they probably somehow got the leaked specs of the new consoles, and were forced to up their game significantly. The 3080 isn't even the flagship, yet nvidia made it 30% faster than the previous gen flagship, and $300 cheaper. Nvidia doesn't do something like that unless they shit their pants from what AMD was releasing in the consoles.

Of course, at the moment the 3080 is still only $700 on paper, the real price at retail is $2500.

If we consider that, then the consoles are at the moment and most likely for the next 6 months at least are more powerful than any PC you can build for $1000

@lamprey263: Winner, winner! Chicken dinner! 👍

wrong...you can't even buy a 3080 for anything less than $2500. Go try and buy a 3080 right now for anything less, I dare you. The 3060 for $400?? lmao, you must be smoking some good stuff. None of those gpus will be on stable supply until the next year, at least march or april. You have to wait for AMD to release their new gpus to maybe stabilize the market.

Yeah, sure. Though you won't get the best SSDs within that price range. I'm upping to a 2TB NVME gen 4, and that's over $400CAD alone.

Console manufacturers buy in bulk and potentially sell at a loss, so it's nowhere near an apple-to-apple comparison.

Who cares? It's not why I buy consoles.

PC always beats console, and it has little to do with hardware.

I'd sooner argue the hardware advantages of PC are more of a perk than a primary reason it is superior.

This is the correct answer. I wish more console fans focused less on hardware and more on, well....just the simple fact they prefer console.

But then that leaves us on "agree to disagree" which means no arguing, and where is the fun in that? :D

People I know own 3080's. They're hard to get a hold of because NVIDIA messed up on the stocks, but they're out there.

Not much different than people who have been told they won't get their PS5 despite pre-ordering.

Yeah, so another lame troll.

Oh so you're one of those "don't like it, don't buy it /facepalm" or "don't like it, leave /facepalm" kind of guy. Got it.

If all the customers were like you, every company would be like EA/Activision.

Thats amazing...your friends were some how able to get a card for $700? Theres about a million people trying to get one of these cards, probably more, and its been out of stock literally the moment it released.

This is nowhere close to the ps5 launch. The 3080 went out of stock the very second it launched, almost every single store selling it online crashed. The scalpers went nuts and nvidia did nothing about it.

Why is it nowhere close to the PS5? There are plenty of those on Ebay... Link.

The rest of your post is clear nonsense.

@gifford38 said:

@eoten said:

@gifford38 said:

@hardwenzen said:

At this point a $500 pc will beat it easily 😭

watch it on a 4k tv and tell me other wise?

its looks much better that crisp and the colors are more realistic. plus there is a butt load of more people walking around. plus the streets look better than the old version when you were on top of a building.

how much time do you expect them to spend on this to get it to look more next gen?

4K gaming is a gimmick marketed to people who intend to play video games on living room televisions (such as console players). If you're using a gaming PC, you'll be using a monitor better suited for gaming which isn't going to be 4K. Of course, Sony who manufactures 4K televisions would love if more people played games on 4K TVs.

um there are more people playing in there living room now a days. well console gamers any ways that is why 4k is important to people playing on these consoles.

consoles its not a gimmick because thats were most console players play on there 4k tv.

just like 4k movies looks better than 1080p movies.

4k tvs has become main stream sold faster than even 1080p tvs.

why do you think we got mid gen upgrades this gen. never before have we got mid gen upgrade consoles.

its because 4k became the norm so fast. even though the pro could only checker board it it looks better than 1080p that the base model is doing.

I don't care if they uses dynamic 4k as long its not 1080p any more.

just looks so crisp on the big tv's.

but your right true 4k is not needed and a gimmick to me if dynamic 4k works better for that game use it.

Why do you think 4K suddenly became the norm? You won't notice a difference at normal viewing distances until you get up to screen sizes of about 70 inches or more. People, ignorant of the reality, fell for hype pushed by the people manufacturing TVs so that people will trash the 1080P stuff they just bought a couple years ago and go dump hundreds more on a brand new TV. Even more of a gimmick is 8K and now people are trashing fairly new 4K sets to go buy into 8K believing there's going to be some shocking new change in viewing experience.

The only reason we've arrived to the point we are not is because of hype generated by companies wanting to sell people more shit they don't need. And it's going to be a detriment to console gaming as console gamers will yet again go another generation experiencing a substandard gaming experience playing the latest releases in a couple years on reduced detail settings or low frame rates.

@lundy86_4: He’s another garbage troll. He claims the PS5 and SX have a GPU on par with the 2080 Ti. Doesn’t just stop there because he’s also implying the SX and PS5’s GPU are equal when we know they aren’t.

I want spec for spec parity. PCIE gen 4 ssd's are required to hit the speeds the PS5 are hitting. Hell, even the Xbox Series X. And if the consoles have 8c/16t CPUs, even if they're 3.5, we need to hit that thread and core count.

I know why we want to ignore the exact specs. PC's can't match them at even a 2X cost. That's an advantage consoles have. They'll sell at a huge loss knowing the money is coming back with software. PC doesn't have that. But the consumers are the ones that need to make up for that disparity

who cares.

https://www.pcgamer.com/on-paper-the-gpu-in-the-xbox-series-x-is-faster-than-a-geforce-rtx-2080-super/

feel dumb yet? its not faster, but its on the same level as a 2080ti, being a bit faster than a 2080s. You might say that an AMD gpu's are slower than nvidia gpus, and in PC gaming that might hold true, but in console gaming, any advantage that nvidia has due to optimization or developer preferences dissapears. This gpu in the xbox series x and ps5 are in the same ball park as a 2080ti, end of story.