Can we all agree this gen has been a huge money pit and a fail for most gamers?

Honestly I think the ps3 has had 3 or 4 exclusive games i really enjoyed. It's hardware is nicer and its capable of more but what's the point if it's not being taken advantage of. The dreaded P-Word. The multiplats suck because developers develop for the pc first and it's cheaper and money or in this case M$ talks.. Seriously the ps3 even 4 years after release costs aproximately $600 for the system(299) and 4 games(240) and whatever else you need like an extra controller.. For a system where it's not being taken advantage of and it's exclusive games are limited that's a lot.

Most of Sony's struggles are related to MS getting a headstart and entering the console market in general last gen. They've taken PC gaming with them. PC games aren't released with online play anymore. You have to pay for everything and pay microsoft for everything. You have to pay for xbox live if you want to play games online. They cut Datel out who sold cheaper memory units. They make you agree to their terms of service if you put any parts in your xbox that cost less and don't pay microsoft 3 times the price they ban you. Multiplats do run better. The assortment of games is a bit better, although the quality isn't. How many 1st person shooters nad dumbed down games do you need i guess.

PC gaming read above. PC gamers have continually gotten the shaft this gen for the reasons stated. MS wants people on a console so they can control you and your brain and your wallet.

Nintendo. Ok nintendo cleaned up. They were the only people smart enough to release a consoel reasonably priced that doesnt bleed into your wallet and made loads of money. REason they won is because they did. The only problem here is it's NINTENDO and unless you are an 8 year old or not really a gamer who cares.

The thing is these companies cry bloody murder and say games cost so much because they cost so much to make. Maybe if everyoen wasnt so greedy and didn't buy up licenses and want their two cents and sue everyone else, and put companies like Datel out of business these production factories that call themselves game developers wouldn't have to spend so much to make games. The sad thing is it's ended up on the gamer and we have what we do here.

So not only has this gen been a huge money pit, it's also Microsoft's fault.

Honestly I think the ps3 has had 3 or 4 exclusive games i really enjoyed. It's hardware is nicer and its capable of more but what's the point if it's not being taken advantage of. The dreaded P-Word. The multiplats suck because developers develop for the pc first and it's cheaper and money or in this case M$ talks.. Seriously the ps3 even 4 years after release costs aproximately $600 for the system(299) and 4 games(240) and whatever else you need like an extra controller.. For a system where it's not being taken advantage of and it's exclusive games are limited that's a lot.

Most of Sony's struggles are related to MS getting a headstart and entering the console market in general last gen. They've taken PC gaming with them. PC games aren't released with online play anymore. You have to pay for everything and pay microsoft for everything. You have to pay for xbox live if you want to play games online. They cut Datel out who sold cheaper memory units. They make you agree to their terms of service if you put any parts in your xbox that cost less and don't pay microsoft 3 times the price they ban you. Multiplats do run better. The assortment of games is a bit better, although the quality isn't. How many 1st person shooters nad dumbed down games do you need i guess.

PC gaming read above. PC gamers have continually gotten the shaft this gen for the reasons stated. MS wants people on a console so they can control you and your brain and your wallet.

Nintendo. Ok nintendo cleaned up. They were the only people smart enough to release a consoel reasonably priced that doesnt bleed into your wallet and made loads of money. REason they won is because they did. The only problem here is it's NINTENDO and unless you are an 8 year old or not really a gamer who cares.

The thing is these companies cry bloody murder and say games cost so much because they cost so much to make. Maybe if everyoen wasnt so greedy and didn't buy up licenses and want their two cents, and put companies like Datel out of business these production factories that call themselves game developers wouldn't have to spend so much to make games. The sad thing is it's ended up on the gamer and we have what we do here.

So not only has this gen been a huge money pit, it's also Microsoft's fault.

piercetruth34

Irregardless I think this gen has been all fluff and marketing and lacking variety and substance. Any rational person can see that.

I'm a PC gamer and this is the best gen yet.

Lots of games making there way to the PC that would never have in previous gen, like Capcom games.

And what the hell are you on about PC games don't come with online play? And you have to pay? Errrr no....

The games look great, they sound great, they play great, ofc its the best gen.

As far as PC gamming it has been a little weak, the best PC games ive played this gen have been indie games, which i really enjoyed. All the spotlight is on consoles currently, but PC is still getting a great share of games.

Its my favorite gen so far.

Irregardless I think this gen has been all fluff and marketing and lacking variety and substance. Any rational person can see that.

piercetruth34

+1.

There've been some real gems (Mass Effect 1 & 2, Super Mario Galaxy, Rock Band 1, 2, Beatles to name a few), but you're right, it's been all flash and no substance.

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

Irregardless I think this gen has been all fluff and marketing and lacking variety and substance. Any rational person can see that.

svetzenlether

+1.

There've been some real gems (Mass Effect 1 & 2, Super Mario Galaxy, Rock Band 1, 2, Beatles to name a few), but you're right, it's been all flash and no substance.

yeah it hasn't been all bad. But when i can count the games on one hand that i really enjoyed over an entire gen, that's not good. Oblivion, ME, GTAIV, MLB The Show highlight this gen for me..... Heavy Rain looks cool.

Irregardless I think this gen has been all fluff and marketing and lacking variety and substance. Any rational person can see that.

piercetruth34

No this gen has been great. You have to have lived through more than one-and-a-half console generations to accurately compare this generation to anything. I think a lot of people saying "this gen sucks!" only have the PS2/GC/Xbox gen as a frame of reference. Hahadouken

i've been gaming since the commodore 64 and have been very much a part of each gen.

this is every system i've owned

c-64/128

amiga 500/1000

pc xt/286/386/pentium 1/pentium 2/amd/etc, etc, etc. i've had a pc since the beginnign of time

nintendo 8-bit

sega genesis

ps1

3do

ps2

xbox

360

ps3-for a short time....

So I guess i can compare gens????? I also managed a babbages for like 8 years all through highschool and college and played every other console known to man. Those are jus tthe ones i purchased and owned myself. As you can see I've been smart in my choices.

I'm a PC gamer and this is the best gen yet.

Lots of games making there way to the PC that would never have in previous gen, like Capcom games.

And what the hell are you on about PC games don't come with online play? And you have to pay? Errrr no....

The games look great, they sound great, they play great, ofc its the best gen.

Snagal123

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

I'm a PC gamer and this is the best gen yet.

Lots of games making there way to the PC that would never have in previous gen, like Capcom games.

And what the hell are you on about PC games don't come with online play? And you have to pay? Errrr no....

The games look great, they sound great, they play great, ofc its the best gen.

SakusEnvoy

Exactly, i get almost every game worth having.

While there is less PC exclusives thats true, there is enough to satisfy me, like the Total War series, Sins of a Solar Empire, The Witcher, Dawn of War 2 etc.

Imo some of the best games this gen have been multiplats anyway, like Batman, and the best way to play multiplats is on the PC :D

So take the stick out of your butt and come back to reality? It is a word. You just can't accept it. That's the difference is I'm living in reality and you aren't. You have 50 games you can't live without.

piercetruth34

What is that supposed to be, an insult? So what if I have 50 games I can't live without? You do realize that's a figure of speech, don't you?

PC gaming read above. PC gamers have continually gotten the shaft this gen for the reasons stated.

piercetruth34

Console gaming is getting the shaft, or haven't you noticed that developers are making exclusive games for PC and treating consoles like a cross platform dumping ground?

It's probably the massive effort on Sony's/Microsoft's part to suppliment their line-up. People are distracted by self funded, over marketed blockbusters and think console gaming is doing better. The reality is developers are choosing of their own free will to bring well over a hundred exclusive games to PC; while consoles haven't even got 50.

360: 33

PS3: 32

PC: 165

This is from GameSpot's 7-10 review range for exclusive games this generation, consoles do not compare.

They only have themselves to blame, they forgot they are a 'good enough' mainstream gaming machine. They made costs skyrocket by trying to push technology and look at what it has gotten them, almost total abandonment of 3rd party exclusivity on the consoles side. Their response to this? To spend 10s of millions on exclusive games, giving console gamers greater expectations that will only drive costs up higher.

What a joke, they are hurting themselves.

This has resulted in PC, Wii and handheld gaming systems becoming a sanctuary for 3rd party developers escaping the ridiculous budget requirements 360/PS3 have created.

I really don't see how anyone who owns something other than just a lonely Wii could say there has been a "drought" this gen.

I literally don't have time to play all my games. Do not. I am playing Mass Effect 2 right now. Heavy Rain comes out tomorrow and I have a dozen games I haven't finished. Then it's Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Then it's Final Fantasy 13, followed by God of War 3. This is the OFF-SEASON. Christmas is over. I've barely touched awesome stuff like Borderlands because I have so many other games to get through.

I had well over 300 PS2 games and I think this gen is entirely comparable, especially if you own more than one platform. "The sky is falling" gamer who claims the industry is effed is always quite humorous to me. Maybe your tastes are just changing. Maybe general gamers tastes are changing, and a lot of tedious crap from previous gens has been eliminated.

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]So take the stick out of your butt and come back to reality? It is a word. You just can't accept it. That's the difference is I'm living in reality and you aren't. You have 50 games you can't live without.

Hahadouken

What is that supposed to be, an insult? So what if I have 50 games I can't live without? You do realize that's a figure of speech, don't you?

I really don't see how anyone who owns something other than just a lonely Wii could say there has been a "drought" this gen.

I literally don't have time to play all my games. Do not. I am playing Mass Effect 2 right now. Heavy Rain comes out tomorrow and I have a dozen games I haven't finished. Then it's Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Then it's Final Fantasy 13, followed by God of War 3. This is the OFF-SEASON. Christmas is over. I've barely touched awesome stuff like Borderlands because I have so many other games to get through.

I had well over 300 PS2 games and I think this gen is entirely comparable, especially if you own more than one platform. "The sky is falling" gamer who claims the industry is effed is always quite humorous to me. Maybe your tastes are just changing. Maybe general gamers tastes are changing, and a lot of tedious crap from previous gens has been eliminated.

Hahadouken

Or maybe their tastes AREN'T changing, maybe that's the problem. If you're the kind of gamer who can adapt to every new generation and the unique things each has to offer, you'll be more than satisfied; if, on the other hand, you got used to the last few generations and want to see more of what those generations had to offer, I could understand how this generation would leave you dissatisfied.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]So take the stick out of your butt and come back to reality? It is a word. You just can't accept it. That's the difference is I'm living in reality and you aren't. You have 50 games you can't live without.

jalexbrown

What is that supposed to be, an insult? So what if I have 50 games I can't live without? You do realize that's a figure of speech, don't you?

I thought what I said was pretty funny. Seems like you are a bit touchy if you ask me. It has nothing to do with adapting to a gen. Nor does it have to do with someone who hasn't experienced other gens. Have you said anything that has any basis to it yet?

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]

I really don't see how anyone who owns something other than just a lonely Wii could say there has been a "drought" this gen.

I literally don't have time to play all my games. Do not. I am playing Mass Effect 2 right now. Heavy Rain comes out tomorrow and I have a dozen games I haven't finished. Then it's Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Then it's Final Fantasy 13, followed by God of War 3. This is the OFF-SEASON. Christmas is over. I've barely touched awesome stuff like Borderlands because I have so many other games to get through.

I had well over 300 PS2 games and I think this gen is entirely comparable, especially if you own more than one platform. "The sky is falling" gamer who claims the industry is effed is always quite humorous to me. Maybe your tastes are just changing. Maybe general gamers tastes are changing, and a lot of tedious crap from previous gens has been eliminated.

jalexbrown

Or maybe their tastes AREN'T changing, maybe that's the problem. If you're the kind of gamer who can adapt to every new generation and the unique things each has to offer, you'll be more than satisfied; if, on the other hand, you got used to the last few generations and want to see more of what those generations had to offer, I could understand how this generation would leave you dissatisfied.

Very good point. Thats sort of what I meant but I phrased it all ass-backwards (still hungover and drained from the weekend).

Final Fantasy 7, at the time, was arguably the best game of all time... now, not so much. Standards change, and for the most part, they change to respond to gamers tastes and trends and make them more intuitive and fun to play. Clunky, awkward, turn-based combat (not Final 7, just speaking in generalities) might have been fun 15 years ago, but now we know there is a better way.

Very good point. Thats sort of what I meant but I phrased it all ass-backwards (still hungover and drained from the weekend).

Final Fantasy 7, at the time, was arguably the best game of all time... now, not so much. Standards change, and for the most part, they change to respond to gamers tastes and trends and make them more intuitive and fun to play. Clunky, awkward, turn-based combat (not Final 7, just speaking in generalities) might have been fun 15 years ago, but now we know there is a better way.

Hahadouken

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]

I really don't see how anyone who owns something other than just a lonely Wii could say there has been a "drought" this gen.

I literally don't have time to play all my games. Do not. I am playing Mass Effect 2 right now. Heavy Rain comes out tomorrow and I have a dozen games I haven't finished. Then it's Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Then it's Final Fantasy 13, followed by God of War 3. This is the OFF-SEASON. Christmas is over. I've barely touched awesome stuff like Borderlands because I have so many other games to get through.

I had well over 300 PS2 games and I think this gen is entirely comparable, especially if you own more than one platform. "The sky is falling" gamer who claims the industry is effed is always quite humorous to me. Maybe your tastes are just changing. Maybe general gamers tastes are changing, and a lot of tedious crap from previous gens has been eliminated.

Hahadouken

Or maybe their tastes AREN'T changing, maybe that's the problem. If you're the kind of gamer who can adapt to every new generation and the unique things each has to offer, you'll be more than satisfied; if, on the other hand, you got used to the last few generations and want to see more of what those generations had to offer, I could understand how this generation would leave you dissatisfied.

Very good point. Thats sort of what I meant but I phrased it all ass-backwards (still hungover and drained from the weekend).

Final Fantasy 7, at the time, was arguably the best game of all time... now, not so much. Standards change, and for the most part, they change to respond to gamers tastes and trends and make them more intuitive and fun to play. Clunky, awkward, turn-based combat (not Final 7, just speaking in generalities) might have been fun 15 years ago, but now we know there is a better way.

I have no issue with innovation in gaming. The problem is there isn't the innovation going on that you speak of. GAme developers have forgotten how to make games. Graphics pushing and ease of use doesn't always equal good gaming. A bad game is a bad game. It doesn't have to be difficult to be good. You can have great controls and intuitive controls and make creative games. The problem is that isn't being done the way it could be. When you end up with how many shooters do we have these days? That's not innovation. Game developers these days aren't even developers any more. They are graphic artists. You end up selling how many million copies of COD, while other games aren't even being looked at.

I thought what I said was pretty funny.

piercetruth34

Check out "Shameless" by Louis CK.

Seems like you are a bit touchy if you ask me. It has nothing to do with adapting to a gen. Nor does it have to do with someone who hasn't experienced other gens. Have you said anything that has any basis to it yet?

piercetruth34

I made the comment about previous gens, not him.

So tell us, what's this gen lacking? How would you fix it?

I have no issue with innovation in gaming. The problem is there isn't the innovation going on that you speak of. GAme developers have forgotten how to make games. Graphics pushing and ease of use doesn't always equal good gaming. A bad game is a bad game. It doesn't have to be difficult to be good. You can have great controls and intuitive controls and make creative games. The problem is that isn't being done the way it could be. When you end up with how many shooters do we have these days? That's not innovation. Game developers these days aren't even developers any more. They are graphic artists. You end up selling how many million copies of COD, while other games aren't even being looked at.

piercetruth34

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

I have no issue with innovation in gaming. The problem is there isn't the innovation going on that you speak of. GAme developers have forgotten how to make games. Graphics pushing and ease of use doesn't always equal good gaming. A bad game is a bad game. It doesn't have to be difficult to be good. You can have great controls and intuitive controls and make creative games. The problem is that isn't being done the way it could be. When you end up with how many shooters do we have these days? That's not innovation. Game developers these days aren't even developers any more. They are graphic artists. You end up selling how many million copies of COD, while other games aren't even being looked at.

jalexbrown

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

I have no issue with innovation in gaming. The problem is there isn't the innovation going on that you speak of. GAme developers have forgotten how to make games. Graphics pushing and ease of use doesn't always equal good gaming. A bad game is a bad game. It doesn't have to be difficult to be good. You can have great controls and intuitive controls and make creative games. The problem is that isn't being done the way it could be. When you end up with how many shooters do we have these days? That's not innovation. Game developers these days aren't even developers any more. They are graphic artists. You end up selling how many million copies of COD, while other games aren't even being looked at.

jalexbrown

I didn't fault them for that. I realize it's a problem. But someone has to take responsibility ultimately or it's just going to end up with a bunch of people doing the same things over and over. Which we aren't that far from. You are right. Companies aren't willing to take chances, because games cost an extraordinary amount to make. Why is EA going to back a game like ME2 and put the production values through the roof unless it's going to sell to a huge audience and sell millions of copies. I understand that. The issue is there are games that can be made that aren't even being looked at. That will sell that aren't being looked at. On top of that independant developers are screwed because the costs of this stuff is ridiculous these days. Independant developers can't make games because they don't have the backing or the resources. Why even try? You end up with what we have....

My issue is I think it's going to end up on the gamers themselves, when the average person isn't going to go out of their way to play a game that is meant to be fun. There really is no reason why the average consumer should have to go through that much trouble just to play a game. Prices are already ridiculous and consumer choice is limited as it is.

The problem imo is licensing and the overhead that these games are costing to make. EA for example chooses to release their sports games every year and buys up licenses so no other games can be made. They make the most money releasing a game every year. That doesn't say much for the quality of their games or progression or innovation as you put it though...... But yeah it's good for EA. Madden Football has been the same basic game for the past 20 years man. How about not releasing the game every year and changing it up? How about not buying the license so no other company can make a football game? that's really good for innovation. How about making licensing illegal and blocking 3rd party support illegal. Which these companies do do, whether you want to believe it or not.

It has nothing to do with adjusting like you put it trying to sound all smart. Like I'm the idiot who can't adjust. I've been playing the same madden football game for the past 20 years. Are there other games i can try? Because i'd love to. I'd love to try new things. Unfortunately i can't because MAdden football is the only football game on the market and is the same game that was released 20 years ago. I'm using that as just one example, because a lot of franchises are the same thing.

Honestly I think the ps3 has had 3 or 4 exclusive games i really enjoyed. It's hardware is nicer and its capable of more but what's the point if it's not being taken advantage of. The dreaded P-Word. The multiplats suck because developers develop for the pc first and it's cheaper and money or in this case M$ talks.. Seriously the ps3 even 4 years after release costs aproximately $600 for the system(299) and 4 games(240) and whatever else you need like an extra controller.. For a system where it's not being taken advantage of and it's exclusive games are limited that's a lot.

Most of Sony's struggles are related to MS getting a headstart and entering the console market in general last gen. They've taken PC gaming with them. PC games aren't released with online play anymore. You have to pay for everything and pay microsoft for everything. You have to pay for xbox live if you want to play games online. They cut Datel out who sold cheaper memory units. They make you agree to their terms of service if you put any parts in your xbox that cost less and don't pay microsoft 3 times the price they ban you. Multiplats do run better. The assortment of games is a bit better, although the quality isn't. How many 1st person shooters nad dumbed down games do you need i guess.

PC gaming read above. PC gamers have continually gotten the shaft this gen for the reasons stated. MS wants people on a console so they can control you and your brain and your wallet.

Nintendo. Ok nintendo cleaned up. They were the only people smart enough to release a consoel reasonably priced that doesnt bleed into your wallet and made loads of money. REason they won is because they did. The only problem here is it's NINTENDO and unless you are an 8 year old or not really a gamer who cares.

The thing is these companies cry bloody murder and say games cost so much because they cost so much to make. Maybe if everyoen wasnt so greedy and didn't buy up licenses and want their two cents and sue everyone else, and put companies like Datel out of business these production factories that call themselves game developers wouldn't have to spend so much to make games. The sad thing is it's ended up on the gamer and we have what we do here.

So not only has this gen been a huge money pit, it's also Microsoft's fault.

piercetruth34

Being a PC / PS3 gamer i feel M$ has ruined ta big portion of the Pc gaming market (yes there is still some great games that come out and indie titles, but not like last gen, especially for pc rpgs and turnbased straegy) It got so bad that I had to buy a console, the first time since the ps1 have i owned a console. Well I am having a blast with Sony's console, I forgot how fun their consoles are. (just like the ps1 was a blast!) But m$ needs to stop stealing pc devs. I love pc gaming first and foremost. Stalker, the witcher , Sins of the solar empire are great pc exclusives, but not many more have been made. It seems m$ has made all North American developers work on 360 games and not pc. MEanwhille at least Europe still has a strong PC market but they aren't enough! There needs to be more hard core pc games.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

I have no issue with innovation in gaming. The problem is there isn't the innovation going on that you speak of. GAme developers have forgotten how to make games. Graphics pushing and ease of use doesn't always equal good gaming. A bad game is a bad game. It doesn't have to be difficult to be good. You can have great controls and intuitive controls and make creative games. The problem is that isn't being done the way it could be. When you end up with how many shooters do we have these days? That's not innovation. Game developers these days aren't even developers any more. They are graphic artists. You end up selling how many million copies of COD, while other games aren't even being looked at.

Hahadouken

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

I'm a PC gamer and this is the best gen yet.

Lots of games making there way to the PC that would never have in previous gen, like Capcom games.

And what the hell are you on about PC games don't come with online play? And you have to pay? Errrr no....

The games look great, they sound great, they play great, ofc its the best gen.

SakusEnvoy

I am highly satisfied with the console games i play on ps3, and the few pc exclusives i got this gen (stalker , witcher , sins, etc..) but they are few and far between compared to last gen. Look at Epic games, Unreal Tornament 2004 was a blast and a pc only shooter like the series always has been. This gen they create a console shooter that didn't even have a server browser or graphic tweaks. The menus were console ui, the models were gears of war models slapped in the game. Less maps,, less characters, less mods, all the graphics were done with too much shders and low res textures. A complet opposite of Ut2004 and it frankly sucked! PC gamers didn't like it and I don't like it. It was a game that pc gamers were waiting years for, only to find out at release that it was delayed so they could make it for next gen consoles istead. Damn sellouts.

Its alright. Last gen was much better imo. There is just too little variety in games now. Most hyped up games today seem to all be like the same thing. Last gen it was tough to come by 2 games that were the same lol. Devs took more risks, And the consoles... WERE ACTUALLY DIFFERENT.. There were more compelling reasons to buy each of the consoles last gen than this one. The ps3 and 360 are just faaar to familiar and lack a certain "console" feel.