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#51 Pedro
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@Juub1990 said:

I know you're trolling but the game runs like crap on any hardware configuration. Consoles have it pretty bad as they appear to be using medium-low settings. Despite that they still drop to the low 20's. The Xbox One X version has the highest resolution at 1440p. PS4 Pro only 1080p and the base consoles 900p.

The game is poorly done so not much we can do about it but attempt to smooth things which is feasible on PC but not on consoles. If there's anything worse than low frame rates it's jittery frame rates.

Trolling? I didn't know that seeing the irony in this thread is trolling. But I know its the new thing that if anyone challenges an opinion its trolling. Rather juvenile, but what can we do? Getting back to the point, when games are adjusted for the best performance by developers on consoles through compromises a certain set of PC gamers (you maybe one of them) rag on these systems. But the same is done for PCs its OK. The reality is that when you game on either consoles or PCs, the game HAS TO BE ADJUSTED for the hardware, whether its done by the user (PCs) or the developer (PCs and Consoles). So yeah, this thread is hilarious.

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#52  Edited By Juub1990
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@Pedro said:

Trolling? I didn't know that seeing the irony in this thread is trolling. But I know its the new thing that if anyone challenges an opinion its trolling. Rather juvenile, but what can we do? Getting back to the point, when games are adjusted for the best performance by developers on consoles through compromises a certain set of PC gamers (you maybe one of them) rag on these systems. But the same is done for PCs its OK. The reality is that when you game on either consoles or PCs, the game HAS TO BE ADJUSTED for the hardware, whether its done by the user (PCs) or the developer (PCs and Consoles). So yeah, this thread is hilarious.

Because the problem in this particular case is developer's incompetence? Or did that just go over your head because again, you're trying to antagonize people to the best of your abilities?

And PC gamers laugh at consoles because the developers make the compromises for you. On PC you get to choose what you want to sacrifice.

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#53 Pedro
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Because the problem in this particular case is developer's incompetence? Or did that just go over your head because again, you're trying to antagonize people to the best of your abilities?

And PC gamers laugh at consoles because the developers make the compromises for you. On PC you get to choose what you want to sacrifice.

The developers competence is irrelevant, the fact is compromises has to made for any game that performance less then stellar on any given hardware. Which was the point I made. Did that go over your head again?

"PC gamers laugh at consoles". No! Fools laugh at consoles because they are new to PC gaming. :)

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#54  Edited By Juub1990
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@Pedro said:

The developers competence is irrelevant, the fact is compromises has to made for any game that performance less then stellar on any given hardware. Which was the point I made. Did that go over your head again?

"PC gamers laugh at consoles". No! Fools laugh at consoles because they are new to PC gaming. :)

"The developers incompetence is irrelevant"

Literally the entire premise of this thread rests on the fact the developer is incompetent.

Furthermore, even beefy PC's have to make compromises and it's always been the case and will always be. Difference is on PC you get to choose what you want to compromise. On consoles it's pretty much always frame rate at the expense of resolution.

Anyway I'm done entertaining your trollish behavior. You can just piss off as you aren't even interested in discussing but on getting a rise out of people. Go do that elsewhere and GTFO of my thread.

But I know its the new thing that if anyone challenges an opinion its trolling.

What's the opinion you're challenging? You're not even challenging an opinion. You're being willfully ignorant over something to annoy people.

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#55 Pedro
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@Juub1990 said:

"The developers incompetence is irrelevant"

Literally the entire premise of this thread rests on the fact the developer is incompetent.

Furthermore, even beefy PC's have to make compromises and it's always been the case and will always be. Difference is on PC you get to choose what you want to compromise. On consoles it's pretty much always frame rate at the expense of resolution. I'm done entertaining your trollish behavior. You can just piss off as you aren't even interested in discussing but on getting a rise out of people. Go do that elsewhere and GTFO of my thread.

Last I checked this was your title "Capping frame rate on PC is godsend"

And the compromises that were needed for better performance. Compromises! That was the irony which I pointed out and you are missing for some strange reason. When compromises are made for consoles you and your other cronies have a field day but now when this game runs like shit on your your overpriced hardware you are now making excuses and trying to justify why compromises is a good thing on PCs soley because the user can make the compromise and not the developer. This thread remains and awesome contradictory.

"Furthermore, even beefy PC's have to make compromises and it's always been the case and will always be."

I will have to remember this quote for future reference. BTW, public forum and you need to chill when the truth is being exposed.

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#56 Juub1990
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@Pedro

I read nothing of that. Can you leave my thread please?

Thank you.

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#57 Johnny-n-Roger
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@Pedro: Ability to compromise how you see fit > being forced to compromise #dealwithit

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#58  Edited By Pedro
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@Juub1990

Stop being agitated.

@Johnny-n-Roger said:

@Pedro: Ability to compromise how you see fit > being forced to compromise #dealwithit

Both are compromises and both are options are available to the consumer. The gamer chooses the type of compromise setup they want. #dealwithit.

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@Juub1990 said:
@Pedro said:

Trolling? I didn't know that seeing the irony in this thread is trolling. But I know its the new thing that if anyone challenges an opinion its trolling. Rather juvenile, but what can we do? Getting back to the point, when games are adjusted for the best performance by developers on consoles through compromises a certain set of PC gamers (you maybe one of them) rag on these systems. But the same is done for PCs its OK. The reality is that when you game on either consoles or PCs, the game HAS TO BE ADJUSTED for the hardware, whether its done by the user (PCs) or the developer (PCs and Consoles). So yeah, this thread is hilarious.

Because the problem in this particular case is developer's incompetence? Or did that just go over your head because again, you're trying to antagonize people to the best of your abilities?

And PC gamers laugh at consoles because the developers make the compromises for you. On PC you get to choose what you want to sacrifice.

I honestly don't think it was down to incompetence or laziness, I think it was down to them spreading too thin and taking on too much work, without giving themselves the time needed to actually complete the work properly. Had they been self publishing, they could have delayed or at least focused more on the game for PC, instead they took the console devil's shilling and got stuck with a fixed release date. Or as I said earlier it could have been down to them needing to get the game out as funding was running out.

This is Warhorse's Witcher, that game was a mess on release, The Witcher 2 was better and The Witcher 3 is a masterpiece. People were expecting The Witcher 3 and got The Witcher instead. The PC community will fix the issues faster than the developer will, consoles will just have to wait.

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#60 Johnny-n-Roger
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@Pedro: compromises on consoles aren't optional. You play with a default preset or at best have a "performance" preset. You don't get custom effects or fps. Consoles are the superior option for people that are easily confused or overwhelmed when making decisions.

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#61 Juub1990
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@GarGx1 said:

I honestly don't think it was down to incompetence or laziness, I think it was down to them spreading too thin and taking on too much work, without giving themselves the time needed to actually complete the work properly. Had they been self publishing, they could have delayed or at least focused more on the game for PC, instead they took the console devil's shilling and got stuck with a fixed release date. Or as I said earlier it could have been down to them needing to get the game out as funding was running out.

This is Warhorse's Witcher, that game was a mess on release, The Witcher 2 was better and The Witcher 3 is a masterpiece. People were expecting The Witcher 3 and got The Witcher instead. The PC community will fix the issues faster than the developer will, consoles will just have to wait.

Laziness no. Incompetence yes. You said it yourself, they bit more than they could chew and couldn't take such a hefty workload. Part of being competent is to know your limits. They didn't and the end result is a product that performs shoddily.

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#62 Pedro
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@Johnny-n-Roger said:

@Pedro: compromises on consoles aren't optional. You play with a default preset or at best have a "performance" preset. You don't get custom effects or fps. Consoles are the superior option for people that are easily confused or overwhelmed when making decisions.

What are you talking about? Your last statement is so sad you don't even realize how sad it is. LOL.

Luckily you are not a representative of PC gamers. :)

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#63  Edited By Johnny-n-Roger
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@Pedro: well I understand that everyone isn't as tech savvy as the rest of us. Just because someone isn't tech savvy or maybe even because they're intellectually challenged doesn't mean they can't enjoy games. Consoles aren't all bad. Console manufacturers do the thinking for people who can't be bothered.

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#64 Jag85
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Consistent frame-rates are almost always better than inconsistent frame-rates (unless the consistent frame-rates are too low).

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#65 deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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Best thing about the X is that until then PC gamers were kind of the silent participants in the system wars. Now they're just in full moronic mode. Kinda makes this place more entertaining.

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#66  Edited By Johnny-n-Roger
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@phbz said:

Best thing about the X is that until then PC gamers were kind of the silent participants in the system wars. Now they're just in full moronic mode. Kinda makes this place more entertaining.

Now all the lemmings are like "4k graphics, it's like a high end PC". And we all cringe.

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#67  Edited By deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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@Johnny-n-Roger: Ye, I know, this is the first time ever console gamers claim stuff like that.

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#68  Edited By Zaryia
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@phbz said:

Best thing about the X is that until then PC gamers were kind of the silent participants in the system wars. Now they're just in full moronic mode. Kinda makes this place more entertaining.

Do you mean the X1X? Because PC gamers have been vocal here for years and you're objectively wrong.

Or Do you mean just XBOX brand in general? So you're saying PC gamers have been full moron mode here for over 10 years?

Also, what exactly have they been moronic about? Having the best system every gen? That doesn't seem very moronic to me.

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I've got this game on my backburner for the moment; installed, but not actively playing more than a couple hours per week.

For what it is worth, I have a Intel i7-4790, 16 GB memory, and a Nvidia 980 video card. Installed on an SSD. Game runs reasonable well about 80% of the time but then it just dips down. I've got it on high for the most part, turned off a few bells and whistles.

The thing that really gets me is the bugs, and weird shit. Clipping, AI issues, pathfinding, etc.. They clearly out a lot of work and a lot of neat ideas into the game, but just lacked the talent to execute it well. I think it will suffer from No Man's Sky syndrome; it has burned a lot of people early on, but eventually it will be a great game. I still think there is a diamond in the rough. Honestly if they just gave us a quicksave feature I'd be playing it more, bugs or not lol.

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#70  Edited By deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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@zaryia: Nah, you're wrong. Usually there's a Cow saying how their latest game looks better than every game ever made and then on the same thread PC gamers "reason" why that's not true. Now since the Xbox X, we have topics from PC gamers explaining why 4k is only valid if it's at least 60fps, why it's a godsend being able to cap games at 30fps, why console gamers are just poor people, why it's not even worth to play a game if it's less than 60fps, and so on.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that PC gamers are worst than the rest. Just saying they are now on the same moronic level as the rest. Maybe excluding Nintendo fanboys, history made them more humble.

And yes, PC is potentially the best system specially as developers now care more about PC ports and you guys don't even have to make that many petitions. But it's also potentially the worst system, depending how much money you put into it.

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@quadknight: You take one game one I don't play and claim i'm gettng rekt LOL, get some better material quick quack as you're tanking hard.

@Juub1990 said:
@i_p_daily said:

@Juub1990: Knock yourself out, i need a good laugh.

@creepywelps: Nope i mean 30.

So you're here to troll. Move along then.

No, it seems you're the one here to troll, because you've been banging on (like all laster race guys) that 60 is the be all an end all, and here we are talking how 43-39 is less jarring, and yet my comment is somehow dumb and you were going to show me why and all I get is this.

#60fpsorbust :P

@davillain- said:

@creepywelps: I P Daily is trolling. Nothing to see here.

@davillain- said:

Between 60fp-55fps is fine for me depending on the game, but constantly hitting 50fps below, then I have a problem here.

No trolling from me, but you're GOTY was a 30fps game and yet here you are lying your arse off because you flop all over the place.

So HZD is an open world game and is fine at 30 and yet this game is also open world and dips below 50 and is somehow a problem, its no wonder we call you a cow in the closet.

You are one of the worst type of gamers here because you lie to kick it and hide your allegiance and think people can't see it.

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#72  Edited By QuadKnight
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^ ^ What an epic meltdown lol.

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@Pedro said:

This is the apologist thread for shitty framerates on PC after all the complaining about framerates on weaker hardware you have a game that runs like shit on much stronger hardware but its OK to dial down the settings to improve the performance. The only time that's not acceptable is for consoles right? LMAO.

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#74  Edited By scatteh316
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I remember back in the day I used to cap Crysis 1 at 30fps to get the frame rate smooth and consistent.... worked like a charm and allowed me to get a flawless frame time delivery no matter what was happening on the screen.

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@quadknight: Like I said new material.

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@i_p_daily: You do know that Horizon Zero Dawn is 30fps locked right? Granted, despite I maybe a PC gamer, I'm a gamer first and foremost but I do believe both BassMan & Juub told you both of them are also gamers as well. Having said that, I still stand HZD is my GOTY and I had fun with the game itself thank you! Giving the fact HZD can only be played on a Sony console, can't play it on PC but however, as long as a console exclusive framerates stays locked 30fps without dips, that's fine for a console game exclusive.

I get that you have issues with PC gamers bragging about framerates but the truth is, they aren't wrong. 60fps is the be all end and I stand by that. Who am I'm kidding, you're here to troll. Move along, move along-_-

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#77  Edited By Juub1990
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@i_p_daily said:

@quadknight: You take one game one I don't play and claim i'm gettng rekt LOL, get some better material quick quack as you're tanking hard.

No, it seems you're the one here to troll, because you've been banging on (like all laster race guys) that 60 is the be all an end all, and here we are talking how 43-39 is less jarring, and yet my comment is somehow dumb and you were going to show me why and all I get is this.

No because you're just being ignorant to troll. @BassMan and I already explained you that 30fps is less than ideal but that we're first and foremost gamers(before even being specifically PC gamers) and that we'd begrudgingly take a game at 30fps if we had no choice. I made it quite clear in the OP that playing this game at 60fps is NOT possible because there are frame rate drops all over the place and if there is one thing worse than low fps, it's uneven, jittery frame rates. 45-39 is much better than 60-39 because there are less variations and more even frame times resulting in a smoother experience.

60fps is ideal but in this case it's out of the question and since we're gamers before anything else, before even 60fps then if we have no options, we'll settle for 30. PC gaming being pretty damn open and customizable allows us to hit a target frame rate still short of 60 but significantly higher than 30 which is a great thing. I wish I could simply bump up and cap the frame rate to whatever I want on console instead of being force-fed 30fps.

That was made very obvious in the OP but since you needed a good laugh and decided to be a troll not unlike your friend @Pedro, you simply ignored everything. The premise of the OP and the fact that being able to control the experience to your liking even if the developer did a botched job is something great. This is why capping the frame rate godsend.

Not that I expect you to even understand any of this.

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#78 Zaryia
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oh wow a lot of people ITT trying to justify their 20-30 fps in most games.

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#79  Edited By m3Boarder32
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Wait wait wait.

Your capping frame rates to 45 FPS on a non GSync/Freesync 4K Display?

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#80 m3Boarder32
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@m3Boarder32 said:

Wait wait wait.

Your capping frame rates to 45 FPS on a non GSync/Freesync 4K Display?

Oh wow you are.

just cap that shit to 30 FPS and avoid the disgusting screen tearing.

that‘s why there’s no in between 30-60 for consoles, devs don’t want screen tearing.

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#81 TryIt
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why do people even know about this game?

I mean who is covering it such that 'the masses' even know about it?

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#82 Juub1990
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@m3Boarder32: I don’t have any screen tearing.

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#83 m3Boarder32
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@Juub1990 said:

@m3Boarder32: I don’t have any screen tearing.

Of course, how convenient

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#84 Juub1990
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@m3Boarder32: It doesn’t so I have no idea wtf you’re talking about.

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#85 m3Boarder32
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Lol